Salvation is for the Whole World

[The_Watchers_2017]

The real tragedy is people believe mostly in their guarantees like Eternal Life and Salvation.

Only few unwrap the Gifts of the Holy Spirit and the fine print writing expanding upon how we live Victorious and our lives are being Blessed at all times and get too wrapped up in trials to live in absolute Peace.

 

[Magenta]

Really? Did Saul have to accept it to receive it?

He didn't reject it. As you say, it has to be one or the other! You say if anything is done at all then it is
not grace. Your jumping from one extreme to another allows for no room for God to move as He wills.

 

[rogerg]

He didn't reject it. Yet you say if anything is done at all then it is not grace. Your
jumping from one extreme to another allows no room for God to move as He wills.

Sorry your reply doesn't make sense to me. God moves as He wills to, that was my whole point - it's His will, not ours.
Saul certainly wasn't looking for Christ or wanting to believe in Christ when he was converted. Just the opposite, his mission was
to imprison and torture Christians.

 

[Magenta]

Sorry your reply doesn't make sense to me. God moves as He wills to, that was my whole point - it's His will, not ours.
Saul certainly wasn't looking for Christ or wanting to believe in Christ when he was converted. Just the opposite, his mission was
to imprison and torture Christians.

Did Saul accept or not? Don't overlook my point, since you say if anyone does anything at all it is not grace.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Sorry your reply doesn't make sense to me. God moves as He wills to, that was my whole point - it's His will, not ours

And yet you BLATANTLY IGNORE the fact that "God is not willing that any should perish, but that ALL should come to repentance". That too is God's will. But you pick and choose "God's will" to justify your false doctrines. What if it is God's will that people like yourself abandon your false beliefs? Would you dodge God's will?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Really? Did Saul have to accept it to receive it?

Saul to Paul?

Ever read the Bible, especially the New Testament?

He wrote 2/3rds of it.

God had a UNIQUE Plan for Him. GOD ALREADY KNEW Saul was devoted to God. God just changed his mind because God had a Plan to Send His Invitation by making Paul a true Missionary and Churches established that the Gospel of Christ would survive and continue onward.


God has no need for another Paul to rewrite anything more.

That was a Special Event!


You were NEVER intruded by God making you do a single thing like becoming Saved.

 

[HeIsHere]

What does this mean?

[2Co 4:4 KJV] 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Verses plucked out of their surrounding text once again. Tsk Tsk!!!

He wrote a whole letter you know and typically Paul was making a central point.

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Cor 3:16

Calvinism is the message of DOOM and GLOOM.

Not only are people born spiritual corpses, completely morally incapable of responding to God's truth, they also have Satan who puts on blinders and ear plugs for extra measure.

Wow God really doesn't anyone but His selected to be saved.

Dead means separated by the way, NOT morally incapable.

 

[CorrectiveLens]

I am talking humanity was created to make decisions naturally towards the moral side since Adam.

Humans are capable of Accepting God when He invites them.

No One is made and forced to Accept God.

Salvation is a state of being. When you receive the Holy Spirit of the Father and Son, you become a new person full of love for God and love for people. When you are led by the Holy Spirit and your motivation for every thought and action is this divine love, you will be obeying the Spirit of the Law on which the Letter of the Law is based. The new focus is love and doing the will of the Father because of this love. I am amazed at how many people still don't get it. God has made it easy for us ( those who have this state of being).
Repentance, faith, and being filled with the Holy Spirit's love for God and people are state of beings. The free gift is a state of being. You can't refuse the gift because you are already in that state of being. I can just see you in heaven and someone asking you, " How did you get here?" , and you replying, " I got here on my own because I made the right choice." According to scripture, no flesh will boast in heaven.

 

[aa31000]

For His ministry on earth, God emptied Himself of His glory and took on Himself the role of a man - nevertheless, He remained God.
Jesus IS God. Are you trying to say otherwise?

Rev 3:12

 

[aa31000]

No, that is not at all what the verse is saying. It is saying unsaved (natural) man, by the fact he is natural man, cannot understand
things spiritual. It is not because of their religion but because of their unsaved state; that is, in order for man to understand things of the Spirit, he must have the Spirit. Unsaved man does not.

[1Co 2:12, 14 KJV]
12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. ...
14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

99% on earth are being mislead --many of them think they are serving God. Like the ones here Jesus mentions-Matt 7:22-23

 

[aa31000]

Gods view of a cult counts for the best view-- A house divided( 40,000 trinity religions) will not stand--They fail this true mark 100%--1Cor 1:10--Unity of thought( all of Gods 1 truth) no division.

 

[Cameron143]

99% on earth are being mislead --many of them think they are serving God. Like the ones here Jesus mentions-Matt 7:22-23

Where do you get the 99% figure from?

 

[rogerg]

But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.
2 Cor 3:16

Paul didn't write the Bible, God did - each and every word of it. You should not trivialize any of it.

Did you not notice the "where the Spirit of the Lord is", part? The Spirit is given only to those whom God makes born-again - being born again is how/when/if they turn to the Lord. In other words, should they do so, it was not of themselves but of God. Natural man of themselves cannot comprehend things spiritual, and therefore, they are unable to turn to the Lord.

[1Co 2:14 KJV] 14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.

 

[rogerg]

Saul to Paul?

Ever read the Bible, especially the New Testament?

He wrote 2/3rds of it.

God had a UNIQUE Plan for Him. GOD ALREADY KNEW Saul was devoted to God. God just changed his mind because God had a Plan to Send His Invitation by making Paul a true Missionary and Churches established that the Gospel of Christ would survive and continue onward.


God has no need for another Paul to rewrite anything more.

That was a Special Event!


You were NEVER intruded by God making you do a single thing like becoming Saved.

Saul was never devoted to the true God. The god that Saul served was Satan as Saul's work was the work of Satan -
and you're adding your own doctrine to the Bible - it says nothing about God choosing Saul because He knew Saul was devoted to Him.
You should not do that.
The point was that Saul never sought God, but that God sought Saul - Saul did nothing to become saved - God changed him
turning him into Paul in-spite of everything that he had done. It is the same with everyone who becomes saved - God seeks them out and changes them.

 

[rogerg]

99% on earth are being mislead --many of them think they are serving God. Like the ones here Jesus mentions-Matt 7:22-23

See my prior reply to you. They cannot, not, be misled because natural man cannot comprehend things spiritual - those things which are taught only by the Holy Spirit.

 

[rogerg]

Rev 3:12

[1Jo 5:4 KJV] 4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, [even] our faith.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Saul was never devoted to the true God. The god that Saul served was Satan as Saul's work was the work of Satan -
and you're adding your own doctrine to the Bible - it says nothing about God choosing Saul because He knew Saul was devoted to Him.
You should not do that.
The point was that Saul never sought God, but that God sought Saul - Saul did nothing to become saved - God changed him
turning him into Paul in-spite of everything that he had done. It is the same with everyone who becomes saved - God seeks them out and changes them.

The Bible says Paul claims to be Pharisee of Pharisees. Saul would have been doing specifically what the Law and Commandments instructed him to do.

He's really doing what God Commanded him to live before the New Covenant went into effect.

You really are shallow on knowledge and basically spouting off Scripture you personally chosen that's been taken out of context. When you read the Verses before and After the Scripture you CHERRY PICKED it's easy to see how misleading you actually are.

 

[aa31000]

Where do you get the 99% figure from?

Ever since the fall in Eden-99% mislead, the only time that may be a little smaller is when Israel stood strong. But they fell over and over. Jesus compared these last days to Noahs day( 99.9% mislead) Luke 17:26)

 

[aa31000]

See my prior reply to you. They cannot, not, be misled because natural man cannot comprehend things spiritual - those things which are taught only by the Holy Spirit.

There are many false religions serving false gods , Satan is posing as all the false gods. 99% of all religion claiming to be christian do not listen to Jesus let alone obey him.

 

[rogerg]

The Bible says Paul claims to be Pharisee of Pharisees. Saul would have been doing specifically what the Law and Commandments instructed him to do.

He's really doing what God Commanded him to live before the New Covenant went into effect.

No, he wasn't.
Based upon what you've said about Saul, it is apparent that you know neither the Bible nor its gospel.
Salvation by Christ was always "in effect". There was never any time when it wasn't, nor was there ever any other way to salvation. Following the laws/rituals of the Jewish religion could never bring salvation to anyone and were anathema to God because they were based upon man's works not Christ's. Everyone, from OT through NT, were saved the exactly the same way - by Christ alone. The Jewish religion found no favor with God. At its best, it could only serve as a symbol of the true but was not itself the true. The Jews
could not comprehend that and trusted in it for salvation thereby brining the wrath of God upon themselves.

[Eze 20:25 KJV]
25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes [that were] not good, and judgments whereby they should not live;

[Heb 10:4, 6 KJV]
4 For [it is] not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. ...
6 In burnt offerings and [sacrifices] for sin thou hast had no pleasure.