Does God desire the salvation of all mankind?

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ForestGreenCook

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If you have not asked Jesus to come into your heart and save your wicked soul, then you are bound for Hell, my friend.

John 3:18
“He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”

Are you insinuating that I do not believe in Jesus, as my Savior?
 

ForestGreenCook

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Jesus states we need faith.

Save= deliver, according to Greek interpretation.

The child of God is delivered many times as he sojourns here in this world.

The reason that you think it is up to you to eternally save (deliver) yourself, is because you are applying all of the salvation (deliverance) scriptures to mean eternal deliverance.

Luke 13:42 - When Jesus healed the blind man, he told him that his faith saved (delivered) him. This is not referring to eternal deliverance.

Eph 2:8- The word "saved" is "that not of ourselves", but is Jesus faithfulness in going to the cross to justify us (Gal 2:16).

2 Tim 3:15 - Paul says Timothy, from his youth has known the scriptures, which was able to make him wise "unto salvation" ( scriptures inform the children of God, how they were delivered eternally on the cross, not how to get eternally delivered) through their faith (belief that they were delivered by Jesus on the cross) which is in Christ Jesus. Eternal deliverance for all of those that his Father gave him was accomplished on the cross, whether they believed it or not.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Jesus states we need faith.

As I said, the faith of God's born again children of God does deliver them many times as they sojourn here on earth, but their faith is not responsible for delivering them eternally.
 

ForestGreenCook

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The problem is that you do believe... in a false doctrine. Tell us once and for all, HAVE YOU INVITED JESUS INTO YOU HEART?

Jesus comes into the heart of a person, when he is quickened together with Christ, by God's sovereign grace to the new spiritual life (Eph 2:1-5)
 

ForestGreenCook

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“If faith is a gift of God, it can be abandoned deliberately at the sole discretion of the apostate. To me, this creates a clear problem for the "faith as a gift" doctrine.”

“So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭10:17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


The indwelling of the Holy Spirit, is a gift of God, which is given in the new spiritual birth. (quickened together with Christ) Spiritual faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. When a born again child of God commits a sin, they lose their fellowship with God, temporary, until they repent. They do not lose the indwelling of the Holy Spirit & belief in God.
 

oyster67

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Are you insinuating that I do not believe in Jesus, as my Savior?
I am not insinuating anything. I am informing you that...

"if you have not asked Jesus to come into your heart and save your wicked soul, then you are bound for Hell, my friend."

If the above wording upsets some of you, then:

"If you have not called upon the name of the Lord and repented of your sins, then you are bound for Hell, my friend."

I am here to speak the Truth. If that aggravates you, then you need to figure out why.
 

oyster67

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Jesus comes into the heart of a person, when he is quickened together with Christ, by God's sovereign grace to the new spiritual life (Eph 2:1-5)
Only after that person opens the door of their heart and repents of their sins. Have you done this?
 

Snacks

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Save= deliver, according to Greek interpretation.

The child of God is delivered many times as he sojourns here in this world.

The reason that you think it is up to you to eternally save (deliver) yourself, is because you are applying all of the salvation (deliverance) scriptures to mean eternal deliverance.

Luke 13:42 - When Jesus healed the blind man, he told him that his faith saved (delivered) him. This is not referring to eternal deliverance.

Eph 2:8- The word "saved" is "that not of ourselves", but is Jesus faithfulness in going to the cross to justify us (Gal 2:16).

2 Tim 3:15 - Paul says Timothy, from his youth has known the scriptures, which was able to make him wise "unto salvation" ( scriptures inform the children of God, how they were delivered eternally on the cross, not how to get eternally delivered) through their faith (belief that they were delivered by Jesus on the cross) which is in Christ Jesus. Eternal deliverance for all of those that his Father gave him was accomplished on the cross, whether they believed it or not.
If you don’t have faith in Jesus Christ, you don’t have eternal life, regardless of Jesus’ faithfulness in going to the cross.
 

brightfame52

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If you don’t have faith in Jesus Christ, you don’t have eternal life, regardless of Jesus’ faithfulness in going to the cross.
But its Christs faithfulness unto the death of the Cross that saves those He died for, and then He gives them Faith in Himself
 

Snacks

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But its Christs faithfulness unto the death of the Cross that saves those He died for, and then He gives them Faith in Himself
Sorry brother but I will never be convinced that Jesus died only for a select few. But I do appreciate you sharing as you do.
 

Iconoclast

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God never intended to save all men. Most everything on page one is a falsehood.
 

Iconoclast

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Sorry brother but I will never be convinced that Jesus died only for a select few. But I do appreciate you sharing as you do.
Actually Jesus died for an elect multitude, no man can number.
 

Nehemiah6

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God never intended to save all men. Most everything on page one is a falsehood.
Only the devil would make such a false statement. When you stand before Christ and give account, you will learn whether accusing Christ of being a liar was acceptable. The OP has given you the words of Christ Himself. So your are without excuse.
 

brightfame52

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Sorry brother but I will never be convinced that Jesus died only for a select few. But I do appreciate you sharing as you do.
Im sorry for you because you wont believe the Truth.
 

brightfame52

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Only the devil would make such a false statement. When you stand before Christ and give account, you will learn whether accusing Christ of being a liar was acceptable. The OP has given you the words of Christ Himself. So your are without excuse.
Sorry the Op is nothing more than arminianism and its not taught anywhere in the scripture.
 

brightfame52

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No reason to feel sorry for me. Jesus Christ is the way, the TRUTH and the life.
The Jesus Christ in the scripture came only to die for His People/ Sheep Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jn 10:11

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Is that the Jesus Christ you believe in ?
 

Snacks

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The Jesus Christ in the scripture came only to die for His People/ Sheep Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Jn 10:11

11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

Is that the Jesus Christ you believe in ?
His people are those who believe in Him.
The Jesus Christ of Matthew 1.21 is the very same Jesus Christ in John 3.16, so yes, I believe in THAT Jesus Christ.