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Nehemiah6

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It's happening now and has been since then cross. Jesus is restoring all things just as He said He would do...destroy the works of the devil.
Jesus is not restoring anything while the devil is having a heyday. This is an EITHER/OR proposition. When Christ will take control, the devil will be in Hell (or the bottomless pit prior to to that). And all evildoers will be out of the picture. So there is no need to make a mishmash out of Bible truth. The apostle John said that "the whole world lieth in wickedness" and that has only grown worse (unless you have your head in the sand).
 

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Jesus is not restoring anything while the devil is having a heyday. This is an EITHER/OR proposition. When Christ will take control, the devil will be in Hell (or the bottomless pit prior to to that). And all evildoers will be out of the picture. So there is no need to make a mishmash out of Bible truth. The apostle John said that "the whole world lieth in wickedness" and that has only grown worse (unless you have your head in the sand).
Do women suffer more or less during childbirth? Do men sweat more or less as they work? Are more people saved today than ever before? Is the church being added to daily?
Satan was cast out of heaven shortly before the cross. Jesus said He would build His church and the gates of hell would be unable to stop it.
Perhaps governments are more wicked, maybe not. Maybe improvements in communication just make it appear so. But Satan isn't winning anything that doesn't serve God's purposes. You are free to live defeated. I'm not going to.
 

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1) Satan was cast out of heaven shortly before the cross.
2) Perhaps governments are more wicked, maybe not.
3) Maybe improvements in communication just make it appear so.
1) Where he is reigning over the kings of the earth (politicians, billionaire elites, entertainment moguls, entertainment stars, false religious leaders) with his fallen angels. Here he is on display, licking up the dust of the earth. You can use superbowl halftime shows as a scale to find out how far society has fallen. And society is in the dregs, begging for God's wrath IMO. Similar to Canaan at the time of Joshua (which was a type in microcosm of the Lord returning to wage war at the time of the Second Coming BTW)

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In terms of society advancing to ever greater righteousness, things are NOT "getting better" out there.

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3) See item #1
Eph 2:2
Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (waves), the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
 

cv5

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It's happening now and has been since then cross. Jesus is restoring all things just as He said He would do...destroy the works of the devil.
But just as things declined gradually from the Fall to the cross, so too things are gradually improving.
History is building to all the things God has promised. You believe they will be accomplished all at once. I believe they will and are happening over time.
When will all come to fruition? When God finishes bringing it all about. I don't have to know the time...just keep my lamp full.
So what do you make of this "coming Kingdom" business? IMO, your eschatological outlook needs a total overhaul. Your Kingdom model is wildly at variance with that so described biblically.

Mat 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

2Ti 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
 

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So what do you make of this "coming Kingdom" business? IMO, your eschatological outlook needs a total overhaul. Your Kingdom model is wildly at variance with that so described biblically.

Mat 25:34
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:

Mar 14:25
Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Luk 22:29
And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me;
Luk 22:30
That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

2Ti 4:1
I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
A question for you...Daniel 2...does God set up an eternal kingdom? If so, when does He do it?
 

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A question for you...Daniel 2...does God set up an eternal kingdom? If so, when does He do it?
Yes. Easy answer.
We and the creation are "waiting" "until" "the end", when "they shall see" Jesus as King "coming in the clouds" "in that day" to wage war, defeating the armies of the beast who come against Israel, then to regather His brethren "the second time", whereupon He will "sit upon the throne of His glory" so located in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (this must needs occur BEFORE the DOTL/SC, and will usher in the Kingdom age...its part of the package.)

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Heb 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Act 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luk 22:16
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Mar 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
 

cv5

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A question for you...Daniel 2...does God set up an eternal kingdom? If so, when does He do it?
And where exactly do you fit this verse into your pseudo-Yurga long-ages infinitesimal gradualism model?

2Pe 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
 

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Our god is eternal we all agree on that ! He has no beginning no end . When did He not have a kingdom. When was Jesus not the King of kings?
 

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Yes. Easy answer.
We and the creation are "waiting" "until" "the end", when "they shall see" Jesus as King "coming in the clouds" "in that day" to wage war, defeating the armies of the beast who come against Israel, then to regather His brethren "the second time", whereupon He will "sit upon the throne of His glory" so located in the Temple in Jerusalem.

Rom 8:19
For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.

Rom 8:23
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body. (this must needs occur BEFORE the DOTL/SC, and will usher in the Kingdom age...its part of the package.)

2Th 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

Heb 1:13
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

Rom 11:25
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

Act 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Luk 21:24
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

Luk 22:16
For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

Mar 14:62
And Jesus said, I am: and ye shall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.

Mar 13:26
And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

Isa 11:11
And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

Zec 9:16
And the LORD their God shall save them in that day as the flock of his people: for they shall be as the stones of a crown, lifted up as an ensign upon his land.

Mat 19:28
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Mat 25:31
When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
Since you say yes, when was the time that occurred according to Daniel 2?
 

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Since you say yes, when was the time that occurred according to Daniel 2?
44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”
 

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Since you say yes, when was the time that occurred according to Daniel 2?
Ball is in your court friend. If you think you can dispute my last few posts.....have at it.

BTW....what you utterly fail to understand is that very much of these OT prophecies have been RIGHTLY INTERPRETED by the commentary of the New Testament writers. We all know to a VERY high degree of confidence (which you lack BTW) the right meaning of what Daniel wrote so long ago.

You are stuck in a ditch. Everyone is throwing you a tow-line. I suggest you take them and right yourself.

Lingering like a revenant in this new age pseudo-evolutionary phantasm world of your own making is the worst thing you could do.
Especially given the dire nature of these last days, so ripe for judgement.
 

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44 And in the days of these kings the God of heaven will set up a kingdom which shall never be destroyed; and the kingdom shall not be left to other people; it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand forever. 45 Inasmuch as you saw that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it broke in pieces the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold—the great God has made known to the king what will come to pass after this. The dream is certain, and its interpretation is sure.”
What is the time period in history?
 

Cameron143

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Ball is in your court friend. If you think you can dispute my last few posts.....have at it.

BTW....what you utterly fail to understand is that very much of these OT prophecies have been RIGHTLY INTERPRETED by the commentary of the New Testament writers. We all know to a VERY high degree of confidence (which you lack BTW) the right meaning of what Daniel wrote so long ago.

You are stuck in a ditch. Everyone is throwing you a tow-line. I suggest you take them and right yourself.

Lingering like a revenant in this new age pseudo-evolutionary phantasm world of your own making is the worst thing you could do.
Especially given the dire nature of these last days, so ripe for judgement.
If you don't want to answer when in history this refers to that's fine. But the answer makes a difference to understanding subsequent history and proper understanding of prophesy.
 

cv5

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What is the time period in history?
You may not realize it, but I don't think there are very many who are buying what you are selling around these parts.
 

cv5

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If you don't want to answer when in history this refers to that's fine. But the answer makes a difference to understanding subsequent history and proper understanding of prophesy.
Well......talk is cheap and opinions are a dime a dozen. I have never seen anything that you and Beckie have proffered that is the slightest bit convincing. The input from your end amounts to not much more than a vacuous echo chamber with zero proof texts.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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It says during the 4th empire. When was that?
No, it says during the empire of Iron and clay.. The 4th empire was the empire of Iron..

The rock hits the empire of Iron and clay, and in it, All the other empires crumble

again, If you think it is past. when did it happen? When was a kingdom of ten kings who followed the 1 king which resembled the roman empire destroyed in history?
 

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You may not realize it, but I don't think there are very many who are buying what you are selling around these parts.
Again...no answer. Just more denigrating.
 

Cameron143

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No, it says during the empire of Iron and clay.. The 4th empire was the empire of Iron..

The rock hits the empire of Iron and clay, and in it, All the other empires crumble

again, If you think it is past. when did it happen? When was a kingdom of ten kings who followed the 1 king which resembled the roman empire destroyed in history?
Right...during the Roman empire.