Do you think transgenders go to heaven?

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PennEd

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Its actually not, when the accusation is true.

It could even be seen as an act of compassion because the person spilling the hate needs to know how it affects others and may change their ways and not commit that sin, which is much worse than transgenderism as some of might be born with transgenderism, which is something some here who say Im justifying it, do not understand. Hate on the other hand, is an evil thing. Christians who act with hate, forget in 15 minutes they could die in a car crash. And God does not tolerate haters when He himself loves everyone and forgives those who seek Him. I seek Him every night.
Yes so stop spilling hate toward me.

Why do you hate me so much?

Please stop hating me!
 

ResidentAlien

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I dont have a Bible I read regularly but I gave my life to Him as a member of the Methodist church aged 14. Following that I became, and technically am still, a member of the Baptist church.

The God I pray to and believe in is the same Christian God that you pray to and believe in.

(ED: I accidentally said "The God I spray to" lol)
If you don't read the Bible for yourself how could you possible know that? Having grown up in the Methodist church, I know firsthand that the God they teach and preach is not the true God of the Bible. The Baptist church is getting where it's not much better.

I don't really know what the point of continuing with this would be. You see yourself as transgender and believe scientific studies have given you a legitimate out. Sounds to me like you already have all the answers you need so I won't waste any more of my time or yours.
 

Nehemiah6

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No I am not a doctor but a scientist. And I know for a fact that almost all the doctors and so-called "experts" have betrayed the general public and blatantly promoted lies over the last three years. Take a look at this, which is from Principia Scientific International:

JB Pritzker, Jennifer Pritzker, & Synthetic Sex Identities
"Over the past decade, the Pritzkers of Illinois, who helped put Barack Obama in the White House and include among their number former U.S. Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker, current Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, and philanthropist Jennifer Pritzker, appear to have used a family philanthropic apparatus to drive an ideology and practice of disembodiment into our medical, legal, cultural, and educational institutions."
https://principia-scientific.com/jb-pritzker-jennifer-pritzker-synthetic-sex-identities/

So trying to confuse little kids and young people about who they are is simply a part of spiritual warfare. As far as I am concerned transgenderism is driven by demons.
 
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No I am not a doctor but a scientist. And I know for a fact that almost all the doctors and so-called "experts" have betrayed the general public and blatantly promoted lies over the last three years. Take a look at this, which is from Principia Scientific International:

JB Pritzker, Jennifer Pritzker, & Synthetic Sex Identities
"Over the past decade, the Pritzkers of Illinois, who helped put Barack Obama in the White House and include among their number former U.S. Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker, current Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, and philanthropist Jennifer Pritzker, appear to have used a family philanthropic apparatus to drive an ideology and practice of disembodiment into our medical, legal, cultural, and educational institutions."
https://principia-scientific.com/jb-pritzker-jennifer-pritzker-synthetic-sex-identities/

So trying to confuse little kids and young people about who they are is simply a part of spiritual warfare. As far as I am concerned transgenderism is driven by demons.
Just like you say this is all leftist propaganda I could also say you are a rightie denier.

As I said, only God knows each of us, and only He knows, so far, who is right and who is wrong.

Also, the scientist who are investigating aren't even Americans. So........they are probably not involved with the Pritzker, etc...

It seems to me that a lot of people in this page involve their political views to talk about religion too. Politics and Christianity most often do not mix because politicians and laws are just as imperfect and sometimes even more so, than us regular humans.
 
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No I am not a doctor but a scientist. And I know for a fact that almost all the doctors and so-called "experts" have betrayed the general public and blatantly promoted lies over the last three years. Take a look at this, which is from Principia Scientific International:

JB Pritzker, Jennifer Pritzker, & Synthetic Sex Identities
"Over the past decade, the Pritzkers of Illinois, who helped put Barack Obama in the White House and include among their number former U.S. Secretary of Commerce Penny Pritzker, current Illinois Gov. J.B. Pritzker, and philanthropist Jennifer Pritzker, appear to have used a family philanthropic apparatus to drive an ideology and practice of disembodiment into our medical, legal, cultural, and educational institutions."
https://principia-scientific.com/jb-pritzker-jennifer-pritzker-synthetic-sex-identities/

So trying to confuse little kids and young people about who they are is simply a part of spiritual warfare. As far as I am concerned transgenderism is driven by demons.
Oh yeah and let me add this: just because you're a scientist, does not mean you are always right. If you say you always are that would be the sin of pride. How many times have scientists been proven wrong? Millions of times.

It could be that you are right,, but bit could be that you are wrong and they are right. Simple as that.

Oh and wow ALMOST ALL THE DOCTORS! So you, because you are a scientist, go against what ALMOST ALL THE DOCTORS SAY..because of your own ideology. Hmnn.......that tells me a lot.
 

oyster67

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Are people with those feelings supposed to stay the way they are and remain celibate for their lives?
We are all born under a curse. We all need to go to Jesus to get things straightened out.
 

oyster67

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I dont have a Bible I read regularly but I gave my life to Him as a member of the Methodist church aged 14. Following that I became, and technically am still, a member of the Baptist church.

The God I pray to and believe in is the same Christian God that you pray to and believe in.
Welcome to CC, Jeanette. :)(y):coffee: Please feel free to ask many questions about what the Bible says. It says more about current issues than many people think. It emphasizes loving sinners but hating sin. It also emphasizes a focus on Jesus, rather than simply "God". Many religions have a "god", But Christianity is about Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross. Here are some important verses about Jesus.

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
 

oyster67

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Politics and Christianity most often do not mix
I agree with you about that. The Great Commision concerns changing hearts. Other things will follow naturally. The root of all evil is a dark heart. We are to lay the axe to the root, not just swat at the leaves. (y)
 
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Welcome to CC, Jeanette. :)(y):coffee: Please feel free to ask many questions about what the Bible says. It says more about current issues than many people think. It emphasizes loving sinners but hating sin. It also emphasizes a focus on Jesus, rather than simply "God". Many religions have a "god", But Christianity is about Jesus and what He did for us on the Cross. Here are some important verses about Jesus.

John 14:6
“Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

Revelation 3:20
“Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.”
Amen!
 
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I am a transgender woman. Been so since I was 3 years old.
My Brother, who is homosexual, married, and for some reason, he and many of those who are in his circle of friends and their connections over his coming out until today, 40+ years, claim to not accept transgenders.

What's the issue between transgenders and homosexuals?
It is humorous to see them go on about it.

You'd think you 2 groups would stick together for numbers.
 

ResidentAlien

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I hate to say it, but it looks like OSAS has claimed another victim.
 
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My Brother, who is homosexual, married, and for some reason, he and many of those who are in his circle of friends and their connections over his coming out until today, 40+ years, claim to not accept transgenders.

What's the issue between transgenders and homosexuals?
It is humorous to see them go on about it.

You'd think you 2 groups would stick together for numbers.
Im not sure lol...but one thing I know is not all homosexuals and lesbians are transgender just like not all transgenders are homosexual or lesbian.

I also have a transgender cousin (f2m) who has been married to a man for about 45 years now. They have 2 children.
 
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I hate to say it, but it looks like OSAS has claimed another victim.
You are the only victim.

You are a victim of hate and anger.

And, if you read my posts well, no I dont believe in OSAS. That is why I pray for my salvation every night. Can't we read?
 

Nehemiah6

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Oh and wow ALMOST ALL THE DOCTORS! So you, because you are a scientist, go against what ALMOST ALL THE DOCTORS SAY..because of your own ideology. Hmnn.......that tells me a lot.
Not because of my ideology but because of the actual FACTS -- scientific and medical facts, which are backed up by a very small minority of doctors and scientists (who were persecuted for standing up for the truth).

Transgenderism is a lie and also a very recent fad. But there are big bucks involved no matter how many lives are destroyed, along with women's identities, women's sports etc. But there is also a backlash against this Wokeism and let's hope is grows and grows. Bud Light is going broke because they went Woke.
 
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Hello @Jeanette .
First thing I would tell you if you’re sincere, would be to get off the internet and talk to someone in real life about this.
‘The second thing i’d like to tell you is: Have you tried looking for any churches which don’t harp on salvation all day long?
I realize this is difficult on American Protestant churches and Catholic Churches but have you tried an East Orthodox one?

This is a complex topic and without knowing your situation I would say that the point of this existence is to love God and be like Christ.
Christ forgave a prostitute and a thief on the cross but in the end He told her “Go and sin no more”.
So if you‘re worried about Salvation, it means that something inside you is telling you that there is something wrong.
So, go and find a church and sin no more.
Amen.

One thing: I don't consider transgenderism a sin, because thats how I was born.

I only worry because of what the Bible says. But I wonder if God would really punish me for something I was born as.

As I told some here, there are many studies that suggest that transgender people are born with brains more akin to the opposite sex to the ones they were born as. Without knowing or having been there to see it happen, they say those studies are paid for by the left, or this other man said he is a scientist, so he knows more than "most scientists", I am quoting him.

I want to thank you for treating me with respect and with dignity iun your answer.

I will be looking for a church, I need to return to one. Because of distance, I havent been to church since 2015. I had found a neighborhood church and become a visitor every week. Because of a medical condition I got during my years partying, my body clock is messed up and it understands night as day and day as night so I was able to attend rarely on Sunday but I attended on Wednesday for prayer service and Thursdays for Bible study as, they say, religiously, pun intended.

If, and this is a big if, its proven that those studies are right, then dressing the way vwe see each other shouldnt be considered a sin because we'd be dressing as what we are on the inside.

God bless , my friend!
 

Eli1

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But I wonder if God would really punish me for something I was born as.
Yes, this is kinda of what I was trying to get at with many churches harping on Salvation because they approach God on a fear or reward basis.
The only example we have in this life is Jesus Christ to give us Hope, Purpose, Joy and Gratitude.
So it’s important to read the Bible or people’s interpretations of the Bible in context and as a whole.
Don‘t take a line from the Bible which speaks of love and use that to support Prostitution and don’t take another line from the Bible to support guns and the Republican Party.
Think about what would Jesus do?
Would He support extremism?
Your conscience should tell you No, He wouldn’t.
 
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Not because of my ideology but because of the actual FACTS -- scientific and medical facts, which are backed up by a very small minority of doctors and scientists (who were persecuted for standing up for the truth).

Transgenderism is a lie and also a very recent fad. But there are big bucks involved no matter how many lives are destroyed, along with women's identities, women's sports etc. But there is also a backlash against this Wokeism and let's hope is grows and grows. Bud Light is going broke because they went Woke.
Persecuted by who? By people in your mind maybe.

Did you see this happen in person?

Transgenderism is not a lie, and its not a fad. It has been present since the Earth was created. You are so misinformed! Medical facts? HAHAHAHA!How about those studies? If a doctor told you you had cancer but you believe you dont have it, I suppose you wouldnt get treatment?

You are telling me that what I identify as for 47 years now is a lie? Well it feels very real to me. THE MAJORITY of SCIENTISTS AND DOCTORS asw you say, around the world overrides you. Deal with it. You are not the authority that decides what is right or wrong in medicine. I sense you have a lot of pride in your knowledge to think you and a slew of others can override what the MAJOLRITY says is right.

Get off that cloud. You are not Einstein or DaVinci. You do not know more than that majority.

I am here because I need prayer like everyone else, not to have people tell me that they know more than most scientists and that you are right and I am wrong. I would really appreciate it if you stopped right now. But I have a feeling that you wont because, hey you are the only scientist that has all the right answers, the others are wrong.
 

CS1

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Im not sure lol...but one thing I know is not all homosexuals and lesbians are transgender just like not all transgenders are homosexual or lesbian.

I also have a transgender cousin (f2m) who has been married to a man for about 45 years now. They have 2 children.
no, they are not the same but in fact, gays see Transgender as " Freaks" their term. I have ministered in SF to gays and transgender from the 1980s when Aids was the first COVID-19 Led many gays to the Lord and saw many of them die including family members. Transgender is about indemnity more than it is about sex or relationship. All of it is sin just as drunkness, adultery, and fornication.