To anyone who disagrees with me

[RichMan]

I think the objective is to broaden perspectives. If we are able to glean truth through study and revelation, surely others have as well. As God has been pleased to ordain pastors and teachers and evangelists for the edification of the saints, it would behoove us to take full advantage of such grace.
Ultimately we will have to employ discernment, but even the poorest minister who begins with scripture has, at the very least, begun well.

The question was from who one got their doctrine, and stated that to say the Bible was prideful.
The Word of God is the only source for true doctrine.
There are good teachers and books that may be helpful, but only if what is taught is in agreement with Scripture.
What I have discovered over the years is that most are nothing more than opinions and efforts to prove a doctrine that is not in agreement with Scripture.

 

[Cameron143]

The question was from who one got their doctrine, and stated that to say the Bible was prideful.
The Word of God is the only source for true doctrine.
There are good teachers and books that may be helpful, but only if what is taught is in agreement with Scripture.
What I have discovered over the years is that most are nothing more than opinions and efforts to prove a doctrine that is not in agreement with Scripture.

The OP is about sources other than the Bible. While the Bible is indeed the source of truth and we are to be good Bereans, there are many authors who have learned that truth and been chosen by God to disseminate it.
It is a wise man, full of discernment, who is able to garner truth from many rivers. Each NT writer has a different perspective that adds to a greater and fuller understanding of truth.
What is the purpose of a sermon? Is it not given by a chosen man of God who has received revelation from God, who is charged to labor each week on behalf of God's people to their edification? Has God given a grace to His people in predigested revelation that His people are too proud to discern and believe?
Sure, if one is truly a Christian, the Holy Spirit can lead them into all truth. But He has done this for millennium for all the saints. Not to take advantage of all those before us is like deciding to learn math from scratch, not receiving the wisdom of gifted mathematicians throughout the ages. Oh, that's ridiculous, you say? I think it's ridiculous as well.
Having a final authority need not exclude other sources.

 

[pottersclay]

We're all an amalgamation of so many contributors. I forget who said it and I'm taking liberties in my recalling of the quote but someone a lot smarter than I said something to the effect that we stand on the shoulders of those who came before us, and by them are enabled to see much farther.
Some of the people I enjoy reading and/or listening to include:

John Piper
Henry Blackaby
Francis Schaefer
Martyn Lloyd Jones
Alistair Begg
Philip DeCoursey
Sinclair Ferguson

There are so many others too including a pastor I have sat under for a quarter of a century. I love listening to sermons and listen to 40-50 a week so anyone who at least begins with scripture has taught me something.

I like alistair begg he is very insightful.

 

[Cameron143]

I like alistair begg he is very insightful.

I agree. His background lends a perspective that informs and broadens my understanding in ways my life does not. He's also my choice to binge listen to on trips.

 

[HopeinHim4ever]

I don't think it's prideful to say you got your beliefs from the bible. We can certainly glean from teachers who are sound tho.
There's a danger when someone or a denomination holds certain people's writings up so high as to use them to interpret scripture I think. SDA's with Ellen White, LDS with Joseph Smith. You can get pretty far off track that way.

 

[Gojira]

When you read the Bible with the guidance of the Holy Spirit it is not prideful to say you only follow the scriptures.. Because one trusts in the guidance of the Holy Spirit and not in their own intellect,, Neither do they trust in other men or human institutions like theological colleges.. In the end if the Holy Spirit is not guiding you then you will only end up with false interpretations of scripture..

I agree... what a stupid use of the word "prideful". That's not prideful, seeking God's will over your own. If anything, it's prideful to seek other sources that make sense to you. The word of God does not always make sense to us, yet we are called to trust it. I think that's actually an aspect of humility.

 

[Gojira]

That all being said, there are plenty of Christians worth reading, like C.S. Lewis, Augustine, etc. I have that book "The New Evidence That Demands a Verdict" -- what a great apologetics resource. I read a book called "Did Jesus Really Rise from the Dead?", chronicling a debate between a believer and an atheist over the resurrection of Jesus. But, none of these are equal to the word of God.

 

[Blade]

What books, dvds have you learned your theology, doctrines from? Publishers. I do not want to hear you only learned from the Bible, that seems pridfull to me.

Maybe toss that out and let Him start to teach you not man. Its wise to read and study from others but.. what I believe did not come from any man but the son of man Jesus Christ who is in me and by His sweet holy Spirit He leads me He guides me into all truth not man. Prideful or am I giving all praise all glory to Him again not man. Not going to give any man and praise and thanks. That all goes to God for no man will glory in His sight.

 

[Cameron143]

Maybe toss that out and let Him start to teach you not man. Its wise to read and study from others but.. what I believe did not come from any man but the son of man Jesus Christ who is in me and by His sweet holy Spirit He leads me He guides me into all truth not man. Prideful or am I giving all praise all glory to Him again not man. Not going to give any man and praise and thanks. That all goes to God for no man will glory in His sight.

By this logic we should all leave the site and study in a cubicle.

 

[RichMan]

The OP is about sources other than the Bible. While the Bible is indeed the source of truth and we are to be good Bereans, there are many authors who have learned that truth and been chosen by God to disseminate it.
It is a wise man, full of discernment, who is able to garner truth from many rivers. Each NT writer has a different perspective that adds to a greater and fuller understanding of truth.
What is the purpose of a sermon? Is it not given by a chosen man of God who has received revelation from God, who is charged to labor each week on behalf of God's people to their edification? Has God given a grace to His people in predigested revelation that His people are too proud to discern and believe?
Sure, if one is truly a Christian, the Holy Spirit can lead them into all truth. But He has done this for millennium for all the saints. Not to take advantage of all those before us is like deciding to learn math from scratch, not receiving the wisdom of gifted mathematicians throughout the ages. Oh, that's ridiculous, you say? I think it's ridiculous as well.
Having a final authority need not exclude other sources.

Like many, you assume that if a man says he is called of God it is so.
If all were called of God, there would not be so many different "interpretations" of Scripture that is very prevalent in the many book out there. So little agreement on any subject.
If you feel it an advantage for you to spend time reading after one of these people, instead of studying the Word of God, that is your choice.
I will spend all my time in a study of God's Word. That way I do not have to search the Scripture to check after one of the men.
But for someone to suggest that to do so and state that all my doctrine comes from personal
study of God's Word is "prideful" is very judgement on their part and I will not let that go unchallenged.

 

[RichMan]

By this logic we should all leave the site and study in a cubicle.

Well, not a lot of agreement on this site.
Not a lot of truth taught on this site.
Lots of opinions.

 

[Cameron143]

Like many, you assume that if a man says he is called of God it is so.
If all were called of God, there would not be so many different "interpretations" of Scripture that is very prevalent in the many book out there. So little agreement on any subject.
If you feel it an advantage for you to spend time reading after one of these people, instead of studying the Word of God, that is your choice.
I will spend all my time in a study of God's Word. That way I do not have to search the Scripture to check after one of the men.
But for someone to suggest that to do so and state that all my doctrine comes from personal
study of God's Word is "prideful" is very judgement on their part and I will not let that go unchallenged.

Your first statement is wrong and shows you didn't read my post carefully. If you are fine getting information solely from scripture I'm fine with that as well. What I don't understand is that if you advocate for such, why come on a site to tell people to only get their information from the Bible when you are a secondary source. You are saying on the one hand to not listen to you and on the other hear what I have to say.

 

[JohnDB]

First off "Sola Scriptura" (solely scripture) is impossible. Anyone who claims that is a liar and is so thorough they lie to themselves convincingly.

Somebody somewhere had to teach them how to read the alphabet and phonics and some amount of history and anthropology. Then someone had to teach them simile and metaphors and all the poetic devices.

So...since history, anthropology, sociology, geography, and literary sciences and arts are NOT taught by scripture....they had to learn them elsewhere.

However, by studying these things in addition to the other three original language sciences and arts and translation sciences.....
And a healthy dose of ANE mythology and typologies....and then reading scriptures...you get a feel for what is being said and why it is being said in the way its being said.

Which then allows someone to understand.

 

[Cameron143]

Well, not a lot of agreement on this site.
Not a lot of truth taught on this site.
Lots of opinions.

I agree. But it does afford fellowship and an opportunity to work through doctrine and help some people.
Enjoy what blesses and pray over what doesn't.

 

[RichMan]

Your first statement is wrong and shows you didn't read my post carefully. If you are fine getting information solely from scripture I'm fine with that as well. What I don't understand is that if you advocate for such, why come on a site to tell people to only get their information from the Bible when you are a secondary source. You are saying on the one hand to not listen to you and on the other hear what I have to say.

I was responding to a post that said I was prideful if I stated my only source of truth was Scripture. That is a stupid statement.
I encourage all to study with others.
But in my opinion, it is a waste of time to shift through a multitude of books seeking the truth when it is in one book, the Bible.
Do as you wish, but do not judge others for doing as they wish.

 

[Bob-Carabbio]

What books, dvds have you learned your theology, doctrines from? Publishers. I do not want to hear you only learned from the Bible, that seems pridfull to me.

The very partial list would be:

J.R. Franklin Lenentine, Harley Olson, Edwin(Rockey) Homer Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Father Richard Rohr, Sister Mary Augustine, T.l. Osborn, Charles Schmitt, Charles Simpson, Don Basham, C.S. Lewis, J.Edwin Orr, T.D. Jakes, Oswald Smith, Joyce Meyer,Watchman Nee, Calvin Funchess, Greg White, Jason Sandifer, Billy Graham, Malcom Smith, and many more.

What's YOUR list?

 

[ResidentAlien]

First off "Sola Scriptura" (solely scripture) is impossible. Anyone who claims that is a liar and is so thorough they lie to themselves convincingly.

Somebody somewhere had to teach them how to read the alphabet and phonics and some amount of history and anthropology. Then someone had to teach them simile and metaphors and all the poetic devices.

So...since history, anthropology, sociology, geography, and literary sciences and arts are NOT taught by scripture....they had to learn them elsewhere.

However, by studying these things in addition to the other three original language sciences and arts and translation sciences.....
And a healthy dose of ANE mythology and typologies....and then reading scriptures...you get a feel for what is being said and why it is being said in the way its being said.

Which then allows someone to understand.

Yes, I did learn a lot from all my commentaries and theological tomes. I learned it was a lot of hooey! They taught me all the wrong interpretations so learning the scriptures was quite easy after that.

 

[Cameron143]

I was responding to a post that said I was prideful if I stated my only source of truth was Scripture. That is a stupid statement.
I encourage all to study with others.
But in my opinion, it is a waste of time to shift through a multitude of books seeking the truth when it is in one book, the Bible.
Do as you wish, but do not judge others for doing as they wish.

I was referring to the like many you assume part..
And I do think it is misguided to begin a post the way this one began. But I also think love covers a multitude of sin.

 

[TMS]

What books, dvds have you learned your theology, doctrines from? Publishers. I do not want to hear you only learned from the Bible, that seems pridfull to me.

I've made a decided choice to test all, ALL things to the word of God.
Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
2Ti 3: 16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

Reading or listening to other people is fine as long as they do not contradict or mislead from the bible.

 

[TheLearner]

You first.
Whose opinion have you accepted?
Are you suggesting there is a greater source than Word of God?

scripture is supreme, but movies, dvds, books, etc., is an influnce too that people sometimes avoid in saying what they have read. No need to be Allusive friend, brothern.