Need to know your opinions!

MalcolmP · Oct 12, 2022

Hi All
Hope you are safe and Blessed wherever you are! Quick question requiring your response/opinion. I listen to Our Daily Bread online Devotional as soon as I wake up. I also listen to a full sermon from Grace Ministries online app with John MacArthur. So my question is this : what do you guys think of John and/or Grace Church/Ministries?
Looking forward to sincere and candid replies!

oyster67 · Oct 12, 2022

I don't know as much about John MA as some. I have always thought He sounded sound. I have heard many speak badly about Him and say he advocates works salvation or "Lordship"? But many falsely accuse me of the same thing. I also look forward to hearing from others.

Aaron56 · Oct 12, 2022

Aside from my earlier opinions about him, MacArthur most recently supported Trump, an unapologetic philanderer, for president in the 2020 election.

I can excuse a man for getting doctrine wrong (and MacArthur does often) but not for supporting the basest of men (with video and audio evidence) as a believer's best representative for the executive office. This last act disqualified him from any position of leadership in the church. He's now just a rich man with cameras and microphones who uses the Bible for his own gain, much like Osteen and others.

oyster67 · Oct 12, 2022

Aaron56 said:

The only person men of God should be supporting is Jesus. I thought JM seemed smarter and wiser than that.
I heard that He was given a big part in "creating" the NASB translation.

ResidentAlien · Oct 12, 2022

MalcolmP said:

I don't have much use for him. You might pick up some truth from him; or, you might pick up some lies, he traffics in both: this is the most dangerous kind of false teacher.

Personally I avoid Christian celebrities. It's too easy to fall into the trap of idolatry.

studentoftheword · Oct 12, 2022

Aaron56 said:

How do you know John MacArthur gets doctrine wrong -----can you give an example of your criticism of him preaching wrong doctrine -----so we can check it out for ourselves --instead of taking just your word for it ----just maybe you are the one who believes in wrong doctrine and MacArthur is right ----

ever thought about that ------

Aaron56 · Oct 12, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I already wrote that I didn't hold that against him. The OP asked for opinions. It's in the title of the thread.

Now, about that part where he supported a man with 3 wives, with audio from said man about how he sexually assaults women, for the highest office in the land...

studentoftheword · Oct 12, 2022

Aaron56 said:

LOL --well that make it all true because the man said it in a video ---LOL ---what video --post the video --you stating that the man said is not proof that MacArthur said to the man it was OK for him to have 3 wives ------

Here is this from what John MacArthur said about this subject and he does not condone anyone having 3 wives ----He explains why God may have this ------

Why did God allow polygamy in the Old Testament?
In regards to our weird verse in Leviticus 18:18, John MacArthur explains in his commentary that we should read and understand this verse as a direct prohibition against polygamy. He suggests here in this verse the prohibitions shift slightly. Before they were more focused on incestous relationships, but here Moses shifts to the ideal concept of marriage (first given in the Garden in Genesis 2) which is one man married to one woman (especially while the other person is still alive). Other commentators have also interpreted the Hebrew here for “sister” to mean all Israelite women, not just biological sisters.

So why did God seem to allow this practice and even choose to bless men in the Bible who engaged in polygamous relationships—specifically the patriarchs of the faith like Abraham, Jacob, and David?

The first mention of polygamy in the Bible is very early. It comes in Genesis 4:19-25 as it mentions Lamech, a descendant of Cain, which would be before the flood. Even early on we see a distortion of what God always intended marriage to be. Just two chapters before this, God describes how marriage should be, and just like all things that came after the fall, sin corrupted.

One important fact to point out is that many of the great patriarchs of the faith—like Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob—all came BEFORE the law was given to Moses. Polygamous relationships, especially ones where sisters were taken in marriage by one man, were very common in these ancient cultures. These men, though it doesn’t excuse their choices, were often still learning about God and His ways as they went throughout their life.

Another reason God may have tolerated it at this time was because it was a means to fulfill the command to “be fruitful and multiply.” One man could easily impregnate many women at once, therefore ensuring that the population would grow quickly and people would begin to fill the earth.

What about the patriarchs and great men that came AFTER the law—like Gideon, David, and Solomon? Why did God allow for these men to be honored and used by Him though they practiced polygamy?

The closest verse we have in Scripture that would oppose polygamy is in Deuteronomy 17:17 which was an instruction for the kings who were to rule Israel. It says, “And he shall not acquire many wives for himself, lest his heart turn away, nor shall he acquire for himself excessive silver and gold.” It’s clear here from this verse that King David, and especially Solomon, disobeyed God.

So, while the Bible doesn’t directly prohibit polygamy with a specific verse, we can see all throughout Scripture how polygamy is always painted in a negative light and how it often ends in tragedy or tension.

ResidentAlien · Oct 12, 2022

Magenta · Oct 12, 2022

MalcolmP said:

Hello and good day to you, Malcolm!

I am not a fan of Johnny Mac...though I am not
completely averse to listening to his program if he happens to come on the radio while
I have it on. For many years, he has been a regular teacher on kari55 radio, which is also
available online. I used to listen to that station even while at work (I am now retired

),
and my car radio is dialed into it also

studentoftheword · Oct 12, 2022

MalcolmP said:

I say to you Keep listening to John MacArthur ----I recommend also --- Charles Stanley and Dr David Jeremiah all 3 are Bible Preaching Ministers and are very good to listen to ---

Aaron56 · Oct 12, 2022

studentoftheword said:

I don't think we're on the same page.

But, @MalcolmP , here's a recording of the man MacArthur endorsed for president (**warning: foul language!!)

HealthAndHappiness · Oct 12, 2022

"But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness."

"Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all,"

Romans 4

Malcolm,

John Macarthur is a very eloquent teacher. No doubt about that. I read one of his books and listened to his teaching for a time until I noticed the following. He has a difficult time reconciling these verses and others having to do with the grace of God in regards to salvation. He says it's by grace, then redefines terms and adds works. He can't understand that salvation is either by sinless perfection your entire life OR by grace through the BLOOD atonement of Jesus Christ. He throws out the blood and minimizes His atonement by exalting man's works.

Nobody but Jesus is perfect. Therefore we need Him to save us from hell.

JM will try to combine the two where the Bible clearly defines and separates them.
Macarthur will take that which applies to believers IN the family of God and mistakenly applies those rules as requirements for UNbelievers to be saved. He's very well spoken and hence practiced at this, so it can be hard to recognize.

Pilgrimshope · Oct 12, 2022

MalcolmP said:

I don’t know a ton about him but what I’ve heard from him seems pretty sound again I’ve not heard a whole lot from him.

I personally believe no res chi or is going to be perfect and we need to know that ahead of time so we always check out what they are saying in scripture

if we can always find the Bible telling us the same things it’s a good reason to start trusting a little
More but if we can’t seem to find what they are saying it’s a good reason to be skeptical

we should never trust men but always test the spirits against scripture

there are the one verse theology teachers they you want to avoid but there are a lot of good teachers out there the real teacher is living in you though Jesus wants to teach us

“It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.”
‭‭John‬ ‭6:45‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11:28-30‬

we should always be willing to hear “ teachers “ but we should never blindly trust any teacher and always seek ourselves for understanding to better know Jesus , in prayer and study and practice

when we hear and believe the gospel the teacher is teaching us

“But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:27‬ ‭KJV‬‬

we just as disciples need to follow the lord of people are telling us things that help us do that target are a blessing

if someone’s telling us “ you don’t need to hear and believe in and follow Jesus with all your heart and soul there’s a different way “ they are frankly lying to us

a good teacher will always point the way to Jesus and his word

JohnDB · Oct 12, 2022

John McArthur leans into Calvinism...
Which isn't really my cup of tea. Where Calvinists aren't evil i do disagree with them on their theology...however, they are believers and they do get a LOT of things right. If he brings you joy and happiness then by all means do so. But I just don't.

HealthAndHappiness · Oct 12, 2022

Is salvation from hell and eternal life EASY or HARD?

John Macarthur says it's HARD.
Why?
1. Work is hard.....
Works like cleaning up your life...aka turning from your sins. McA has that belief in agreement with Muslims and Mormons.
2. He ridicules faith. The same word is used a hundred times in the Book of John (the Apostle, not the McArthur) The McA doesn't like that word. He makes salvation HARD.

Jesus made salvation as easy as drinking water and likens it to eating bread, walking through a door. John 3:16, 17, 18
This is Jesus to a religious teacher of a conservative denomination of the Jews, named Nicodemus.
He would have been well known like TV preachers of our day. Jesus says....

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

V This is V
John Macarthur 's Hard plan of Salvation

Jesus did the hard part.
People like us are told by Jesus to do what?

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Have a great day!

CS1 · Oct 12, 2022

MalcolmP said:

Do not follow him; it is not what I think it is. Are you growing and learning? If so, amen.

Polar · Oct 12, 2022

apart from the fact he has accused thousands, possibly millions, of Christians of being demonic because they speak in tongues or agree the gifts are valid, gee, what could be amiss?

no thank you

Lifted_by_the_word · Oct 12, 2022

John McArthur denies the blood on the cross.I'm sure there's youtube videos on it.I actually have a John Mcarthur bible with commentaries on it and he flat out denies the blood.A little bit of leaven leavens the whole lump.He's a wolf.

ResidentAlien · Oct 12, 2022

Lifted_by_the_word said:

MacArthur teaches it wasn't the blood of Christ that atoned for sins but His death alone, but he hasn't really thought this through. It has many problems, not the least of which is Hebrews 9:22, "and without shedding of blood there is no remission."

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