Once saved always saved (OSAS) debunked

[Runningman]

Thread done........Mic Drop......

*picks up the mic* 🎤

🎶 Now here’s a little story I got to tell about Jude 1:24-25, you know so well.

The word “falling” in verse 24, I don’t want to bore, means to keep from sin. Can I get an amen?

What’s more, it says Christ is “able”, this is no ramble, Christ keeps us stable.

So what about that par-a-ble? You know, the one with the sheep? It wanders away and far from home it roams. Hard to keep!

What if that sheep can’t be found? That makes me frown; that’s a sad turn around. It’s the Father’s will none should perish, but all repent, though seeking He is slow to relent. 🎶

 

[ResidentAlien]

(Jude 1 :25) Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy,

Paul said the Lord is able to do a lot of things. He was confident of it, I'm confident of it and you are probably confident of it. However, a new believer or one weak in the faith may not be so confident and is vulnerable. He or she might very well give up and walk away if they're in a bad environment or don't get the proper encouragement.

 

[ThewindBlows]

Well; because of unbelief they were broken off

Turn that frown upside down, and instead of unbelief, Believe!!!!!!!!!

Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Unbelief could be sin right? So.....If me and you look to Jesus what do we see, I see the blood of Jesus as Gods grace and mercy, And heaven opened and one sitting on the throne, plus many many other things

to who else can you look, not at ourselves right? there is no one else to go

 

[ThewindBlows]

*picks up the mic* 🎤

🎶 Now here’s a little story I got to tell about Jude 1:24-25, you know so well.

The word “falling” in verse 24, I don’t want to bore, means to keep from sin. Can I get an amen?

What’s more, it says Christ is “able”, this is no ramble, Christ keeps us stable.

So what about that par-a-ble? You know, the one with the sheep? It wonders away and far from home it roams. Hard to keep!

What if that sheep can’t be found? That makes me frown; that’s a sad turn around. It’s the Father’s will none should perish, but all repent, though seeking He is slow to relent. 🎶

Paul said the Lord is able to do a lot of things. He was confident of it, I'm confident of it and you are probably confident of it. However, a new believer or one weak in the faith may not be so confident and is vulnerable. He or she might very well give up and walk away if they're in a bad environment or don't get the proper encouragement.

Gee.... you two popped up fast, sometimes its more fun to ignore you guys but.... Family is out and i have time so why not have fun with you two...... And yea RM you really dont bore me...and alien sorry for that zzzzzzzz reaction the other day

 

[ThewindBlows]

*picks up the mic* 🎤

🎶 Now here’s a little story I got to tell about Jude 1:24-25, you know so well.

The word “falling” in verse 24, I don’t want to bore, means to keep from sin. Can I get an amen?

What’s more, it says Christ is “able”, this is no ramble, Christ keeps us stable.

So what about that par-a-ble? You know, the one with the sheep? It wanders away and far from home it roams. Hard to keep!

What if that sheep can’t be found? That makes me frown; that’s a sad turn around. It’s the Father’s will none should perish, but all repent, though seeking He is slow to relent. 🎶

Your acting different lately, is that a good thing? don't base your doctrine on a parable, especially when you don't give us access to the dictionary of (running man) you hide your definitions for words behind....

What if sheep cant be found? You are mocking the Good Sheppard now? ok you bore me, I usually skip past your posts because there is never anything to learn, but you may be the first person in my internet history that i might put on ignor

 

[Runningman]

Your acting different lately, is that a good thing? don't base your doctrine on a parable, especially when you don't give us access to the dictionary of (running man) you hide your definitions for words behind....

What if sheep cant be found? You are mocking the Good Sheppard now? ok you bore me, I usually skip past your posts because there is never anything to learn, but you may be the first person in my internet history that i might put on ignor

I think you’re just getting a peek at my personality. I’m a very playful, often happy, laughing person. Sometimes not.

Anyway, I said “if” not to mock, but because that’s what the parable says.

Matthew 18
12What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep and one of them goes astray, will he not leave the ninety-nine on the hills and go out to search for the one that is lost? 13And if he finds it, truly I tell you, he rejoices more over that one sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. 14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

 

[ThewindBlows]

Paul said the Lord is able to do a lot of things. He was confident of it, I'm confident of it and you are probably confident of it. However, a new believer or one weak in the faith may not be so confident and is vulnerable. He or she might very well give up and walk away if they're in a bad environment or don't get the proper encouragement.

So you think to show your faith is to tell people weak in faith they are not safe and secure in Jesus and that is your encouragement, Jesus says let the children come to him who do you think you are to try say they cant, you are not the Sheppard of the sheep, all I do is try point to Jesus and certain people don't like it, you always pop up to try bring doubt

 

[ThewindBlows]

I think you’re just getting a peek at my personality. I’m a very playful, often happy, laughing person. Sometimes not.

Anyway, I said “if” not to mock, but because that’s what the parable says.

Sitting in your room by yourself laughing to yourself thinking you found an if in the parable, hmmmmmm you are a worry, Maybe to you the if means he might not when it is Gods will it is certain

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

 

[Runningman]

Sitting in your room by yourself laughing to yourself thinking you found an if in the parable, hmmmmmm you are a worry, Maybe to you the if means he might not when it is Gods will it is certain

And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

I hope some day you will have the joy that I have.

But isn’t it biblically consistent that some perish though? That’s because sheep do go astray and perish. This part of Matthew 18 isn’t parable:

14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

God wants His sheep to repent again if they go astray. Repent or perish. Those are our only options, simply put.

 

[ThewindBlows]

If someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they demonstrate that they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith. (James 2:14)

Careful with that slippery slope of looking for works, If someone has genuine faith there will be works because God is working in them, The point is do they have faith

These people didn't think they had works, but the other group did

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

 

[ThewindBlows]

I hope some day you will have the joy that I have.

But isn’t it biblically consistent that some perish though? That’s because sheep do go astray and perish. This part of Matthew 18 isn’t parable:

14In the same way, your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should perish.

God wants His sheep to repent again if they go astray. Repent or perish. Those are our only options, simply put

How did it turn to joy? you should have seen last night still cant get over it

Yea it seams a lot! perish, But they don't have to, I would say its because they where not his sheep and its obvious they don't want to be

 

[posthuman]

I read this far and noticed you defined terms on what you can do i didn't need to read any further, if we take things back and look at Jesus this verse ends all the debate

(Jude 1 :25) Now unto him that is able to keep you from falling, and to present you faultless before the presence of his glory with exceeding joy, (26) To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.

Eyes on Jesus

Thread done........Mic Drop......

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

One might think it ought to be done
But not everyone is given an ear that hears
This is also His will, that we witness continually of His glory

 

[Runningman]

These people didn't think they had works, but the other group did

35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

And that’s what James was talking about:

James 2
14What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

 

[Runningman]

How did it turn to joy? you should have seen last night still cant get over it

And what happened last night?

 

[ThewindBlows]

And that’s what James was talking about:

Do you need a bib RM buddy

 

[posthuman]

So what about that par-a-ble? You know, the one with the sheep? It wanders away and far from home it roams. Hard to keep!

His name is The GOOD Shepherd
He loses not one of His own

What about that do you find difficult

You really think you can go somewhere God can't find you?

If you felt broken I think you'd believe that
But while you're proud, you weirdly don't

How like us all!

 

[cv5]

I disagree with that completely.

I’ll defer to James’ pretense in James 2:14

“What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?”

James’ question is plain. Can faith save someone. Then he proceeds to answer this question.

No. James is engaging in hyperbolic rhetoric given the context. The implication James is making is that there MAY BE hearers in the audience that have NEITHER faith nor works. In other words......not regenerated. An implicit accusation in other words.

 

[ThewindBlows]

1 Thessalonians 5:23-24
Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. He who calls you is faithful, who also will do it.

It ought to be done
But not everyone is given an eat that hears

I have a big microphone but its quite loud and deafening, good at making people block there ears unfortunately

You deal with people in a nice way Post! I cant believe RM doesnt even consider what you are trying to show him on this thread

 

[posthuman]

And that’s what James was talking about:

James 2
14What good is it, my brothers, if someone claims to have faith, but has no deeds? Can such faith save him? 15Suppose a brother or sister is without clothes and daily food. 16If one of you tells him, “Go in peace; stay warm and well fed,” but does not provide for his physical needs, what good is that? 17So too, faith by itself, if it does not result in action, is dead.

People here are offering you bread and wine
My dude, take, eat. Take, drink. God is good!

 

[posthuman]

No. James is engaging in hyperbolic rhetoric given the context. The implication James is making is that there MAY BE hearers in the audience that have NEITHER faith nor works. In other words......not regenerated. An implicit accusation in other words.

Based on the specific sin of having partially, BTW, in context!