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Locoponydirtman

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It is obvious. Take a look around. America having began as a Christian nation was once blessed beyond measure. America's status has since diminished. A parallel can be seen in relation to Godly principles having slowly diminished over time. And are on the fast track to being totally eradicated from the "town square." The resulting void continues to be filled with blind, self-serving people drawn into rebellion by Satan in his attempt to take as many with him into eternal damnation when all is said and done.
When was America ever a chiristian nation?
Where in our documents is the name of Jesus envoked?
Where in our documents is the Bible cited as the over arching directive document?
 

ResidentAlien

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It is obvious. Take a look around. America having began as a Christian nation was once blessed beyond measure. America's status has since diminished. A parallel can be seen in relation to Godly principles having slowly diminished over time. And are on the fast track to being totally eradicated from the "town square." The resulting void continues to be filled with blind, self-serving people drawn into rebellion by Satan in his attempt to take as many with him into eternal damnation when all is said and done.
If this is really how you see things I won't even waste my time trying to reason with you. What you've said here has nothing to do with history or reality. You'd make a good mouthpiece for the conservative right propaganda machine however.
 
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pottersclay

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When was America ever a chiristian nation?
Where in our documents is the name of Jesus envoked?
Where in our documents is the Bible cited as the over arching directive document?
Not doing your homework for you look them up...read them.
 

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America was never in covenant with God as a nation. Her founding was, however, was grounded and undergirded by many Christian principles.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Yall dont find it in the least ironic that Jesus said do not swear an oath, by anything in Heaven or under Heaven, yet our public official swear an oath on His word against his word.
 
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Cahn is pointing out the redundancy that is in the old testament judgements of God.
Hes really not predicting anything but just following what will happen if this and that persists.
The warnings of God (shakings is a bibical term) are just that warnings..but if ignored goes to judgement.
God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked unlike some do but for all to repent.
Gods shakings are cause and effect but the world wants you to believe its because of the lack of this or that poor leadership.
Constantly the news will tell you if we just do this or fund this or allow this everthing will be alright.
As we know it is always in the direction that pulls us away from GOD.
The constant lieing and blame game resolves nothing and all the shakings are explained away by the world.
The apostle ask what will be the signs of your coming after jesus told them he said to watch and look up.
But the world would have you to look at the television as they explain it away.
Do you know the real reason our president was refused oil from the middle east. Its because of his liberal policies and agenda....not political but a moral issue.
Also to send a women V.P Harris to negotiate in foreign affairs is fruitless. Most do not recognize a women as a leader.
As a result we stress liberalism and equality to a culture that is dogmatic on male leadership.
Aside from all of this how much money does it take to control the weather? ( remember its tax payer money used).
Natural disasters like never before increasing in degree explained and blamed on climate change.
Pretty sure JESUS talked about these events.
Did you know that inflation is a sin. Leading people into poverty as a king is sinful yet our leader denies it exsist by his hand he blames it on covid.
This thread is to look at things from a bibical perspective not political. These are bibical.
Its all about trump and biden so says the world....not so...its about the hearts of men who have forgotten their GOD.
Yes yes yes we should watch all these issues you mention and 1000's of others. A half a book could be written about Turkey for example in their actions in the past 12 months. Turkey is a big player in end time prophecy however their intentions and alliance has been somewhat nebulous until very recently. They(Erdogan) want to increase their maritime borders in both the Aegean and Mediterranean Sea thanks to new natural gas findings empowering Israel and other Mediterranean countries mentioned in prophecy , become an Islamic world center, force the other 50% of his population to accept Islam, eradicate the Kurds and their Turkish territory and even into Syria, threatening Greece, etc etc.. He like Russia and China want to take back old holdings like the Ottoman empire, Ukraine/the stans of Russia and Taiwan respectively. We know what the Bible says about wars and rumors of wars. But no one knows the days these wars will begin or if they will begin. Or how these events play out exactly. Other than the US becoming apostate and evil as many nations will there is no direct prophecy related to the US as Cahn is claiming. Turkey is certainly mentioned. Prophecy tells about wars that will happen and they all involve God's promised land with specifically listed nations. And the events surrounding Christ's 2nd coming.

Obviously the end time prophetic fulfillments are accelerating at a pace never observed in 2000 years. Yes, we are to be aware and responsible for knowing what prophecy says about these things for our preparedness and and increased faith. But Cahn is reading things into prophetic events that are impossible to know and this is not right; nor is marketing and broadcasting these interpretations.
 
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There is plenty of clearly and accurately stated prophecy clearly and accurately being fulfilled to bolster our faith as Believers/Bible students and intrigue/attract/amaze non-believers. There is plenty of opportunity for false prophets to make sensational prophetic claims; this too was prophesied in itself. Many fine trustworthy Bible scholars speak on prophecy and they are in agreement in great detail. If we know Bible prophecy we can make fair assumptions about many (accurate)newscasts that report evil trends in this world. But assumptions must be treated as assumptions. Eventually we will find out if our assumptions were accurate. We don't even know for sure if Trump or Biden didn't have(or do have) much worse intentions since much of their actions are secret. God judges nations and kings.
 
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If this is really how you see things I won't even waste my time trying to reason with you. What you've said here has nothing to do with history or reality. You'd make a good mouthpiece for the conservative right propaganda machine however.
America is taking the wrong track. Every since about 1968 we have taken a fall in moral standards for instance. Divorce rates and the failures of the family unit have increased greatly. (increase in sin) Check the statistics, nothing to do with propaganda. Do you not agree ? Are we not the trendsetters of what is often referred to as western culture promoting gay and LGBT rights, gay marriage, etc. ? Is this any different than the historical failures of Israel ? Cahn does mention these factual issues and he is bang on. He does make plenty of good points but deserves strong rebuke for his other unacceptable claims.

Check out Indonesia, a strongly Muslim country. " Adultery, in the sense of a married person cheating on their spouse, has actually long been illegal in Indonesia."
 
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pottersclay

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Yall dont find it in the least ironic that Jesus said do not swear an oath, by anything in Heaven or under Heaven, yet our public official swear an oath on His word against his word.
Saint i can tell by your responces that you need to study a bit more. Your argument is within reason of your understanding not of knowledge and truth.
Can you tell me why JESUS said this?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Saint i can tell by your responces that you need to study a bit more. Your argument is within reason of your understanding not of knowledge and truth.
Can you tell me why JESUS said this?
But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne; nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black. But let your ‘Yes’ be ‘Yes,’ and your ‘No,’ ‘No.’ For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.
Matthew 5:34‭-‬37 NKJV
https://bible.com/bible/114/mat.5.34-37.NKJV
 
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Locoponydirtman

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It's all explained in the passage
 

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This nation has been engaged in manifest monsterous and damnable sin from the very begining. Temporal nations do not have any covenant with God. Its absolute hubris to think you can forge a covnant with God. God has made a covenant with man in Christ Jesus. There is no other covenant with God.
Even our own revolutionary war was not a just war. It was over money, tax money on goods traded between us and England. This country was forged in violence is and always has been violent. Which happens to be the same reason God destroyed sodom and gamorah. From unjust war in every generation to chattle slavery to the human abuses during the industrial revolution to infanticide. The only redeming quality this country has ever had is that it was a secure place for christians to thrive. That now is going away.[/QUO
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America is taking the wrong track. Every since about 1968 we have taken a fall in moral standards for instance. Divorce rates and the failures of the family unit have increased greatly. (increase in sin) Check the statistics, nothing to do with propaganda. Do you not agree ? Are we not the trendsetters of what is often referred to as western culture promoting gay and LGBT rights, gay marriage, etc. ? Is this any different than the historical failures of Israel ? Cahn does mention these factual issues and he is bang on. He does make plenty of good points but deserves strong rebuke for his other unacceptable claims.

Check out Indonesia, a strongly Muslim country. " Adultery, in the sense of a married person cheating on their spouse, has actually long been illegal in Indonesia."
yet under Muslim Law you can get married for 15mins,
Nikah mut'ah[1][2] Arabic: نكاح المتعة, romanized: nikāḥ al-mutʿah, literally "pleasure marriage"; temporary marriage[3]: 1045  or Sigheh[4] (Persian: صیغه ، ازدواج موقت) is a private and verbal temporary marriage contract that is practiced in Twelver Shia Islam[5] in which the duration of the marriage and the mahr must be specified and agreed upon in advance.[1][6][7]: 242 [8]: 47–53  It is a private contract made in a verbal or written format. A declaration of the intent to marry and an acceptance of the terms are required as in other forms of marriage in Islam.[9]
According to Shia Muslims, Muhammad sanctioned nikah mut'ah (fixed-term marriage, called muta'a in Iraq and sigheh in Iran), which has instead been used as a legitimizing cover for sex workers in a culture where prostitution is otherwise forbidden. Some Western writers have argued that mut'ah approximates prostitution.[10]
Some sources say the Nikah mut'ah has no prescribed minimum or maximum duration,[11] but others, such as The Oxford Dictionary of Islam, indicate the minimum duration of the marriage is debatable and durations of at least three days, three months or one year have been suggested.[1]
Some Muslims and Western scholars have stated that both Nikah mut'ah[12] and Nikah misyar[13] are Islamically void attempts to religiously sanction prostitution which is otherwise forbidden.[14] The Zaidi Shia reject Mutah marriage.[
 
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Locoponydirtman

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yet under Muslim Law you can get married for 15mins,
Nikah mut'ah[1][2] Arabic: نكاح المتعة, romanized: nikāḥ al-mutʿah, literally "pleasure marriage"; temporary marriage[3]: 1045  or Sigheh[4] (Persian: صیغه ، ازدواج موقت) is a private and verbal temporary marriage contract that is practiced in Twelver Shia Islam[5] in which the duration of the marriage and the mahr must be specified and agreed upon in advance.[1][6][7]: 242 [8]: 47–53  It is a private contract made in a verbal or written format. A declaration of the intent to marry and an acceptance of the terms are required as in other forms of marriage in Islam.[9]
According to Shia Muslims, Muhammad sanctioned nikah mut'ah (fixed-term marriage, called muta'a in Iraq and sigheh in Iran), which has instead been used as a legitimizing cover for sex workers in a culture where prostitution is otherwise forbidden. Some Western writers have argued that mut'ah approximates prostitution.[10]
Some sources say the Nikah mut'ah has no prescribed minimum or maximum duration,[11] but others, such as The Oxford Dictionary of Islam, indicate the minimum duration of the marriage is debatable and durations of at least three days, three months or one year have been suggested.[1]
Some Muslims and Western scholars have stated that both Nikah mut'ah[12] and Nikah misyar[13] are Islamically void attempts to religiously sanction prostitution which is otherwise forbidden.[14] The Zaidi Shia reject Mutah marriage.[
Ok, so what does that have to
 

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Ok, so what does that have to
Check out Indonesia, a strongly Muslim country. " Adultery, in the sense of a married person cheating on their spouse, has actually long been illegal in Indonesia." it was in response to this
 

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Locoponydirtman

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Check out Indonesia, a strongly Muslim country. " Adultery, in the sense of a married person cheating on their spouse, has actually long been illegal in Indonesia." it was in response to this
I think adultrey should be illegal here. That in a divorce the adulteruous partner should get nothing, and be exiled from the state that they live in.
 
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This nation has been engaged in manifest monsterous and damnable sin from the very begining. Temporal nations do not have any covenant with God. Its absolute hubris to think you can forge a covnant with God. God has made a covenant with man in Christ Jesus. There is no other covenant with God.
Even our own revolutionary war was not a just war. It was over money, tax money on goods traded between us and England. This country was forged in violence is and always has been violent. Which happens to be the same reason God destroyed sodom and gamorah. From unjust war in every generation to chattle slavery to the human abuses during the industrial revolution to infanticide. The only redeming quality this country has ever had is that it was a secure place for christians to thrive. That now is going away.
What about the long standing assistance we have given Israel.
What nation is so important to God.

The history of US-Israeli Relations - https://ifamericansknew.org/us_ints/history.html

Genesis 12 : 1-3
Leave your country, your kindred, and your father’s household, and go to the land I will show you. I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, so that you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you; and all the families of the earth will be blessed through you. (Genesis 12:1-3)

2 Kings 21:4
And he built altars in the house of the Lord, of which the Lord said, In Jerusalem will I put my name.
 
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This is correct. And even the European countries which are liberal are sick of the evil ideologies coming out of America.
13 European countries have rejected America's trans mania
https://www.wnd.com/2023/01/13-european-countries-rejected-americas-trans-mania/

Does anyone doubt that the Leftists are under direct demonic control?
Certainly, demonic control is exponentially increasing across the world. Along with a long list of other exponentially increasing events/behaviors/technologies/evils that Biblical prophecy predicts to occur in perfect harmony. Yet the Laodicean churches of today avoid teaching these painful prophetic events so as to tickle ears and maintain prosperity motivated members and a fat tithe totally blind to that most important gift of salvation. How sad but exciting to see prophecy unfold for those obedient to Jesus our Lord.

Was it 1970 New York that seeded the LGBT pride movement ? Which one spread across the world faster, the LGBT pride movement or the disciples spreading of the Gospel ? Considering the size of the populated earth then and now the answer is obvious.
Scary thought.
 
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I think adultrey should be illegal here. That in a divorce the adulteruous partner should get nothing, and be exiled from the state that they live in.
Imagine attempting to pass that legislation in this country today.