problem related to praying in tongues
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lol cessation interpretation, yeah, hard to beat a Doctrine secretly designed to be adaptable..
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In a number of your posts. We often post a simple line or verse because we know what is in our thoughts and hearts forgetting the reader is not a mind/hart reader. As for posting 1Cor 14:8 above wiht out chapter and verse was for the intent.
Please note i am not just trying to be nice when i say we . I say that because about 30 years of forums tell me it is so. We Christians tend to have our pet topics. We have our back ground knowledge often think so many others share the same.
Please note i am not just trying to be nice when i say we . I say that because about 30 years of forums tell me it is so. We Christians tend to have our pet topics. We have our back ground knowledge often think so many others share the same.
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wattie said:
Yeah the apostles were speaking in other languages they had not learned
VaROB said :
Yes.
to share God's message with people from other nations.
When a person speaks in tongues he is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2), praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14), thanking God (1 Cor 14:17), not sharing the gospel.
I think the issue those in Acts 2:11 heard their own langues being spoken
"we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."
in this contact, I do not see that tongues could not be used to share the gospel in this text. Because they heard the works of GOD.
I agree with you as normative it is not so.
wattie said:
Yeah the apostles were speaking in other languages they had not learned
VaROB said :
Yes.
to share God's message with people from other nations.
When a person speaks in tongues he is speaking to God (1 Cor 14:2), praying in the spirit (1 Cor 14:14), thanking God (1 Cor 14:17), not sharing the gospel.
I think the issue those in Acts 2:11 heard their own langues being spoken
"we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God."
in this contact, I do not see that tongues could not be used to share the gospel in this text. Because they heard the works of GOD.
I agree with you as normative it is not so.
''These are the ones who cause divisions, who are worldly and devoid of the Spirit. 20But you, beloved, by building yourselves up in your most holy faith and praying in the Holy Spirit, 21keep yourselves in the love of God as you await the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you eternal life.…' Jude 1:20
Can this SCRIPTURE be misinterpreted..... or just taken at face value?
Can this SCRIPTURE be misinterpreted..... or just taken at face value?
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Right so we are looking at different parts of the Bible.. me at acts 2.. and yourself at 1corinthians.
They do not contradict but are in different settings.
Acts 2 definitely is for the purpose of spreading Christianity to other nations.
Especially for the Jews.
So the question is what the difference is when we speak of the Corinthians
They do not contradict but are in different settings.
Acts 2 definitely is for the purpose of spreading Christianity to other nations.
Especially for the Jews.
So the question is what the difference is when we speak of the Corinthians
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They were speaking the "wonderful works of God." In Acts 10, Cornelius was "magnifying God." 1 Cor 14:2 says that when a peson speaks in tongues they are speaking "to" God. 1 Cor 14:17 says they are "giving thanks well."
I do not see anyplace in the Bible that says or suggests that speaking in tongues is used for sharing the gospel.
I do not see anyplace in the Bible that says or suggests that speaking in tongues is used for sharing the gospel.
Both contain speaking in tongues.
Tongues was never used for spreading the gospel.
In Acts 2, the apostles were speaking in tongues and speaking the wonderful works of God. Tongues is primarily praise and giving thanks.
In 1 Cor, Paul is addressing problems in the Corinthian church. People were all speaking in tongues at once, and tongues were not being interpreted. Paul gave them instruction on the proper usage of tongues.
Tongues was never used for spreading the gospel.
In Acts 2, the apostles were speaking in tongues and speaking the wonderful works of God. Tongues is primarily praise and giving thanks.
In 1 Cor, Paul is addressing problems in the Corinthian church. People were all speaking in tongues at once, and tongues were not being interpreted. Paul gave them instruction on the proper usage of tongues.
is agree, but the context of the unknown is a sign to them that they DO not Believe. The situation in Cornelius' home was not the same as in Acts 2:11 As it was the first time. There was no rush of mighty wind or cloven tongues of fire. Those on the day of pentacost Tongues were used to draw people to the message Peter Preached. which led to 3000 saved, did it not?
NEITHER The Assemblies of God, nor any other MAJOR pentecostal group HAS NEVER taught that "Speaking in tongues", and being "Born again of the Holy Spirit", and indwelled by Him are linked in any way.
The "Baptism in the Holy SPirit (to use AG vernacular) HAS ALWAYS been regarded as a "Second act of grace" unrelated to salvation. It's the "Oneness Pentecostals" (UPCI) that push that heresy.
The "Baptism in the Holy SPirit (to use AG vernacular) HAS ALWAYS been regarded as a "Second act of grace" unrelated to salvation. It's the "Oneness Pentecostals" (UPCI) that push that heresy.
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VARob ,, CS1 has been able to post much better what i have been trying to get to.
Personally i am not anti tongues . But i completely disagree when tongues is pushed, seen it way to many times over the years. So remembering the group huddled around a person, come on you can do, it just let it flow, there it is there it is over and over.... I do not see anything in Scripture that reads like that. Or like my Gma saying to be born again you MUST speak in tongues. Nor do i think it is Christian for either side of the tongues debate to look down on the other.
Personally i am not anti tongues . But i completely disagree when tongues is pushed, seen it way to many times over the years. So remembering the group huddled around a person, come on you can do, it just let it flow, there it is there it is over and over.... I do not see anything in Scripture that reads like that. Or like my Gma saying to be born again you MUST speak in tongues. Nor do i think it is Christian for either side of the tongues debate to look down on the other.
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Maybe not around you Bob but i sure have seen/heard it. Dad and Grandpa both AofG pastors , Gpa and Gma agreed not my dad . Few other pastors names Wood, Grogian , Mellili , The official writings of the AofG may be different. But then a lot of the early AofG writings came from Gene Scott.
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Your understanding of the New Testament is lacking. One Corinthians is an excellent letter because we can see exactly how, a first century church was formed and how it functioned. No other letter gives us a window to see, what a first century church was like.
The church is built using the gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit, not an interpretation of the scripture.
We are a spiritual people that inhabit a spiritual church.
1 Corinthians 2:4
And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power.
1 Corinthians 2:5
So that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of mankind, but on the power of God.
1 Corinthians 4:19
But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power.
Ephesians 1:19
And what is the boundless greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might.
The church is built using the gifts and ministries of the Holy Spirit, not an interpretation of the scripture.
We are a spiritual people that inhabit a spiritual church.
1 Corinthians 2:4
And my message and my preaching were not in persuasive words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power.
1 Corinthians 2:5
So that your faith would not rest on the wisdom of mankind, but on the power of God.
1 Corinthians 4:19
But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I shall find out, not the words of those who are arrogant, but their power.
Ephesians 1:19
And what is the boundless greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might.
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