Senate passes same-sex marriage bill with bipartisan support
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Since I taught the subject for more than ten years, why don't you just tell me how survival of the fittest does not suggest that homosexuals would not be a genetically favored trait? Also explain why identical twins separated at birth would not both be homosexual instead of just one.
survival of the fittest, term made famous in the fifth edition (published in 1869) of On the Origin of Species by British naturalist Charles Darwin, which suggested that organisms best adjusted to their environment are the most successful in surviving and reproducing.
survival of the fittest, term made famous in the fifth edition (published in 1869) of On the Origin of Species by British naturalist Charles Darwin, which suggested that organisms best adjusted to their environment are the most successful in surviving and reproducing.
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The LGBT community and unexpected rise in LGBT youth could be linked to the psychological abuse of gender dysphoria groomed onto children. We see this already that many of these kids need therapy as an identity crisis is often the side effects of depression, anger towards themselves, wanting to fit in, and in this increasing age of social seclusion we see teen suicide up as well. There is a lot of trauma in this community and so often it involves physical, mental, verbal, environmental, and sexual harm as a kid.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/epigenetics-abuse/
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/epigenetics-abuse/
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In Mexico if a girl is under 18 she needs parental consent to get married and they do not allow girls younger than 14 to get married.
So I met with a church in West Texas, one woman got married when she was younger than 18 (when I was there she was much older). So you can imagine there can be some real problems. What happens if you are legally married in one country and then you come to another where it is a crime?
Should the police ignore this?
So I met with a church in West Texas, one woman got married when she was younger than 18 (when I was there she was much older). So you can imagine there can be some real problems. What happens if you are legally married in one country and then you come to another where it is a crime?
Should the police ignore this?
Actually more recent than I thought. Tennessee is currently trying to pass it
https://www.actionnews5.com/2022/04/06/proposed-legislation-could-legalize-child-marriage-tennessee/
https://www.actionnews5.com/2022/04/06/proposed-legislation-could-legalize-child-marriage-tennessee/
False, the bill does not allow child marriage. It has been amended.
https://www.verifythis.com/article/...ment/536-499495d4-145e-447f-9fd8-b3c035fa217c
https://www.verifythis.com/article/...ment/536-499495d4-145e-447f-9fd8-b3c035fa217c
(You are engaging in special pleading, a logical fallacy, you are saying marriage is for fertility but you refuse to apply that rule to the infertile showing your position isn't about having children at all.)
My argument has been multiple variables not a single issue that isn't how this works. I never said it was just for fertility. You have to factor everything else in as well. When you do then it is obvious. You have had quite a bit of evidence thrown your way but refuse to see it. Question is what are you defending? Sin? Personal sin?
(false. Same sex marriage accounts for about 5% of all marriages but same ex divorce accounts for about 1.6% of all divorces. Ref UCLA school of law)
Heterosexual- 7.8 and 7.9
Homosexual- 4.1 and 4.3
Obviously, there are more heterosexual marriages.
(a claim without foundation is...basically useless.)
Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers [1-5].
https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/index.htm
Amazing that a biased government source would even admit this.
(Again special pleading)
Nope. Not every situation is the same. Try again.
My argument has been multiple variables not a single issue that isn't how this works. I never said it was just for fertility. You have to factor everything else in as well. When you do then it is obvious. You have had quite a bit of evidence thrown your way but refuse to see it. Question is what are you defending? Sin? Personal sin?
(false. Same sex marriage accounts for about 5% of all marriages but same ex divorce accounts for about 1.6% of all divorces. Ref UCLA school of law)
- The average length of a first marriage that ends up in a divorce for men is 7.8 years. (Wilkinson & Finkbeiner, 2020)
- For women, the average first marriage length that ends up in a divorce is 7.9 years. (Wilkinson & Finkbeiner, 2020)
- Female couples made up 72% of same-sex divorces in 2019. (Marr, 2020)
- the median duration of marriages for female couples is 4.1 years, and 4.3 years for male couples. (Ghosh, 2020)
Heterosexual- 7.8 and 7.9
Homosexual- 4.1 and 4.3
Obviously, there are more heterosexual marriages.
(a claim without foundation is...basically useless.)
Members of the LGBT community are at increased risk for a number of health threats when compared to their heterosexual peers [1-5].
https://www.cdc.gov/lgbthealth/index.htm
Amazing that a biased government source would even admit this.
(Again special pleading)
Nope. Not every situation is the same. Try again.
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Well I already said it but I guess I'll say it again.
In his book The moral landscape, Sam Harris presents the argument that we can reach an objective standard formality based on human well-being
That part of course is subjective because you're always going to have people who don't care about human well-being but if we can agree that human well-being is the goal then there should be things we can agree on that are objectively not conducive to that goal like allowing pedophiles to marry children..
So that's basically secular humanism. If it's not conducive to human well-being then we can conclude that it's an immoral action.. I remember someone asked Penn jillette if he doesn't believe in a God then what stops him for murdering and raping all he wants to. His reply was I do murder and rape all I want to and that amount is zero..
Harris also argues that anyone who doesn't already have an innate understanding that things like cruelty are wrong, is not likely to learn so from Reading scripture
In his book The moral landscape, Sam Harris presents the argument that we can reach an objective standard formality based on human well-being
That part of course is subjective because you're always going to have people who don't care about human well-being but if we can agree that human well-being is the goal then there should be things we can agree on that are objectively not conducive to that goal like allowing pedophiles to marry children..
So that's basically secular humanism. If it's not conducive to human well-being then we can conclude that it's an immoral action.. I remember someone asked Penn jillette if he doesn't believe in a God then what stops him for murdering and raping all he wants to. His reply was I do murder and rape all I want to and that amount is zero..
Harris also argues that anyone who doesn't already have an innate understanding that things like cruelty are wrong, is not likely to learn so from Reading scripture
Well I would think anyone old enough to fight in a war should be old enough to marry because if you got drafted you might want to be married first. Even if you die you might be able to leave offspring behind.
Second, well being has a whole lot to do with how old the husband is when he can get a career. If you can leave HS and get a good career it seems 18 is a fair age for a man to get married (maybe not true in the US but probably true in other countries), also in most countries they expect the man to be older than the wife. So what is most conducive to human well being in Mexico may be different than the US. Likewise, Kenya might be different than India, etc.
Second, well being has a whole lot to do with how old the husband is when he can get a career. If you can leave HS and get a good career it seems 18 is a fair age for a man to get married (maybe not true in the US but probably true in other countries), also in most countries they expect the man to be older than the wife. So what is most conducive to human well being in Mexico may be different than the US. Likewise, Kenya might be different than India, etc.
Pollak's staff recruited those kids and their parents and walked the kids from the lab to a local hospital to get their blood drawn. When they checked each kid's DNA, they saw that, in the children with a history of abuse, NR3C1 was methylated, just as it had been in the rats-in fact, at the very same sites. That, Pollak thought, was remarkable. "It gives us a real window into understanding why people that are abused as children sort of have these lifelong problems."
This is what I was referring to. Not genetically transmitted as possibly a damaged gene from an alcoholic. But the very possibility that by what we experience can harm our genes. This harm can give lifelong problems but with therapy and medication most people can live stable lives. Even Neuroplacisty can have very positive results related to past trauma.
This is what I was referring to. Not genetically transmitted as possibly a damaged gene from an alcoholic. But the very possibility that by what we experience can harm our genes. This harm can give lifelong problems but with therapy and medication most people can live stable lives. Even Neuroplacisty can have very positive results related to past trauma.
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Yes I can see that point but I feel like Harris makes a valid point. Because I feel like a person who needs scriptures to tell him not to murder people is probably just a sociopath on a leash
Do you want to live in a society where a rape and murder goes unpunished? Neither do i.
I see no reason why this can't be a secular value
Do you want to live in a society where a rape and murder goes unpunished? Neither do i.
I see no reason why this can't be a secular value
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What he is referring to is a universal moral law. Who provides a universal transcending moral law? Where do these laws come from? Are they invented? If so why not invent more? Are the discovered? Thomas Jefferson believed so when he said they were self evident. If self evident then they are there from the start and not learned.
Obviously, the Christian is told who authored the moral law and set laws in motion. This truth, is what make me objectively say someone is wrong or right. Then we are also told to obey God rather than men so God's law is higher than man's law. Of course, for the Christian this has meant persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and death.
One day you or people you love may see the results of Christian apathy.
If we say the human mind is the author of morality then you only have opinions as we see humans are very prone to rape or murder, it happens everyday. Human well being is subjective. In survival my well being is to be stronger than the other guy.
Obviously, the Christian is told who authored the moral law and set laws in motion. This truth, is what make me objectively say someone is wrong or right. Then we are also told to obey God rather than men so God's law is higher than man's law. Of course, for the Christian this has meant persecution, beatings, imprisonment, and death.
One day you or people you love may see the results of Christian apathy.
If we say the human mind is the author of morality then you only have opinions as we see humans are very prone to rape or murder, it happens everyday. Human well being is subjective. In survival my well being is to be stronger than the other guy.