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John146

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There is no way of knowing just how much hormonal imbalances as also effected the mind at this stage to, Until science unlocks the mind we will never truly know, only God does.
Study God's word. It gives us this knowledge. As we move further away from God in all aspects of life, the world is greatly affected. Even the creation groans waiting for the day to be delivered.
 

HeIsHere

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To bring abortion into this is just a desperate attempt to deny this reality.

Same reasoning. You are the one creating a false reality.

Now you are using vague generalizations about hormone imbalances as a cause for transgenderism of which there is no solid longer term research.

Conjoined twins is not gender dysphoria.

Anyway, I have seen how you are on the Bible Discussion Forum so I will pass on conversing with you.
 

Fundaamental

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Hormone defects do happen, but it's not the norm. This is not part of God's design. As sad as it is, it should be a reminder that we have a Savior who will one day make all things new.
you make it sound as if hormonal defects are a persons own fault,

How do you know modern day medication like hormone drugs or steroids hasn't caused many people to be born with defects that cause them to go gay ?.

Married couples take others things to, to increase there sex drive, the list is endless,

But when you calculate just how many gays there are theses days you have to wonder just how much modern day meds or pollution has played a part in defect at birth.

It could even be as high 90 percent of Gays.
 

Fundaamental

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Same reasoning. You are the one creating a false reality.

Now you are using vague generalizations about hormone imbalances as a cause for transgenderism of which there is no solid longer term research.

Conjoined twins is not gender dysphoria.

Anyway, I have seen how you are on the Bible Discussion Forum so I will pass on conversing with you.
really you have no idea what your talking about.
 

HeIsHere

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really you have no idea what your talking about.
Ad hominem

Typically this term refers to a rhetorical strategy where the speaker attacks the character, motive, or some other attribute of the person making an argument rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.
Wikipedia
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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you make it sound as if hormonal defects are a persons own fault,

How do you know modern day medication like hormone drugs or steroids hasn't caused many people to be born with defects that cause them to go gay ?.

Married couples take others things to, to increase there sex drive, the list is endless,

But when you calculate just how many gays there are theses days you have to wonder just how much modern day meds or pollution has played a part in defect at birth.

It could even be as high 90 percent of Gays.
No proof of any of that. Being gay is a choice. We choose to sin or obey God. God wouldn't say being gay is an abomination, a very serious judgement, when a person couldn't help it or it was a defect. Homosexuality is sin and it is a choice.
 

Fundaamental

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No proof of any of that. Being gay is a choice. We choose to sin or obey God. God wouldn't say being gay is an abomination, a very serious judgement, when a person couldn't help it or it was a defect. Homosexuality is sin and it is a choice.
That reasoning would come from somebody who isn't gay.

Of cause you would say that this.

But alot of gays think they can't help it.
 

John146

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you make it sound as if hormonal defects are a persons own fault,

How do you know modern day medication like hormone drugs or steroids hasn't caused many people to be born with defects that cause them to go gay ?.

Married couples take others things to, to increase there sex drive, the list is endless,

But when you calculate just how many gays there are theses days you have to wonder just how much modern day meds or pollution has played a part in defect at birth.

It could even be as high 90 percent of Gays.
You are dismissing scripture and placing the blame on other things. Homosexuality is a cause of turning away from God. Period.

Btw, someone born with defects is not one own's fault, it is a result of sin in the world. Are these defects caused by God or living in a world of sin? One day, hopefully soon, the Lord will make all things new and the world will not have to worry about such defects.
 

Fundaamental

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This is the same argument that people use for abortion when they bring up ectopic pregnancies which is not even connected to abortion.

This is a fallacy because it is "cherry picking."

Again has nothing to do with the transgender movement and gender dysphoria.
as far as I'm aware the bible promotes abortion


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But if you have gone astray while married to your husband and you have made yourself impure by having sexual relations with a man other than your husband”— 21 here the priest is to put the woman under this curse—“may the Lord cause you to become a curse[b] among your people when he makes your womb miscarry and your abdomen swell. 22 May this water that brings a curse enter your body so that your abdomen swells or your womb miscarries.”

The priest is to write these curses on a scroll and then wash them off into the bitter water. 24 He shall make the woman drink the bitter water that brings a curse, and this water that brings a curse and causes bitter suffering will enter her.
 

Fundaamental

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You are dismissing scripture and placing the blame on other things. Homosexuality is a cause of turning away from God. Period.

Btw, someone born with defects is not one own's fault, it is a result of sin in the world. Are these defects caused by God or living in a world of sin? One day, hopefully soon, the Lord will make all things new and the world will not have to worry about such defects.
no your dismissing modern times, and in the case of hormonal defects which may well be proven to effect the mind soon.

Then there must be compassion for such person.

And the bible should advance to modern day times with it.
 

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No proof of any of that. Being gay is a choice. We choose to sin or obey God. God wouldn't say
being gay is an abomination, a very serious judgement, when a person couldn't help it or it
was a defect. Homosexuality is sin and it is a choice.
Man is a slave to sin, they are born into it, and are incapable of keeping the law.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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That reasoning would come from somebody who isn't gay.

Of cause you would say that this.

But alot of gays think they can't help it.
That reasoning comes from my trust in God and what the Word says. If you don't believe the Word, then there's no reason to continue the conversation.
 

HeIsHere

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And there you go. With that answer, no more conversation is needed. God doesn't change, not for you or anyone else.
Amen!

A slave of sin does not negate choice, just like slave of righteousness does not negate choice.
 
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And the bible should advance to modern day times with it.
the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible.
God wrote the Bible.

how much more advance should we get, or, maybe God, did not want us to be so advanced because that's when Societies begin to fall and end up as a memory?

look how advancement has done in your thinking?
you're so convinced modern tech/reasoning/answers are so correct, you would rip out pages of the Bible and write new ones in their place.

this is not aimed towards you, but, when people start questioning the Bible, i wonder just how true of a Follower of God can they be?
 

Fundaamental

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the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible.
God wrote the Bible.

how much more advance should we get, or, maybe God, did not want us to be so advanced because that's when Societies begin to fall and end up as a memory?

look how advancement has done in your thinking?
you're so convinced modern tech/reasoning/answers are so correct, you would rip out pages of the Bible and write new ones in their place.

this is not aimed towards you, but, when people start questioning the Bible, i wonder just how true of a Follower of God can they be?
utter nonsense sorry 😔
 

Fundaamental

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And there you go. With that answer, no more conversation is needed. God doesn't change, not for you or anyone else.
utter nonsense
The bible as advance with modern times in many reguards, one being the change in translations and the Catholic cannon being cut short.
 

Aaron56

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But alot of gays think they can't help it.
Paul had the same problem with sin. He was helpless against the pressure of it apart from Christ.

But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members. 24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God—through Jesus Christ our Lord!

This delivery is available to all who turn to Christ,
 
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And here they are, what should be the ruling for male and female sharing the same body
how do you know they are "male and female sharing the same body"??? Does the one with the more feminine haircut have XX chromosomes and the one with the more masculine haircut have XY chromosomes?

From Healthline:

Conjoined twins are the result of a monozygotic twin pregnancy (identical twin pregnancy) that comes from the fertilization of just one egg.


From National Institutes of Health - National Library of Medicine:

Conjoined twins are monochorionic (one placenta) and monoamniotic (one amniotic sac). This condition is proposed to have resulted from either fission or fusion.


From CNN:

Conjoined twins are identical - they are the same sex.
According to the Mayo Clinic, conjoined twins may be joined at any of these areas: chest, abdomen, spine, pelvis, trunk or head.
Scientists believe that conjoined twins develop from a single fertilized egg that fails to separate completely as it divides.


If conjoined twin birth is the result of an identical twin pregnancy, the chromosomes will be either XY or XX in both twins.

If conjoined twin birth is the result of the fusion of two embryos ... i.e. not identical ... which I cannot imagine how the two can fuse together inasmuch there are two eggs impregnated by two sperm and each embryo forms in his or her own amniotic sac ... so there would be two sacs an embryo would have to pass through in order to fuse to the other embryo in the other embryo's own sac.


Seems to me, if the twins can be separated they should be classified according to their chromosomes ... if XY, then male ... if XX, then female.

... just my 5¢ (up from 2¢ due to inflation).


Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

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Fundaamental

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how do you know they are "male and female sharing the same body"??? Does the one with the more feminine haircut have XX chromosomes and the one with the more masculine haircut have XY chromosomes?

From Healthline:

Conjoined twins are the result of a monozygotic twin pregnancy (identical twin pregnancy) that comes from the fertilization of just one egg.


From National Institutes of Health - National Library of Medicine:

Conjoined twins are monochorionic (one placenta) and monoamniotic (one amniotic sac). This condition is proposed to have resulted from either fission or fusion.


From CNN:

Conjoined twins are identical - they are the same sex.
According to the Mayo Clinic, conjoined twins may be joined at any of these areas: chest, abdomen, spine, pelvis, trunk or head.
Scientists believe that conjoined twins develop from a single fertilized egg that fails to separate completely as it divides.


If conjoined twin birth is the result of an identical twin pregnancy, the chromosomes will be either XY or XX in both twins.

If conjoined twin birth is the result of the fusion of two embryos ... i.e. not identical ... which I cannot imagine how the two can fuse together inasmuch there are two eggs impregnated by two sperm and each embryo forms in his or her own amniotic sac ... so there would be two sacs an embryo would have to pass through in order to fuse to the other embryo in the other embryo's own sac.


Seems to me, if the twins can be separated they should be classified according to their chromosomes ... if XY, then male ... if XX, then female.

... just my 5¢ (up from 2¢ due to inflation).


Genesis 1:27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
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the picture proves without a shadow of doubt defects are possible at birth.

You see this in this picture as a sure visible sign.

But what the picture doesn't show is the invisible defects you don't see.

For instance

As you can see a female and male is sharing the one lower half of the body.
There is no way for them to be separated, as one will die.

Niether person will agree to that.

The female head has to put up with male genitals.

But she also experiences the hormonal experience of male genitals.

She is by no fault of her own a type of transgender.

So whos to say all the people who are gay but don't have two heads male and female don't have hormonal defects that you don't know or don't see.

That others assume is just in there mind