THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT, Part 1 of 2

[jamesdalbright]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 2 of 2

When the Antichrist sees that the earth quakes cause the USA to become defenseless, John saw in Rev 17:12-13 and 16-17 that the ten horns, which are the leaders of the Muslim terrorist organizations that are operating with in the ten nation kingdom, which are those nations that are fighting with Israel, will join with the Antichrist’s seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, in the common purpose to defeat the USA.
Rev 17:12 - 13 and 16 - 17… 12 "As for the ten horns which you saw are ten kings, who have not yet received a kingdom, but they receive authority as kings with the beast for one hour. 13 "These have one purpose and they give their power and authority to the beast. 16 "And the ten horns which you saw, and the beast, these will hate the harlot and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh and will burn her up with fire. 17 “For God has put it in their hearts to execute His purpose by having a common purpose, and by giving their kingdom to the beast, until the words of God will be fulfilled.

Rev 17:23 tells us that it is the merchants of the USA who are responsible for causing the judgment of the USA.
Rev 17:23 and the light of a lamp will not shine in you any longer; and the voice of the bridegroom and bride will not be heard in you any longer; for your merchants were the great men of the earth, because all the nations were deceived by your sorcery.

As you can see the USA is the only country that is capable of fulfilling all of the descriptions found in these scriptures.

After Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great He showed me the following vision to confirm that the insight was from Him and that He wanted me to share this message with His churches. One day when I was sitting at the table writing a letter I suddenly could not keep my eyes open, which I thought was strange because I had just awakened. When I laid down on the couch I saw a vision in which the face of a black man appeared before me, and I as I studied his face I noticed He was surrounded by a loving peace. He then told me to go and tell them, which I knew meant that I was suppose to go and tell the churches and the lost that the USA is Babylon the Great. After I soaked up the peacefulness that surrounded him for a few moments the vision ended. When I got up I said to Jesus that if it was Him who appeared to me, He would have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third. Jesus led me to get dressed and leave my apartment. He took me south of Philadelphia, Pa to a church basement that was being used to take care of handicapped children. I shared a gospel tract with those in charge and then I left. Jesus then led me to a nearby church and after I knocked on the door and asked the receptionist if the Pastor was there and she responded, “you mean Father” I questioned Jesus asking Him if it was He who was leading me, since I knew that we are not suppose to call ourselves father. After I went inside the minister immediately appeared and invited me into his office. While I was sharing with him that we are not suppose to call ourselves father, I was shown that he had the Holy Spirit, but yet, he allowed himself to be called father. I realized that he belonged to Jesus, but some of his teachings were incorrect. He thanked me for the conversation and I left. Then Jesus led me to a church near my apartment and when the Pastor answered the door I was astounded because his face was the same face that the Holy Spirit appeared to me in the vision and then I realized that it was the Holy Spirit who appeared to me and that both the message that the USA is Babylon the Great and that I was supposed to go and to tell God’s people this message was from Jesus.

One day, while I was pondering why I was led to the first two churches before I was led to the church where the Pastor, whose face Jesus appeared to me as, answered the door, I realized that Jesus led me to the first two churches, so that it would be at the third church, where He confirmed that the vision was from Him, because after I saw the vision I said to Him, “if it was you who appeared to me you will have to tell me who to tell first, who to tell second and who to tell third.” This realization deepened my experience with Jesus.

One of the reasons that Jesus sent me to share that the USA is Babylon the Great is because Rev 18:4 contains a warning to the believers.
Rev 18:4 states And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out of her, my people, that you may not participate in her sins and that you may not receive of her plagues;
This scripture is a warning to the believers, that if they participate in the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing, either directly or indirectly by voting for one of these Socialists, they will receive their plagues. Some of these sins include the Socialist “separation of church and state,” which is a violation of the original intent of separation of church and state, because it is part of their scheme to establish Atheism as the national religion, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, gambling, alcohol, legalizing homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgender, teaching or supporting those that teach evolution in the public schools, colleges, museums, parks or through any of the media outlets, inclusion of no evangelizing in the “no soliciting” signs that you see on the windows of businesses, requiring permits to evangelize with in city limits, supporting the Muslims against Israel, and no evangelistic statements allowed in the work place. These are some of the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing and if you are a believer and are participating in them you will receive their plagues if you don't come out of them.

 

[jamesdalbright]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 1 of 2

I would like to share with you that while I was reading Rev 16, 17 & 18 Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great. You can see this through the judgments described in these chapters.

Rev 16:18-19 tells us that Babylon the Great is that place that when the earthquake splits her into three, this will cause all the cities of the nations to fall.
Rev. 16:18-19 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

When Rev 18:11 and 17-19 explain that the merchants of the earth who became rich from Babylon the Great will be weeping because no one buys there cargos anymore and every shipping company who became rich from her will be crying out because there is no place to ship these goods, they are telling us that the cities of the nations fall because the merchants of these cities are manufacturing the goods, that they sell in Babylon the Great in these cities, and when the earth quake destroys Babylon the Great the manufacturing in these cities will cease and this will cause the economies and the cities to fall. The USA is the only place in the world that every merchant and shipping company is becoming wealthy from; that if it was destroyed would cause all of the cities of the nations to fall.
Rev 18:11 and 17-19 - 11 “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more 17 for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, 18 and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘ What city is like the great city?’ 19 “And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘ Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’

The mystery found in Rev 17:5 ‘and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." coincides with this. The first part of the mystery which says: “Babylon the Great” tells us that Babylon the Great is like Babylon of Old was, but greater. Babylon was known for two things, they were the center of trade and they ruled the earth. This tells us that Babylon the Great is that place which is the center of trade and rules the earth, but is greater in magnitude than Babylon of Old. The only place in the world that fits this description is the USA.

The next part of the mystery tells us that Babylon the Great is the Mother of Harlots, or she is that place that makes baby harlots, or she is that place that the other nations are becoming baby harlots, by becoming like her. The modern term for this is westernization. The USA is the only nation in the world that all of the other nations are becoming like, or westernized.

We can see the fulfillment of the last part of the mystery more clearly today, which tells us that Babylon the Great is the mother of the abominations of the earth. Recently, the Socialists in the Democratic Party have included such abominations as abortion, homosexuality, and same sex marriage in US foreign policy and they are using the economic grip that the US has on other nations and US military supremacy to force the nations of the world to legalize these abominations and it is through this that they are causing the USA to fulfill, “the mother of the abominations of the earth”. There is no other country in the world that is fulfilling the mother of the abominations of the earth.

John saw in Rev 17:9-11 that Babylon the Great is that place that is capable of sitting on or ruling over the fourth beast and Antichrist when he first arises, when they tell us that the beast, which symbolizes the Antichrist, comes out of one of the seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, and becomes an eighth king that the woman sits on or rules over.
Rev 17: 9-11 "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and he goes to destruction.

The USA is the only country that is capable of ruling over the Antichrist when he first arises.

Rev 16:12-19 tells us that the judgment of the USA takes place during the great tribulation period when the Antichrist and the False Prophet are gathering the nations to Har-magedon to reestablish his rule.
Rev. 16:12-19 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river, the Euphrates; and its water was dried up, so that the way would be prepared for the kings from the east. 13 And I saw coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs; 14 for they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them together for the war of the great day of God, the Almighty. 15 “Behold, I am coming like a thief. Blessed is the one who stays awake and keeps his clothes, so that he will not walk about naked and men will not see his shame.” 16 And they gathered them together to the place which in Hebrew is called Har-magedon. 17 Then the seventh angel poured out his bowl upon the air, and a loud voice came out of the temple from the throne, saying, “ It is done.” 18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

 

[Artios1]

It is obvious you are convinced of what you are stating … which, in and of itself doesn’t make it right or wrong.

Since my standard for truth is the written Word …….that is what I use to determine what is truth and what is error. If anything that people declare goes in contrast or contradiction to the written Word … I would have to deem it inaccurate and unreliable.

My biggest problem with what you are saying is …it is all related to the Tribulation period ..which comes after Jesus returns in the air for the Church of God (the gathering together unto himself) …. In other words it has no bearing on those of us who are Christian …. And to those who are not Christian…. wouldn’t it be more advantageous, or wouldn’t you think that the visions and secession with Jesus would be in line with getting someone born again as Jesus Christ directed us to do … having been given the ministry of reconciliation.

 

[Beckie]

A question/suggestion: Could the Babylon of the Revelation be Jerusalem/Judaism

 

[wolfwint]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 1 of 2

I would like to share with you that while I was reading Rev 16, 17 & 18 Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great. You can see this through the judgments described in these chapters.

Rev 16:18-19 tells us that Babylon the Great is that place that when the earthquake splits her into three, this will cause all the cities of the nations to fall.
Rev. 16:18-19 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 The great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath.

When Rev 18:11 and 17-19 explain that the merchants of the earth who became rich from Babylon the Great will be weeping because no one buys there cargos anymore and every shipping company who became rich from her will be crying out because there is no place to ship these goods, they are telling us that the cities of the nations fall because the merchants of these cities are manufacturing the goods, that they sell in Babylon the Great in these cities, and when the earth quake destroys Babylon the Great the manufacturing in these cities will cease and this will cause the economies and the cities to fall. The USA is the only place in the world that every merchant and shipping company is becoming wealthy from; that if it was destroyed would cause all of the cities of the nations to fall.
Rev 18:11 and 17-19 - 11 “And the merchants of the earth weep and mourn over her, because no one buys their cargoes any more 17 for in one hour such great wealth has been laid waste!’ And every shipmaster and every passenger and sailor, and as many as make their living by the sea, stood at a distance, 18 and were crying out as they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, ‘ What city is like the great city?’ 19 “And they threw dust on their heads and were crying out, weeping and mourning, saying, ‘ Woe, woe, the great city, in which all who had ships at sea became rich by her wealth, for in one hour she has been laid waste!’

The mystery found in Rev 17:5 ‘and upon her forehead a name was written, a mystery, "BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH." coincides with this. The first part of the mystery which says: “Babylon the Great” tells us that Babylon the Great is like Babylon of Old was, but greater. Babylon was known for two things, they were the center of trade and they ruled the earth. This tells us that Babylon the Great is that place which is the center of trade and rules the earth, but is greater in magnitude than Babylon of Old. The only place in the world that fits this description is the USA.

The next part of the mystery tells us that Babylon the Great is the Mother of Harlots, or she is that place that makes baby harlots, or she is that place that the other nations are becoming baby harlots, by becoming like her. The modern term for this is westernization. The USA is the only nation in the world that all of the other nations are becoming like, or westernized.

We can see the fulfillment of the last part of the mystery more clearly today, which tells us that Babylon the Great is the mother of the abominations of the earth. Recently, the Socialists in the Democratic Party have included such abominations as abortion, homosexuality, and same sex marriage in US foreign policy and they are using the economic grip that the US has on other nations and US military supremacy to force the nations of the world to legalize these abominations and it is through this that they are causing the USA to fulfill, “the mother of the abominations of the earth”. There is no other country in the world that is fulfilling the mother of the abominations of the earth.

John saw in Rev 17:9-11 that Babylon the Great is that place that is capable of sitting on or ruling over the fourth beast and Antichrist when he first arises, when they tell us that the beast, which symbolizes the Antichrist, comes out of one of the seven heads, which are kingdoms and their kings, and becomes an eighth king that the woman sits on or rules over.
Rev 17: 9-11 "Here is the mind which has wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman sits, 10 and they are seven kings; five have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come; and when he comes, he must remain a little while. 11 “The beast which was and is not, is himself also an eighth and is one of the seven, and

One day, while
This scripture is a warning to the believers, that if they participate in the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing, either directly or indirectly by voting for one of these Socialists, they will receive their plagues. Some of these sins include the Socialist “separation of church and state,” which is a violation of the original intent of separation of church and state, because it is part of their scheme to establish Atheism as the national religion, promiscuity, abortion, pornography, gambling, alcohol, legalizing homosexuality, same sex marriage, transgender, teaching or supporting those that teach evolution in the public schools, colleges, museums, parks or through any of the media outlets, inclusion of no evangelizing in the “no soliciting” signs that you see on the windows of businesses, requiring permits to evangelize with in city limits, supporting the Muslims against Israel, and no evangelistic statements allowed in the work place. These are some of the sins that the Socialists in the Democratic Party are committing and if you are a believer and are participating in them you will receive their plagues if you don't come out of them.

Well this sounds interesting, but it is not true! Whoever gave you this Vision. Is was not Jesus. That the democratic party is more worldly then the republicans may be true.
But you raise them to an enemy. But while europe is meantioned in revealation and in bible. USA is not. And if you consider China, then this country has as much influence then USA. And its growing.
So at Moment all is speculation and men made theorys.
I renember the election 2016. Two brothers claimed on CC that the Lord revealed them who will be president. One brother said trump the other said Clinton.

 

[wolfwint]

A question/suggestion: Could the Babylon of the Revelation be Jerusalem/Judaism

No, I dont think so, because all the nations will fight against Jerusalem.

 

[jamesdalbright]

It is obvious you are convinced of what you are stating … which, in and of itself doesn’t make it right or wrong.

Since my standard for truth is the written Word …….that is what I use to determine what is truth and what is error. If anything that people declare goes in contrast or contradiction to the written Word … I would have to deem it inaccurate and unreliable.

My biggest problem with what you are saying is …it is all related to the Tribulation period ..which comes after Jesus returns in the air for the Church of God (the gathering together unto himself) …. In other words it has no bearing on those of us who are Christian …. And to those who are not Christian…. wouldn’t it be more advantageous, or wouldn’t you think that the visions and secession with Jesus would be in line with getting someone born again as Jesus Christ directed us to do … having been given the ministry of reconciliation.

In 2Th 2:1-2 Paul told the Thessalonians not to listen to the guy who was telling them that their gathering to the Lord was at hand or as the Pretribers say, could happen at any minute. The fact that the guy was telling the Thessalonians their gathering to the Lord or rapture happens before the Antichrist emerges on the scene renders him the earliest recorded pretib rapture teacher. In other words Paul told the Thessalonians not the listen to the pretrib rapture teachers.
Since God word is the truth take whatever you think is the fulfillment of Babylon the great and plug it into every place I wrote USA in my post and you will see for example that the Catholic Church, False Religions, Babylon of old and Jerusalem don't fit the effects of the judgments or the descriptions found in Rev. 16-18. For example, the Catholic Church and False Religions can't have an earthquake that splits them into three. You will also see that if Babylon of old or Jerusalem experienced an earthquake that split them in three it would not cause all of the cities of the nations to fall, or cause the merchants of the earth to have no place to sell their cargos any longer and cause the shipping companies that are carrying the merchants goods to weep and mourn because such wealth was laid waste in one hour. The only country that fulfills this requirement is the USA.
Rev. 16:18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

 

[jamesdalbright]

Well this sounds interesting, but it is not true! Whoever gave you this Vision. Is was not Jesus. That the democratic party is more worldly then the republicans may be true.
But you raise them to an enemy. But while europe is meantioned in revealation and in bible. USA is not. And if you consider China, then this country has as much influence then USA. And its growing.
So at Moment all is speculation and men made theorys.
I renember the election 2016. Two brothers claimed on CC that the Lord revealed them who will be president. One brother said trump the other said Clinton.

The people you pointed out adhere to the same teaching about the fulfillment of Babylon the great as you do. Below is a video I put together of the rulers of the earth pointing out that the US rules over the earth.
The US, not the RCC is like Babylon of Old and Reigns over the Kings of the Earth, Rev.17:5,18

 

[jamesdalbright]

A question/suggestion: Could the Babylon of the Revelation be Jerusalem/Judaism

if you plug Jerusalem into where I wrote the US you will see that Jerusalem does not fit the effects of the judgments and the descriptions of Babylon the great found in Rev. 16 - 18. For example if Jerusalem experienced an earthquake that split it into three, this would not cause all the cities of the nations to fall, nor would it cause the merchants of the earth to say there is no one to buy their cargos any longer and the shipping companies that carry the goods for the merchants of the earth to weep and mourn because such great wealth was laid waste in one hour. The US is the only nation in the world that could cause this effect and reactions.
Rev. 18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

 

[wolfwint]

The people you pointed out adhere to the same teaching about the fulfillment of Babylon the great as you do. Below is a video I put together of the rulers of the earth pointing out that the US rules over the earth.
The US, not the RCC is like Babylon of Old and Reigns over the Kings of the Earth, Rev.17:5,18

As I said, it is only a speculation. Nothing more. The true will come as it is written.
Nothing wrong to try to find out, what is meant. But its wrong to declare a personal view as truth without any proof for that view.
And I would be careful with people which claiming that Jesus revealed special messages to them. To much betrayer are among them.
And at Moment the US are on the way to destruct themself, because fighting to each other. The US is strong solong they are United.

 

[Artios1]

In 2Th 2:1-2 Paul told the Thessalonians not to listen to the guy who was telling them that their gathering to the Lord was at hand or as the Pretribers say, could happen at any minute. The fact that the guy was telling the Thessalonians their gathering to the Lord or rapture happens before the Antichrist emerges on the scene renders him the earliest recorded pretib rapture teacher. In other words Paul told the Thessalonians not the listen to the pretrib rapture teachers.

A familiar ring to your response made me realize we have been to this dance before...on 5/3 @ CF (aka sandman)...to which you never responded back.
Here is the linked version

II Thessalonians 2


Again, watch the pronouns and remember the day of the Lord or The Lords day is always referencing the tribulation period



2Th 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him,


Brethren indicates Paul is talking to those in the body of Christ…. born again believers…


2 things… coming and gathering …addressed to born again believers of the church of God. Jesus is coming and gathering us, to Him…. as spoken of in 1Th 4:17


2Th2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Lord is at hand.


Just as today, there were those spreading false information including → that the day of the Lord is taking place right now.


If your Bible say “Christ” it should be translated Lord. All critical Greek text read Lord. KJV/NKJV is the only common version that wrongly has Christ.


2Th 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day shall not come] except there come the departure (hē apostasia) first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;


In order to not be deceived, we need to be aware that there is a departure first.


**(See below on hē apostasia) ............... Not included in this post


2Th 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.


Who = the man of sin … son of perdition


2Th 2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?


Remember dudes…. I went over this stuff with you.


2Th 2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth (katechō) that he might be revealed in his time.


withholdeth = holds back, restrains, detains



2Th 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth (restrains) will let, until he be taken out of the way.


Letteth is the same word as withholdeth.. (katechō) = restrains, detains


Taken out of the way …or out of the midst….not a voluntary falling away. We (body of Christ) are taken out of the way… gathering together unto Him


2Th 2:8 And then shall that wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:


And then ….when? ….When that which detains is gone….taken out of the way …departed. Once light (that’s us) is gone …darkness takes free reign.


2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,


2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.


2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:


Them and they…not us


2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



2Th 2:13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:


But (contrasting conjunction)…..in contrast to verse 8-12 We = born again believers


2Th 2:14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.


2Th 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.


2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,


Everlasting consolation = eternal encouragement, comfort, solace.


2Th 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


Comfort your hearts …comfort yourselves together (1Th 5:11) …. comfort one another (1Th 4:18)


There is comfort in the truth.

 

[jb]

THE FULFILLMENT OF BABYLON THE GREAT
Part 1 of 2

I would like to share with you that while I was reading Rev 16, 17 & 18 Jesus revealed to me that the USA is Babylon the Great.

LOL...Utter Nonsense!

You need to read ALL of The Revelation of Jesus Christ...and may I suggest that it should be studied on "your knees" (i.e., with MUCH prayer) and not on your backside (i.e., sitting at a desk)! 1Peter 1v10-12.

 

[jamesdalbright]

As I said, it is only a speculation. Nothing more. The true will come as it is written.
Nothing wrong to try to find out, what is meant. But its wrong to declare a personal view as truth without any proof for that view.
And I would be careful with people which claiming that Jesus revealed special messages to them. To much betrayer are among them.
And at Moment the US are on the way to destruct themself, because fighting to each other. The US is strong solong they are United.

Wait a minute, my post included proof of how the US is fulfilling every verse in Rev 16 - 18. If you look into the person that started the fulfillment of Babylon the great you adhere to you will find that it not only does not fulfill the effects of the judgements and the descriptions found in Rev. 16-18 but the person has no testimony of Jesus revealing the fulfillment to them.
Academia in Christianity is actually fulfilling, going back and forth with each other regarding their academic endeavors found in Dan 12:4. It is ironic that academia in Christianity pats themselves on the back, claiming this verse is touting their academic endeavors, when the opposite is true.
Dan 12:4 “But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time; many will go back and forth, and knowledge will increase.”
Jesus is One Who gave the prophets the symbols found in the prophesies and it is Jesus alone Who can give the proper fulfillment of the symbolisms.
This is how Paul learned how Jesus fulfilled the Laws and Ordinances that made the Jew and the Gentile in one new man. I was taught by the Holy Spirit to walk in this manner within the first hours of my salvation experience.

 

[jamesdalbright]

LOL...Utter Nonsense!

You need to read ALL of The Revelation of Jesus Christ...and may I suggest that it should be studied on "your knees" (i.e., with MUCH prayer) and not on your backside (i.e., sitting at a desk)! 1Peter 1v10-12.

The fact is you accuse me of not doing what I actually did. I was called to study just the scriptures and I was taught through my salvation experience to walk by the Holy Spirit. Take the time to check whatever you believe is the fulfillment of Babylon the great with the scriptures, that were left out of explanation you adhere to and you will see it actually doesn't fit the descriptions or the effects of the judgments. Academia in Christianity is conducting their academic endeavors under the false premise that Jesus reveals the fulfillment of prophecy through their academic endeavors. Consequently, that opened the door for Satan to enter into their endeavors. Jesus gave the symbols and He is only one who can give their fulfillment. It is academia that needs to learn to wait on the Holy Spirit to give them understanding of the prophesies.

 

[Beckie]

if you plug Jerusalem into where I wrote the US you will see that Jerusalem does not fit the effects of the judgments and the descriptions of Babylon the great found in Rev. 16 - 18. For example if Jerusalem experienced an earthquake that split it into three, this would not cause all the cities of the nations to fall, nor would it cause the merchants of the earth to say there is no one to buy their cargos any longer and the shipping companies that carry the goods for the merchants of the earth to weep and mourn because such great wealth was laid waste in one hour. The US is the only nation in the world that could cause this effect and reactions.
Rev. 18 And there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder; and there was a great earthquake, such as there had not been since man came to be upon the earth, so great an earthquake was it, and so mighty. 19 And the great city was split into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell. And Babylon the great was remembered before God, to give her the cup of the wine of His fierce wrath. 20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found. 21 And huge hailstones, about one hundred pounds each, came down from heaven upon men; and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail, because its plague was extremely severe.

She may not fit into what you wrote but to me she fits into the Revelation.

 

[jamesdalbright]

II Thessalonians 2


Again, watch the pronouns and remember the day of the Lord or The Lords day is always referencing the tribulation period

You didn't even get out of the gate in your explanation without contradicting a scripture.
According to Mal 4:5-6 Elijah is one of the two witnesses who will be sent back before the great and terrible day of the Lord. From Rev 11 we know that the two witnesses will appear during the great tribulation period. From this we can conclude that the day of the Lord occurs after the great tribulation period.
Mal 4:5-6 "Behold, I am going to send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and terrible day of the LORD. 6 "And he will restore the hearts of the fathers to their children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the land with a curse.”

Matt. 24: 15-21 tells us the great tribulation period, begins when the abomination of desolation is set up.
Matt. 24:15 “Therefore when you see the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION which was spoken of through Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place ( let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains; 17 let him who is on the housetop not go down to get the things out that are in his house; 18 and let him who is in the field not turn back to get his cloak. 19 “But woe to those who are with child and to those who nurse babes in those days! 20 “But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath; 21 for then there will be a great tribulation, such as has not occurred since the beginning of the world until now, nor ever shall.

2Th 2:2 tells us the coming of our Lord and our gathering together to him or resurrection found in 2Th 2:1 marks the beginning of the day of the Lord.
2 Th 2:1-2 Now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and our gathering together to Him, 2 that you may not be quickly shaken from your composure or be disturbed either by a spirit or a message or a letter as if from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord has come.

 

[jamesdalbright]

She may not fit into what you wrote but to me she fits into the Revelation.

The one thing I did when I had a thought about the fulfillment of a specific part of a prophecy, was I poured over and over the same scriptures that pertained to the prophecy to see if my thought contradicted any word or words within any scriptures. If it did I dismissed it.

 

[The_Watchers_2017]

As I said, it is only a speculation. Nothing more. The true will come as it is written.
Nothing wrong to try to find out, what is meant. But its wrong to declare a personal view as truth without any proof for that view.
And I would be careful with people which claiming that Jesus revealed special messages to them. To much betrayer are among them.
And at Moment the US are on the way to destruct themself, because fighting to each other. The US is strong solong they are United.

i have read this information on another forum.
just for the fact you read the Bible and have viewpoints on what it means.
who do you think, not know, this is just a best guess scenario, will fulfill the Role of Babylon?

 

[Beckie]

The one thing I did when I had a thought about the fulfillment of a specific part of a prophecy, was I poured over and over the same scriptures that pertained to the prophecy to see if my thought contradicted any word or words within any scriptures. If it did I dismissed it.

We , we meaning most posters, all do the same and most of us will say something like God or the Holy Spirit led me to this conclusion . Reading different opinions is interesting.

 

[jb]

The fact is you accuse me of not doing what I actually did.

Well, if you had actually prayerfully studied The Revelation of Jesus Christ you would have found that the identity of Babylon is given in it!

So, try again!