Another shooting. Defending the indefensible.

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Cameron143

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No, it's not OK. But surely any life saved is worth it? Vehicles are required to have airbags, seat belts and are tested for how well occupants can survive a crash. Cars would be far cheaper if all those requirements were scrapped. Some people will die anyway. Is that a reason to ditch all safety requirements?
Those safety features are there because insurance companies lobbied for them. Their bean counters figured it was cheaper to lobby lawmakers than pay expensive claims. Their interest just happened to coincide with the publics for a change.
 

Eli1

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Those safety features are there because insurance companies lobbied for them. Their bean counters figured it was cheaper to lobby lawmakers than pay expensive claims. Their interest just happened to coincide with the publics for a change.
:LOL: Like the NRA lobby?
 

cv5

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If you want to save lives, put law enforcement in the school. Allow trained teachers to concealed carry. Making schools or any place gun free makes it an easy target. Don't settle for a few. Protect them all.
Advertising a locale or facility as gun free is the epitome of woke suicidal behavior.
Because the criminals, who will ALWAYS obtain guns illegally, will see it as a target rich, risk free environment.
 

cv5

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Yes, this is what my team of lawyers would argue so I can keep my tank.
Either create a perfect society with no murder OR I’m not giving up my tank !
Wow......it sounds like you just had an epiphany.

Now get out there and arm yourself to the teeth like a good old-fashioned red-blooded American should. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
 
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If you really think that armed civilians could do anything to defend against a modern army, you are deluded. The next generation of soldiers will be armed drones or robots. The weapons used against civilians will be fired from the air or 50 km away. You will hear but not see the shell or missile that flattens your home and maybe you with it. This is not 1789. We need God's protection and power, not the NRA.
A real life Terminator movie future.
And in that film there was armed revolt. :)

God gave life to Colonel Colt.None are so blind as those so arrogant in their ignorance as to think inalienable rights are out of date.

No, this isn't 1789. It's 2023 where 28 year old former Christian school tranny's bring semiautomatic rifles into that school and slaughter little children and adults without hesitation or conscience.

While armed citizens who were also police ended the life of a shooter who already had taken 6.
Our police are armed still.

And what can't be forgotten is every member of the Executive branch of government who are police and military are first our sons, daughters, mom's, dad's, husbands and wives.

We the people are not outnumbered by police and military. We are the police and military.
 
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Advertising a locale or facility as gun free is the epitome of woke suicidal behavior.
Because the criminals, who will ALWAYS obtain guns illegally, will see it as a target rich, risk free environment.
It has been reported over the years that locations where school shooters opened up on innocent people featured GUN FREE ZONE signs all about the campus.

And then there was this. A Christian school campus.
Not the only school to do this.
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Arkansas School Erects Sign To Deter Gunmen
 
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If you want to save lives, put law enforcement in the school. Allow trained teachers to concealed carry. Making schools or any place gun free makes it an easy target. Don't settle for a few. Protect them all.
Or, as in one school shooting, don't presume an armed law enforcement officer will act.

Sheriff's deputy Scot Peterson,the only armed person on campus besides the shooter, hid during a school shooting.

https://news.yahoo.com/trial-approaches-deputy-accused-hiding-170300839.html
 

HealthAndHappiness

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A real life Terminator movie future.
And in that film there was armed revolt. :)

God gave life to Colonel Colt.None are so blind as those so arrogant in their ignorance as to think inalienable rights are out of date.

No, this isn't 1789. It's 2023 where 28 year old former Christian school tranny's bring semiautomatic rifles into that school and slaughter little children and adults without hesitation or conscience.

While armed citizens who were also police ended the life of a shooter who already had taken 6.
Our police are armed still.

And what can't be forgotten is every member of the Executive branch of government who are police and military are first our sons, daughters, mom's, dad's, husbands and wives.

We the people are not outnumbered by police and military. We are the police and military.
It certainly was understood as that long ago.
The populace has been gradually conquered from within. I hate to admit it, but it's obvious now looking back at the Bill of Rights and writings of the signers.

For argument sake, if this were a Baptist school where teachers might actually carry a weapon, law abiding teachers don't want to face a possible felony due to the 1,000 foot rule. Of course the potential murderers are deranged, immoral psychos on state licensed physician Rx drugs, don't care about any violations of weapons on school property laws. Their only deterrent is effective physical resistance that may lead to pain or death.
The states deny the responsible adults that ability , hence aiding and abetting the mass murdering criminals by threatening said teachers and parents. Those parents and teachers, have the God given responsibility to protect their children from sodomites harm.
That should alert them to this dilemma.
At home, the risk goes down, even though a stinking psycho tried to break in recently.
In the Name of the Almighty, that man would have been broken. My prayer was answered though and I caught him.
Thank YOU LORD!
 

PennEd

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Your unfounded conspiracy claims are proven to be false.
Founded!!!
Pure, absolute math.
Australia had 141,116 deaths in 2020 BEFORE the lethal injections. Which is right in line with the % of deaths for the previous 5 years.

In 2022, after virtually the whole country were injected with the mRNA gene shots, Australia had 174,717 deaths!

33,601 EXCESS deaths above the statistical baseline!

Maybe you will believe those telling the truth in your own government:

Australian Senator Alex Antic on the catastrophic excess death statistics (rumble.com)
 

PennEd

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We do not have a bill of rights.
Horrific! Cause ya know, history has proven that Governments have always had the best interests of their citizens at heart!

Do you not know what the Bible says about obeying the authorities?
So I am to understand that you would have turned in your neighbors that harbored and kept Jews safe in Nazi Germany? Cause the Government Law was that you were a criminal, to be punished for hiding Jews.

And a gun won't help you when you are facing a Bradley or an Apache helicopter.
This has always been a ridiculous argument. Every grass roots insurgency in history has always had inferior weaponry.

Look what happened with the Taliban in Afghanistan. They had guns but no planes or tanks. Guess what they have now?
They wouldn't have that if not for guns.

You also discount the % of Military personnel that would defect with their weapons depending on the merits of a conflict. Without a viable, armed militia, that would not happen.
 

shittim

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If you came across a landslip blocking the road, what would you do? It's inanimate. It's not an issue of blame, it's what you do about it. Doing nothing means the road stays blocked. Doing nothing about guns means more people are being killed. That includes schoolkids. You could turn every school into a fortress. Or you could limit the access of guns by type and stop the nut jobs getting hold of them. It works. I'm not advocating zero guns. That's impracticable. I am advocating zero AR15 or similar weapons with high fire rates and large magazines.

It used to be difficult to shoot accurately with a high powered rifle. I know, I spent a day missing targets with a 7.62 mm SLR. My shoulder was black and blue the next day. Modern rifles have much less recoil and the untrained can fire accurately and as fast as they can pull the trigger. Sure, a gun is inanimate. So is a car. You need a licence to drive a car. Or is that a civil rights issue too? Should the requirement to learn to drive be scrapped?

Bad analogy.(n):unsure::coffee::(
 

shittim

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How should we outlaw Russia's missiles to deter them from invading a disarmed population?
Russia already signed a pact to not invade Ukraine if they gave up the nuke missiles from the Soviet era.:unsure::)
So, you see, we have a heavily armed bully attacking a less heavily armed victim country.
 

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The populace has been gradually conquered from within. I hate to admit it, but it's obvious now looking back at the Bill of Rights and writings of the signers.
Looks like Elon Musk was all about "free speech" until it is no longer convenient to let free speech take its course. So Musk wants to have it both ways. Now he is censoring discussions about this shooting (plus other kinds of censorship). Also he did not clean out that nest of vipers so someone released Twitter's source code (partially) just a couple of days ago.

Politicians, journalists are locked out of Twitter for tweets about trans shooter targeting Nashville Christian school
https://www.infowars.com/posts/poli...shooter-targeting-nashville-christian-school/

It seems that this trans shooter had a grudge about being sent to that school. Which brings up the question "Why do Christian schools allow all and sundry to become students?" In my opinion, Christian schools should be limited to kids who have professed their faith in Christ, and likewise teachers who are sincere Christians. This is by definition of "Christian", and it is in fact a ministry to Christian parents and children. At the same time all government handouts should be shunned, and governments at all levels must be told to stay out of that which is a free exercise of religious beliefs. But if Christian schools have not learned anything from all the mass shooting within schools, it means that their administrators are not paying attention to what is really going on.
 

Nehemiah6

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So, you see, we have a heavily armed bully attacking a less heavily armed victim country.
This is what the Western governments and the corrupt media would have you believe. What everyone forgets is that Joe Biden was actually inciting Putin to go to war (in many different ways) over one year ago. This is Biden's war, not Putin's. Now that China has come up with a peace plan what does the Biden administration do? Try to sabotage it and keep the war going. Does the West care about the poor Ukrainians? Not in the least. This is a proxy war for a sham reason. It will keep everyone distracted from the SYSTEMATIC DESTRUCTION OF AMERICA.
 

shittim

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Putin started the war, yes there is a lot the ccp owned dems are doing to promote ww3.
 

Eli1

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Wow......it sounds like you just had an epiphany.

Now get out there and arm yourself to the teeth like a good old-fashioned red-blooded American should. You have everything to gain and nothing to lose.
Yes, I’m justifying and defending my gun addiction.
‘In fact, as any good Protestant does, I even searched the Bible to support my addiction and I found this verse:

And he said to them, “When I sent you out with no moneybag or knapsack or sandals, did you lack anything?” They said, “Nothing.” He said to them, “But now let the one who has a moneybag take it, and likewise a knapsack. And let the one who has no sword sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this Scripture must be fulfilled in me: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors.’ For what is written about me has its fulfillment.” And they said, “Look, Lord, here are two swords.” And he said to them, “It is enough.”


Sometimes I wonder if people coming here to this site and confessing addictions … I wonder if they’ve searched verses enough to support their position.
‘Oh well.
 

Nehemiah6

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Putin started the war, yes there is a lot the ccp owned dems are doing to promote ww3.
Had Ukraine and Europe put up a proper defense barrier along the western border of Russia, Putin would not have gone to war. They all had eight years since 2014 to get their act together. So why blame Putin? And what about the totally useless wars in Iraq and Afghanistan which were started by the USA? What about those war crimes?
 

shittim

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Ukraine had the promise Russia would not attack if they gave up the nukes.