Can a Christian lose salvation?

[Cameron143]

According to scripture, you are. See the Parable of the shower, 1 Corinthians 15, Hebrews 3, 2 Peter 2:21, etc.

That's not grace...that's works

 

[Papermonkey]

Yes.

Our soul returns to God from whom it was given when we were but dust in human form that was created in his image and likeness.

Our soul can enter heaven or Sheol after we die, or Hell, where ''we'' shall reside for eternity. That's immortality.
That which is from immortal father is immortal.

 

[Magenta]

He alone (the blessed and only Sovereign One—the King of kings
and Lord of lords) is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light.

Man attains to immortality by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

From 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

 

[oyster67]

''...And no one shall take them from my hand.''

When an apostate draws back into perdition, no one has taken him out of God's hand. He has forfeited His own salvation. He is cast forth as an unproductive branch and burned in the fire. This is not because of lack of good works, but because of lack of fruit.
Luke 13:9
“And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.”

Matthew 7:
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If one finds it soothing to say that people who lose their salvation were never saved in the first place, then I will let them to that. Just remember to maintain a humble and repentant heart lest you become "never saved in the first place."

 

[Papermonkey]

Amen.

He alone (the blessed and only Sovereign One—the King of kings
and Lord of lords) is immortal and dwells in unapproachable light.

Man attains to immortality by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ.

From 1 Corinthians 15:50-54

When an apostate draws back into perdition, no one has taken him out of God's hand. He has forfeited His own salvation. He is cast forth as an unproductive branch and burned in the fire. This is not because of lack of good works, but because of lack of fruit.
Luke 13:9
“And if it bear fruit, well: and if not, then after that thou shalt cut it down.”

Matthew 7:
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. 21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

If one finds it soothing to say that people who lose their salvation were never saved in the first place, then I will let them to that. Just remember to maintain a humble and repentant heart lest you become "never saved in the first place."

We'll agree to disagree.😊

 

[Runningman]

Our soul returns to God from whom it was given when we were but dust in human form that was created in his image and likeness.

Our soul can enter heaven or Sheol after we die, or Hell, where ''we'' shall reside for eternity. That's immortality.
That which is from immortal father is immortal.

Jesus said that only those who believe will have eternal life. All others perish… they aren’t immortal. That means immortality is conditional and being immortal in hell is kind of the anti-thesis to the gospel.

John 3
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

 

[Papermonkey]

Jesus said that only those who believe will have eternal life. All others perish… they aren’t immortal. That means immortality is conditional and being immortal in hell is kind of the anti-thesis to the gospel.

John 3
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

I trust Jesus died to keep his promise.

If salvation can be lost, it is not salvation.

 

[Runningman]

I trust Jesus died to keep his promise.

If salvation can be lost, it is not salvation.

When you get your salvation it won't be lost. Are you in heaven right now?

Does God put all of His cards on the table, give you all of the gifts, and effectively give us the advantage to be unrepentant sinners having already swooped up the irrevocable gift of eternal life because at one point we were true believers? I don't think that's how it works. That's why endurance in the faith, in this life, is required. After one has proven themselves worthy then they are given the grand gift of eternal life. This message is repeated repeatedly in the New Testament. Do take note and make every effort to accept it since this is not a small matter.

 

[Papermonkey]

When you get your salvation it won't be lost. Are you in heaven right now?

Does God put all of His cards on the table, give you all of the gifts, and effectively give us the advantage to be unrepentant sinners having already swooped up the irrevocable gift of eternal life because at one point we were true believers? I don't think that's how it works. That's why endurance in the faith, in this life, is required. After one has proven themselves worthy then they are given the grand gift of eternal life. This message is repeated repeatedly in the New Testament. Do take note and make every effort to accept it since this is not a small matter.

No, it is not a small matter.

Why would you think you're not saved right now?

I am.
Jesus said so.

Where?
😊💕 I'll leave you to seek that out. 🙏

 

[oyster67]

Jesus said that only those who believe will have eternal life. All others perish… they aren’t immortal. That means immortality is conditional and being immortal in hell is kind of the anti-thesis to the gospel.

I believe that all men are born as living souls. A human baby is more than just a blob of flesh.

John 3
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

...as opposed to eternal death in the Lake of Fire. ("persish" does not imply annihilationism.)

 

[John146]

I believe that all men are born as living souls. A human baby is more than just a blob of flesh.


...as opposed to eternal death in the Lake of Fire. ("persish" does not imply annihilationism.)

Exactly! See the second death in Revelation 20, being cast into the lake of fire where there is torment day and night forever and ever.

 

[John146]

When you get your salvation it won't be lost. Are you in heaven right now?

Does God put all of His cards on the table, give you all of the gifts, and effectively give us the advantage to be unrepentant sinners having already swooped up the irrevocable gift of eternal life because at one point we were true believers? I don't think that's how it works. That's why endurance in the faith, in this life, is required. After one has proven themselves worthy then they are given the grand gift of eternal life. This message is repeated repeatedly in the New Testament. Do take note and make every effort to accept it since this is not a small matter.

Ephesians 2
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

 

[CS1]

Who is responsible for maintaining the belief?

the question is not correct. Who is responsible for the walk?

 

[Runningman]

Ephesians 2
5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Not quite.

This is about eternal life in the coming age as Jesus mentioned many times in Matt. 19:29, Luke 18:29, Luke 20:35-36, and John 5:28-29.

Paul mentions it too in the next verse.

Ephesians 2
7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus

 

[Runningman]

I believe that all men are born as living souls. A human baby is more than just a blob of flesh.

I agree. ✅

...as opposed to eternal death in the Lake of Fire. ("persish" does not imply annihilationism.)

I don’t agree with that. I believe death means ceasing to exist. No feelings, no thoughts, no existence. It’s got to be the exact opposite of eternal life.

 

[Cameron143]

the question is not correct. Who is responsible for the walk?

Fair enough. In Philippians 1:6 what does it mean that He who began the work will continue until the day of Jesus Christ?

 

[ResidentAlien]

6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The key thing that's always overlooked or ignored is where it says "in Christ Jesus." If we don't endure, if we don't hold fast to the truth and remain in Him, we've jumped out of the life boat. At what point will this result in disaster is anyone's guess; so it's best to just stay in the lifeboat and be thankful.

 

[Runningman]

The key thing that's always overlooked or ignored is where it says "in Christ Jesus." If we don't endure, if we don't hold fast to the truth and remain in Him, we've jumped out of the life boat. At what point will this result in disaster is anyone's guess; so it's best to just stay in the lifeboat and be thankful.

And there’s a way to not be in Christ Jesus…

Hebrews 3
14We have come to share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original conviction firmly to the very end.

 

[John146]

Not quite.

This is about eternal life in the coming age as Jesus mentioned many times in Matt. 19:29, Luke 18:29, Luke 20:35-36, and John 5:28-29.

Paul mentions it too in the next verse.

Ephesians 2
7in order that in the coming ages he might show the incomparable riches of his grace, expressed in his kindness to us in Christ Jesus

Spiritually, we are already there. In the coming ages, the Lord will change our bodies to match our saved spiritual state. That's the glorious redemption Paul is pointing to here.

 

[John146]

The key thing that's always overlooked or ignored is where it says "in Christ Jesus." If we don't endure, if we don't hold fast to the truth and remain in Him, we've jumped out of the life boat. At what point will this result in disaster is anyone's guess; so it's best to just stay in the lifeboat and be thankful.

Stay in Paul's letters to the body of Christ and rightly divide the Jews and the body of Christ. When you look to Matthew and Hebrews and beyond, one can get their doctrine mixed up.