Noah’s ark and faith

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Pilgrimshope

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God's dwelling "place" surely did not need to be created.
“In the beginning God created

the heaven

and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬

before jesus became a man

The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”

After Jesus was born lived as a man died and rose up

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the ot

“For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; From heaven did the LORD behold the earth; To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, And his praise in Jerusalem;

When the people are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: And the heavens are the work of thy hands.

They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end. The children of thy servants shall continue, And their seed shall be established before thee.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭102:19, 21-22, 25-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬



 

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“In the beginning God created

the heaven

and the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭115:16‬ ‭KJV‬‬

The LORD is in his holy temple, The LORD's throne is in heaven: His eyes behold, his eyelids try, the children of men.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭11:4‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:16‬ ‭KJV‬

before jesus became a man

The heaven, even the heavens, are the LORD's:

But the earth hath he given to the children of men.”

After Jesus was born lived as a man died and rose up

“And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭28:18‬ ‭KJV‬‬

In the ot

“For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; From heaven did the LORD behold the earth; To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, And his praise in Jerusalem;

When the people are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.

Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: And the heavens are the work of thy hands.

They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:

But thou art the same, and thy years shall have no end. The children of thy servants shall continue, And their seed shall be established before thee.”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭102:19, 21-22, 25-28‬ ‭KJV‬‬



Most assume angels were created before mankind. Is this correct? If so, where did they exist before the creation of the heavens and earth?
 

Pilgrimshope

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Most assume angels were created before mankind. Is this correct? If so, where did they exist before the creation of the heavens and earth?
I can’t answer this brother I can only talk about things written down on scriptire and I’m not aware of the Bible answering this question

it may very well , but my capacity has never noticed it but I figger I know about 3 percent of what is there to know in scripture so I hope someone else can answer that it’s an interesting question that I don’t know the answer to
i do know he created man last
 

Cameron143

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I can’t answer this brother I can only talk about things written down on scriptire and I’m not aware of the Bible answering this question

it may very well , but my capacity has never noticed it but I figger I know about 3 percent of what is there to know in scripture so I hope someone else can answer that it’s an interesting question that I don’t know the answer to
i do know he created man last
I appreciate your honesty. I was simply asking the question that popped in my head while reading your post.
 

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The gospel that Paul preached is specifically how Christ died for our sins, was buried, and rose again the third day. See 1 Corinthians 15:3-4. And yet, the d,b,r of Christ was hidden by God. Jesus mentioned it a couple of times to his disciples, but the truth was hid from them.

Luke 18:
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. It was hid even among the prophets, foretold, but hid.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again. The gospel Paul preached.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken. Paul's gospel was hid from them.

Mark 9
30 And they departed thence, and passed through Galilee; and he would not that any man should know it.
31 For he taught his disciples, and said unto them, The Son of man is delivered into the hands of men, and they shall kill him; and after that he is killed, he shall rise the third day. Again, the gospel Paul taught to the Gentiles.
32 But they understood not that saying, and were afraid to ask him. The disciples did not understand, nor were looking forward to the cross.

Matthew 17
22 And while they abode in Galilee, Jesus said unto them, The Son of man shall be betrayed into the hands of men:
23 And they shall kill him, and the third day he shall be raised again. And they were exceeding sorry. Why would they be exceeding sorry if they knew that by the cross their sins would be forgiven and that Jesus would resurrect the third day?

Luke 24
11 And their words seemed to them as idle tales, and they believed them not. After hearing of the empty tomb, the disciples thought it to be some made up tale.
12 Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass. Peter had no clue about the resurrection.
Hello John thank you for the reply I will have to digest all of this,

BLessings,
 

Pilgrimshope

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I appreciate your honesty. I was simply asking the question that popped in my head while reading your post.
Yes brother always speak freely with me please I appreciate that most of all from people . Never a need to qualify or explain why you asked me or offered me an answer

If you look at what we have about creation in genesis 1-2 before they were deceived and sinned , there is an order and structure to everything it’s Gods pure and undefiled design for his creation

when this was the creations order and rythym and perfect rhyme

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a lot happens after this and corrupts the perfect world he created and said was very good just a few generations later he says this of earth and man who he designed and ordered in chapter one

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭

only ten or eleven generations after this

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It became this

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God never changed what happened was mankind created sin and death and destruction and corrupted and made his creation into a world like this

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

( the gospel redeems us from that )

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,( the gospel ) that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭

Now why I’m saying all this is

angels have a role and place in the structure of Gods perfect original design before they sinned and corrupted the earth,

Lucifer an angel once high in ranking beautiful like no other the scripture says

he was supposed to guard then from the tree of good and evil of they ever tried to eat from it . It was meant to be a safe guard so God would know what was going on while he rested on the sabbath he was meant to be a lookout for God

This concept is hard to understand and even find in the scripture it’s a deep study but it is there .

what happened was Lucifer was crafty and prideful subtle in his ways

and had a genuine distain and jealousy for man because God chose mankind to rule the earth he had created and not angels angels became servants of God in heaven in the design of God almighty the creator and lord of all

“ the Satan “ as scripture calls him was jealous and began to turn against God by attacking his beloved and chosen creation that would rule all of his creation in his good and perfect will

He didn’t like this and also corrupted a third of the angels to a rebellion through attacking man on earth his plan we see begin when he planted the seeds in Eden on mans mind “ you don’t need to believe obey God , I can tell you the truth instead “

he knew gods word of death was true , he was trying to kill then with it by creating rebellion and disbelief of it

“But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, Until I make thine enemies thy footstool? Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?”
‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭1:13-14‬ ‭KJV‬‬
arhat made some of them mad


i say this only because you are speaking of the relation of angels to man in creation and even things before that are touched upon in the prophets and gospel and epistles. it’s there it’s just you have to really look and consider

sorry for the length and not great grammar or structure dear brother some of the angels had a part in mankind’s fall and the reason we need salvstion it’s what we did but they also led man astray it’s why he’ll was created

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭







less than angels but yet by grace and because he loves his children made in his image


Instead deceived them because he wanted them to die . So angels rebellion came before mans and actually

But now because man has both good and evil in us since the fruit everything over time and mans failures in earth like this

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

Cameron143

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Yes brother always speak freely with me please I appreciate that most of all from people . Never a need to qualify or explain why you asked me or offered me an answer

If you look at what we have about creation in genesis 1-2 before they were deceived and sinned , there is an order and structure to everything it’s Gods pure and undefiled design for his creation

when this was the creations order and rythym and perfect rhyme

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good.

And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

a lot happens after this and corrupts the perfect world he created and said was very good just a few generations later he says this of earth and man who he designed and ordered in chapter one

“And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually. And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart. And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:5-7‬ ‭

only ten or eleven generations after this

“And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭1:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

It became this

“The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence. And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth. And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭6:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬

God never changed what happened was mankind created sin and death and destruction and corrupted and made his creation into a world like this

“And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

( the gospel redeems us from that )

And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding,( the gospel ) that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭

Now why I’m saying all this is

angels have a role and place in the structure of Gods perfect original design before they sinned and corrupted the earth,

Lucifer an angel once high in ranking beautiful like no other the scripture says

he was supposed to guard then from the tree of good and evil of they ever tried to eat from it . It was meant to be a safe guard so God would know what was going on while he rested on the sabbath he was meant to be a lookout for God

This concept is hard to understand and even find in the scripture it’s a deep study but it is there .

what happened was Lucifer was crafty and prideful subtle in his ways

and had a genuine distain and jealousy for man because God chose mankind to rule the earth he had created and not angels angels became servants of God in heaven in the design of God almighty the creator and lord of all

“ the Satan “ as scripture calls him was jealous and began to turn against God by attacking his beloved and chosen creation that would rule all of his creation in his good and perfect will

He didn’t like this and also corrupted a third of the angels to a rebellion through attacking man on earth his plan we see begin when he planted the seeds in Eden on mans mind “ you don’t need to believe obey God , I can tell you the truth instead “

he knew gods word of death was true , he was trying to kill then with it by creating rebellion and disbelief of it

i say this only because you are speaking of the relation of angels to man in creation and even things before that are touched upon in the prophets and gospel and epistles. it’s there it’s just you have to really look and consider

sorry for the length and not great grammar or structure dear brother some of the angels had a part in mankind’s fall and the reason we need salvstion it’s what we did but they also led man astray it’s why he’ll was created

“Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭25:41‬ ‭







less than angels but yet by grace and because he loves his children made in his image


Instead deceived them because he wanted them to die . So angels rebellion came before mans and actually

But now because man has both good and evil in us since the fruit everything over time and mans failures in earth like this

“Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:15-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬
I do believe the Jews corrupted the sabbath as well as most everything else. And I believe the sabbath rest always pointed to Jesus. Magenta made the claim that the part of heaven God dwells in wasn't created. I was just wondering if the angels were created prior to...In the beginning ...they had to dwell somewhere.
I haven't really considered all this except off the top of my head so I'm just asking questions out loud.
 

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Most assume angels were created before mankind. Is this correct? If so, where did they exist before the creation of the heavens and earth?
They did not exist BEFORE the creation of the heavens and the earth. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11).

Since this verse is a part of the Ten Commandments, it should be taken as definitive. The angels were created during those six days, but not mentioned specifically or plainly. Angels are identified as stars and also "sons of God" in the OT, so possibly they were created on the same day as the sun, moon, and stars. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)
 

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They did not exist BEFORE the creation of the heavens and the earth. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11).

Since this verse is a part of the Ten Commandments, it should be taken as definitive. The angels were created during those six days, but not mentioned specifically or plainly. Angels are identified as stars and also "sons of God" in the OT, so possibly they were created on the same day as the sun, moon, and stars. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)
That's fair enough. Where did God dwell before creation?
 

Pilgrimshope

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I do believe the Jews corrupted the sabbath as well as most everything else. And I believe the sabbath rest always pointed to Jesus. Magenta made the claim that the part of heaven God dwells in wasn't created. I was just wondering if the angels were created prior to...In the beginning ...they had to dwell somewhere.
I haven't really considered all this except off the top of my head so I'm just asking questions out loud.
adam wasn’t a Jew though he was a man before there was such a thing as Jew or gentile he’s the fleshly father of all mankind our flesh and blood isn’t Jew of gentile it began before the curse of genesis 6 the nation of Israel was born here after corruption and sabbath defilement

“And God said unto him, Thy name is Jacob: thy name shall not be called any more Jacob, but Israel shall be thy name: and he called his name Israel.”
‭‭Genesis‬ ‭35:10‬ ‭KJV‬‬

his children 12 sons are the twelve tribes of the nation of israel corruption and defilement was already in full swing since Noah’s time

I think what magenta is saying is that God is actually the beginning himself , everything that waists comes from within him he speaks it out of his heart and mind and it begins to exist

He is the source of even heavens creation and the angels creation but he is eternal the universe itself was created by God his home simply is wherever he exists and he has always existed he doesn’t need anything because he is everything
 

Pilgrimshope

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They did not exist BEFORE the creation of the heavens and the earth. For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. (Exod 20:11).

Since this verse is a part of the Ten Commandments, it should be taken as definitive. The angels were created during those six days, but not mentioned specifically or plainly. Angels are identified as stars and also "sons of God" in the OT, so possibly they were created on the same day as the sun, moon, and stars. When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (Job 38:7)
Amen he is himself the beginning and ending all things came from within him and we’re created by him and for him , whether powers in heaven or earth or under the earth all things were by him father and for him son

 

Pilgrimshope

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I do believe the Jews corrupted the sabbath as well as most everything else. And I believe the sabbath rest always pointed to Jesus. Magenta made the claim that the part of heaven God dwells in wasn't created. I was just wondering if the angels were created prior to...In the beginning ...they had to dwell somewhere.
I haven't really considered all this except off the top of my head so I'm just asking questions out loud.
Do you follow the Webb telescopes discoveries at all ? I’ve been fascinated with space since the sixties
 

Cameron143

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Do you follow the Webb telescopes discoveries at all ? I’ve been fascinated with space since the sixties
I have a large family. Generally the space I'm dealing with is elbow room.
I do enjoy the consideration of space as far as it involves the heavens declaring God's glory, but beyond that I have never had much of an interest.
 

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I can’t answer this brother I can only talk about things written down on scriptire and I’m not aware of the Bible answering this question

it may very well , but my capacity has never noticed it but I figger I know about 3 percent
of what is there to know in scripture so I hope someone else can answer that it’s an interesting
question that I don’t know the answer to i do know he created man last
Job 38:5-7 .:)
 

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Excellent post very accurate and thorough and edifying thanks for that.

In the new testament we have this same process I create he same faith and fear of God to make us so move in faith what if God is saying this to us like he did Noah


The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2 Peter 3:9‭-‬13 KJV


Wh at if part of the message is there's a flood coming of dire and the end of all you know repent and get in the ark I built from here nails and two slabs of wood using my blood and sweat and tears for the pitch just get in the ark And be saved Im promising you an eternal home beyond death

And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark 16:15‭-‬16 KJV

That seems like the door to the ark that's going to save us from the fire thata coming this time but I don't know it seems like even Adam could have believed what God told him and lived or Cain could have believed what God told him and been accepted like abel Noah did it and they didn't do what he told them would keep safe and make acceptable faith is what man is created to walk by
How one gets in Jesus, the "ark:"

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
 

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Love it sister

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest?

Or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? Or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy?”
‭‭Job‬ ‭38:4-7‬ ‭KJV‬‬

Hear my prayer, O LORD, And let my cry come unto thee. Hide not thy face from me in the day when I am in trouble; Incline thine ear unto me: In the day when I call answer me speedily.

For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; From heaven did the LORD behold the earth;

To declare the name of the LORD in Zion, And his praise in Jerusalem; When the people are gathered together, And the kingdoms, to serve the LORD.


Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: And the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed:”
‭‭Psalm‬ ‭102:1-2, 19, 21-22, 25-26‬

Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.”( eternal
Life )
‭‭Mark‬ ‭13:31‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.”
‭‭1 John‬ ‭2:16-17‬ ‭KJV‬‬


“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”
‭‭Revelation‬ ‭21:1‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness, looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.”
‭‭2 Peter‬ ‭3:11-13‬ ‭KJV‬‬
 

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How one gets in Jesus, the "ark:"

"Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
Amen foret we have to hear the gospel to indersrsnd it’s the doorway and he’s calling us all in if we would just hear and trust that it’s time to take that step of commitment and faith in what we believe

When Paul said he only preached Jesus death and resurrection he means his doctrine revolves around it like baptism is about the death and resurrection , communion is also about his body and blood given for us , ect he wasn’t just saying “ Jesus died on the cross the end “
 

Pilgrimshope

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I have a large family. Generally the space I'm dealing with is elbow room.
I do enjoy the consideration of space as far as it involves the heavens declaring God's glory, but beyond that I have never had much of an interest.
Yeah the space race in the sixties probably warped me haha I can still remember watching the moon landing ot was a huge deal then it’s not a big deal now we launch rockets daily but wow it was exciting then anyways brother I was just wondering
 

Cameron143

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Yeah the space race in the sixties probably warped me haha I can still remember watching the moon landing ot was a huge deal then it’s not a big deal now we launch rockets daily but wow it was exciting then anyways brother I was just wondering
I watched the moon landing with my grandfather on a 12 inch black and white television hooked up to an outside antenna. Since most of the shows we watched were blurry I for the longest time thought all shows were recorded on the moon.