Man-made traditions/Man is represented by the number 6

[Everlasting-Grace]

How do you prove your beliefs?

2 Timothy 2:15

study to show yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

 

[Grace911]

romans 11:
25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own [f]opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. 26 And so all Israel will be [g]saved, as it is written:

“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
27 For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

God is not done with Israel..

Moses said cursed is the one who does not confirm and obey every word of this law.

Perfection is required my friend. If you have not kept the law completely. You have not kept the law. period.

James 2:10

For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Only one man has kept the law. and that is the man Christ Jesus

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[Cameron143]

Do you have laws of the land where you live? You are then yoked, are you not? If you drive and exceed the speed limit and are stopped and ticket and fine, are you still free to do as you believe is right? Who put these conditions on you? I'm not the po-po telling you that you broke the law, I'm just warning you that you can break the law, but their are consequences. It doesn't take away your citizenship, it is just a consequence.

Punishment for Disobedience
Lev 26:14 - 43

Lev 26:14 But if ye will not hearken unto me, and will not do all these commandments;
Lev 26:15 And if ye shall despise my statutes, or if your soul abhor my judgments, so that ye will not do all my commandments, but that ye break my covenant:
Lev 26:16 I also will do this unto you; I will even appoint over you terror, consumption, and the burning ague, that shall consume the eyes, and cause sorrow of heart: and ye shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.

Mat_11:15 He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat_13:9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mat_13:43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_4:9 And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_4:23 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Mar_7:16 If any man have ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk_8:8 And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.
Luk_14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Sure there is correction for disobedience. That's not the issue. I'm not advocating breaking the law. Go back and read. My objection from the outset was for things that are lawful not to be placed on people as though they are unlawful.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

2 Timothy 2:15

study to show yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

2 Timothy 3:16

All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,

Amen!

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

explain with example what these 2 Verses mean to you?

 

[Grace911]

Grace911 said: Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

explain with example what these 2 Verses mean to you?

Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Man-made tradition = a stage and an audience = the audience can say "Amen" or "Hallelujah" at the speaker on the stage. If you believe the speaker as guiding you down the path you should go, and never search out the scriptures to see if it is so, you are willingly in ignorance. But if your heart of stone is taken away and you hear and see the truth, then you are now responsible for the way you go, for your actions, for your fruit you are known by.

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psa_119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Jer_16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

James said if you stumble..your guilty

I would not worry about why I sinned, If your going to put youself under the law. You better worry about the fact you have sinned.

 

[Grace911]

James said if you stumble..your guilty

I would not worry about why I sinned, If your going to put youself under the law. You better worry about the fact you have sinned.

Are you saying the Word contradicts?

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

Grace911 said: Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, Hebrews 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.



Luk 12:43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
Luk 12:44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.
Luk 12:45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken;
Luk 12:46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers.
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Man-made tradition = a stage and an audience = the audience can say "Amen" or "Hallelujah" at the speaker on the stage. If you believe the speaker as guiding you down the path you should go, and never search out the scriptures to see if it is so, you are willingly in ignorance. But if your heart of stone is taken away and you hear and see the truth, then you are now responsible for the way you go, for your actions, for your fruit you are known by.

Psa_119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.
Psa_119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Jer_16:19 O LORD, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, the Gentiles shall come unto thee from the ends of the earth, and shall say, Surely our fathers have inherited lies, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.

Mat_5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

excellent response.

but i guess my question was not so clear. i want you to explain by example of someone knowing God, them sinning to the point they recrucify Him and following Verse wraps it all up. Tell me of a HUMAN experience between them self and God and those 2 Scriptures paint the picture of what you are seeing this as in terms of... what do those specific Verses mean to you and you want us to understand?

is this an offense that is never resolved?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Are you saying the Word contradicts?

I could ask you the same question.

Because in your verse. it contradicts james using your interpretation

Mot to mention Moses demanded perfection. And paul confirmed that was a fact in galations 3. so we have three people. all saying if you stumble in just one point. Your guilty.. period..

 

[Blik]

No one can keep the law. If we could Christ would not need to die.

Anyone who says we can keep the law is putting a man made tradition. The law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.

The jew missed the sign, because they thought they were ok. when they were not.

That we cannot keep the law is no excuse for not doing our best to keep the law. Christ died for us because we could not keep the law, but when we accept Christ to forgive our sins we are to repent of those sins we ask Christ to forgive.

 

[Grace911]

excellent response.

but i guess my question was not so clear. i want you to explain by example of someone knowing God, them sinning to the point they recrucify Him and following Verse wraps it all up. Tell me of a HUMAN experience between them self and God and those 2 Scriptures paint the picture of what you are seeing this as in terms of... what do those specific Verses mean to you and you want us to understand?

is this an offense that is never resolved?

There is an Old Testament story that comes to mind. King David had a heart and love for the LORD/YHWH. He lived when there was still Levites to man the sacrificial system. However, King David committed a wilful sin of adultery and murder. There is no sacrifice for willful sins. Only a heart felt repentance and a desire to turn from that way of sunfullness will suffice.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

That we cannot keep the law is no excuse for not doing our best to keep the law. Christ died for us because we could not keep the law, but when we accept Christ to forgive our sins we are to repent of those sins we ask Christ to forgive.

Better yet

instead of tryign to keep a law you not only can't keep but was not given to show you how to keep it.

Keep the law of Christ, where you can keep it..

 

[Grace911]

That we cannot keep the law is no excuse for not doing our best to keep the law. Christ died for us because we could not keep the law, but when we accept Christ to forgive our sins we are to repent of those sins we ask Christ to forgive.

It's true, those of the first covenant did not stay faithful and went whoring after other gods. Even though the whole House said "we will keep all the commandments of the LORD" basically, saying "I do" to the marriage contract, they were not faithful and eventually the ten tribers/House of Israel were taken into captivity and then dispersed/scattered throughout the whole world, forgetting who they were and forgetting the LORD. The LORD divorced them because they did not keep the "Law". Which law specifically did they break?

Thou shall have no other gods before thee. Thou shall not commit adultery. Remember the Sabbaths and guard them and keep them holy.

So why did Jesus have to come? Immanuel is God with us. Jesus is the Word that has always been with us. He came so that He could be the perfect lamb, slaughtered for our Passover from death to life. He came as the firstfruits of the Barley Wave Sheath, beaten and smitten and dying so that He could raise back to life (after 3 days and 3 nights). So much shadowing, He was all those things, so that we could come back to our first husband.

Released from the Law
Rom 7:1 Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?
Rom 7:2 For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Rom 7:3 So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Rom 7:4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

The ten tribers/House of Israel, although a remnant, come back to the Kingdom, one LORD, one nation, one law for all. We are at the close of the 6th millennial day. Not much time is left. Come out of her, my people. Come out of serving other gods, even so ignorance. Halloween, Sun worship, Easter, Christmas, and to the Jews, Purim and Channukah. Come back to the LORD's ways, and walk as a bride, keeping the new covenant with the aid of the Holy Spirit to give you the desire to obey. This is what was lacking in the first covenant, even though it too was presented on Pentecost day. The Good News is that we can remarry the LORD because our first husband, died, but then He resurrected so that we can come back into covenant with Him.

 

[Grace911]

Better yet

instead of tryign to keep a law you not only can't keep but was not given to show you how to keep it.

Keep the law of Christ, where you can keep it..

My testimony, I thought pretty much same as you, but I kept asking God over and over what so many scriptures meant. Then one day, while driving in my car and listening to the Christian radio station, I heard a message that the weekly Sabbath, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown was never changed. I had never heard that before, but it made sense to me. This started me down a path of researching on the internet and the more I did this, the more I understood it. So, I was renting a room a year later, and I stayed and observed the Sabbath every week. Later I moved, and when I did I found a bunch of Sabbath Keepers/Torah Observant Keepers. We had a reading portion of Torah each week and we discussed the deeper meanings. Iron sharpening iron. Wisdom being poured out and I also had a major health issue that greatly improved with the weekly remembering of the Sabbath, doing no work, refraining from buying or selling. It was simple. I love these people who are also trying to live the way, the life, and with the light of understanding.

We are each on a journey, given talents to share with others, to strengthen each other in the LORD. I was once a "once saved, always saved" who walked the aisle of the church to accept Jesus as my Lord and my Saviour. I was raised in a protestant church and I loved Biible Study. I failed in so many ways through the years, but I kept coming back to this one verse in Isaiah

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

It's what is in our heart, are we chosen. Then we must act like it. I only want to wish Shalom to the travelers in these end times.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

My testimony, I thought pretty much same as you, but I kept asking God over and over what so many scriptures meant. Then one day, while driving in my car and listening to the Christian radio station, I heard a message that the weekly Sabbath, Friday sundown to Saturday sundown was never changed. I had never heard that before, but it made sense to me. This started me down a path of researching on the internet and the more I did this, the more I understood it. So, I was renting a room a year later, and I stayed and observed the Sabbath every week. Later I moved, and when I did I found a bunch of Sabbath Keepers/Torah Observant Keepers. We had a reading portion of Torah each week and we discussed the deeper meanings. Iron sharpening iron. Wisdom being poured out and I also had a major health issue that greatly improved with the weekly remembering of the Sabbath, doing no work, refraining from buying or selling. It was simple. I love these people who are also trying to live the way, the life, and with the light of understanding.

We are each on a journey, given talents to share with others, to strengthen each other in the LORD. I was once a "once saved, always saved" who walked the aisle of the church to accept Jesus as my Lord and my Saviour. I was raised in a protestant church and I loved Biible Study. I failed in so many ways through the years, but I kept coming back to this one verse in Isaiah

Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isa 1:19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land:
Isa 1:20 But if ye refuse and rebel, ye shall be devoured with the sword: for the mouth of the LORD hath spoken it.

It's what is in our heart, are we chosen. Then we must act like it. I only want to wish Shalom to the travelers in these end times.

we keep a sabbath because the lord said to rest.

My point is the law was not given to show you how to live, it was given to expose to you how bad you live

if anyone looks to the law and thinks they are a good person. The law has not trained them well. and they do not understand the law

 

[Grace911]

we keep a sabbath because the lord said to rest.

My point is the law was not given to show you how to live, it was given to expose to you how bad you live

if anyone looks to the law and thinks they are a good person. The law has not trained them well. and they do not understand the law

Rev_12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

 

[Grace911]

we keep a sabbath because the lord said to rest.

My point is the law was not given to show you how to live, it was given to expose to you how bad you live

if anyone looks to the law and thinks they are a good person. The law has not trained them well. and they do not understand the law

A Kingdom needs the following:

A King or Queen with the right to rule
Land/Territory
People/Citizens
Laws/Regulations
Pledge allegiance
Enforcement/Punishment

Are you a good citizen, an upright standing fellow? Have you become part of the Commonwealth of Israel? Who is your king? Where is you home? Do you have rights? Are you safe? Do you have a family and children? Do you teach them the rules of your house? Come now and let us reason together, ... you are loved by the LORD...He will wash you clean and make you His Bride if you are willing and obedient. But if His rules are too harsh, you may leave the Kingdom and go your own way. There are no prison bars. You are not enslaved. Laws are necessary. Only rebels refuse to obey and rebels always get into trouble, if they would just stop being rebels.

And what was said to King Saul? 1Sa_15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

There is an Old Testament story that comes to mind. King David had a heart and love for the LORD/YHWH. He lived when there was still Levites to man the sacrificial system. However, King David committed a wilful sin of adultery and murder. There is no sacrifice for willful sins. Only a heart felt repentance and a desire to turn from that way of sunfullness will suffice.

well done in your research AND understanding of the context and Word of God.

God is Merciful if we truly have repentance for our sins, even the sins we harbor as habitual.

 

[CS1]

Name the good traditions. If you live in America or Canada perhaps Thanksgiving, but this doesn't pertain to the whole world. Christmas and Easter are also more western and not the whole world. Sunday does not pertain to the whole world. Mother's Day, Father's Day, Birthday, Grandparent's Day, Nurses Day, Teacher's Day, Veterans Day, Memorial Day. But what is the tradition(s) that apply to the whole world. It is "man-made" and draws you away from the LORD/Yeshua (who are one and the same and they do not change). If you have a tradition that you are not saved if you don't speak in tongues, dress a certain way, are repented of your sins, but yet you keep the sins that keep your comfortable traditions, like forgetting the 7th day was made for man, then you are blinded to truth. How many traditions blind us from seeing that we are lost sheep in need of being found and brought back to the fold (12 tribes). Are you taught that the Old Testament is of no longer usefull? That is a man-made tradition. Open your eyes and hear the LORD calling you back because He loves you and died and resurrected to bring you home.

LOL, it's still a tradition.

Name a good tradition?

Tradition learning to cook, do woodwork, and learn the family trade. Tradition do not have to pertain to the whole world LOL I'm sure those living in the desert have different ones then those living on an Island.