Saved by faith alone?
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"Saved by faith" is an abbreviation of the doctrine below.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Thus, no one can ever claim to be saved by any other instrument, than Christ alone.
Salvation is a gift from God to us.
Salvation is a gift from God to us.
Keep repeating this verse, over and over, again, until it is locked in.
Salvation is a gift from God to us, by grace through faith.
Ephesians 2:8-9
For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not a result of works, so that no one may boast.
Thus, no one can ever claim to be saved by any other instrument, than Christ alone.
Salvation is a gift from God to us.
Salvation is a gift from God to us.
Keep repeating this verse, over and over, again, until it is locked in.
Salvation is a gift from God to us, by grace through faith.
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1Co 13:13 And now abideth faith, hope, charity, these three; but the greatest of these is charity.
Charity, love in action, is greater than faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Faith works by love.
If a person does not have love which can only be valid in action then their faith is no good.
Everything stems from love not from faith.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Paul said that if he did not have charity then he is nothing.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James said without charity then a person's faith is dead.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
A person is not justified by faith alone but must have works of love to be justified.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
The love of money is the root of all evil because it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
Any person that goes by their wants does not love like they should and have erred from the faith.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
If a person does not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them.
Do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth.
Paul and James say the same thing but people argue about the two.
We are saved by faith when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.
But when we receive the Spirit then we have to have work of love or else our faith is not valid because love is greater than faith.
Faith, and hope are only needed on earth and not in heaven but love will go on forever.
Charity, love in action, is greater than faith.
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.
Faith works by love.
If a person does not have love which can only be valid in action then their faith is no good.
Everything stems from love not from faith.
1Co 13:2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
Paul said that if he did not have charity then he is nothing.
Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,
Jas 2:16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
James said without charity then a person's faith is dead.
Jas 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.
A person is not justified by faith alone but must have works of love to be justified.
1Ti 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.
1Ti 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.
1Ti 6:7 For we brought nothing into this world, and it is certain we can carry nothing out.
1Ti 6:8 And having food and raiment let us be therewith content.
1Ti 6:9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.
1Ti 6:10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.
The love of money is the root of all evil because it neglects the poor and needy, and love is the fulfilling of the law.
Any person that goes by their wants does not love like they should and have erred from the faith.
1Jn 3:17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
1Jn 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
If a person does not have charity then the love of God does not dwell in them.
Do not love in word, neither in tongue, but in deed, works, and in truth.
Paul and James say the same thing but people argue about the two.
We are saved by faith when we first confess Christ for that is all we can do.
But when we receive the Spirit then we have to have work of love or else our faith is not valid because love is greater than faith.
Faith, and hope are only needed on earth and not in heaven but love will go on forever.
Obedience is not a so-called work
He didn't and wasn't saved until he was baptized. You're not understanding the nature of and reason for the miraculous falling if the Holy Ghost in Acts 10 whi h was for the same purpose as in Acts 2 except it fell on the apostles. Why? Heavenly validation of what was occurring in which both events started the church, 1st in Jerusalem amongst the Jews and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. No other record of the Holy Ghost falling unilaterally in such a manner without the laying on of the apostle's hands.
He didn't and wasn't saved until he was baptized. You're not understanding the nature of and reason for the miraculous falling if the Holy Ghost in Acts 10 whi h was for the same purpose as in Acts 2 except it fell on the apostles. Why? Heavenly validation of what was occurring in which both events started the church, 1st in Jerusalem amongst the Jews and then in Caesarea amongst the Gentiles. No other record of the Holy Ghost falling unilaterally in such a manner without the laying on of the apostle's hands.
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It's ridiculous to say something we do isn't a work. But in John 6:28-29 the question was asked of Jesus what is the work of God that we may do it. His answer tells you all you need to know.
Before deciding how you want to respond, consider for a moment all the things that Jesus could have included in His answer. And then look again at how He responded.
What we believe informs all we do. We don't do anything until something is made known to us. And what we believe about what has been imparted to us will determine our course of action.
God in grace came to Noah. He told him of an impending flood. Noah believed God's words and built an ark.
Noah, in turn, told the people of his day what God had said. They did not believe God's word and perished.
It's no different today. The word of God is disseminated through various means. People either believe and are saved or do not believe and perish.
Before deciding how you want to respond, consider for a moment all the things that Jesus could have included in His answer. And then look again at how He responded.
What we believe informs all we do. We don't do anything until something is made known to us. And what we believe about what has been imparted to us will determine our course of action.
God in grace came to Noah. He told him of an impending flood. Noah believed God's words and built an ark.
Noah, in turn, told the people of his day what God had said. They did not believe God's word and perished.
It's no different today. The word of God is disseminated through various means. People either believe and are saved or do not believe and perish.
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"Strange list of versions... I wonder why you chose those and stayed away from ones most often used?" What???
You ask me to supply examples of the use of the word "of" instead of "for" and I supply them for you. You then ask why I did not use the verses above which use "for"??
Do you not see the silliness of your statement?
I still do not understand your issue with "for" vs. "of". BTW there are many more examples of the use of the word "of" besides the one I presented.
You suggest taking aspirin so that they will have remission of their headache. Same difference.
Now supply me with a list of Bible verses that say "baptized "because of" the remission of sins".
I await your answer. Remember I supplied your request.
You ask me to supply examples of the use of the word "of" instead of "for" and I supply them for you. You then ask why I did not use the verses above which use "for"??
Do you not see the silliness of your statement?
I still do not understand your issue with "for" vs. "of". BTW there are many more examples of the use of the word "of" besides the one I presented.
You suggest taking aspirin so that they will have remission of their headache. Same difference.
Now supply me with a list of Bible verses that say "baptized "because of" the remission of sins".
I await your answer. Remember I supplied your request.
Question just for clarity, since we'd have to know we sinned to repent and confess, then in your view is willful sin repent-able and forgivable? Does that mean if you don't know you sinned, it's automatically covered under Christ? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the verse about confessing our sins and forgiving if the only kind that is forgiven is something you didn't know about.
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True, but that is secondary to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
The foundation on which we stand, the gospel is decribed below.
Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
The commandment to love others as Christ has loved us, is the Christian walk.
The saved walk in love of course.
The foundation on which we stand, the gospel is decribed below.
Romans 10:9
That if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.
The commandment to love others as Christ has loved us, is the Christian walk.
The saved walk in love of course.
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If you accept scripture as written, please note:
Noting that "eight souls were saved by water," does not say, "eight souls were saved by baptism," it is your position that water is synonymous with baptism. And I suppose you've derived this from the following verse where, "The like figure" refers back to water, which is the like figure that figures, baptism, whereunto doth also, as water did them in like figure, now save us, but it is apparent that there is a distinct differentiation, or otherwise the terms would be interchangeable, and nothing would be lost of the meaning.
However, if the terms water and baptism were synonymous, then you could say that baptism is the like figure of water. And that is clearly not the case at all.
Noting that "eight souls were saved by water," does not say, "eight souls were saved by baptism," it is your position that water is synonymous with baptism. And I suppose you've derived this from the following verse where, "The like figure" refers back to water, which is the like figure that figures, baptism, whereunto doth also, as water did them in like figure, now save us, but it is apparent that there is a distinct differentiation, or otherwise the terms would be interchangeable, and nothing would be lost of the meaning.
However, if the terms water and baptism were synonymous, then you could say that baptism is the like figure of water. And that is clearly not the case at all.
You are obsessed with water baptism. It's about the only thing you talk about. Your biased interpretation of Acts 2:38 is not in harmony with (Luke 24:47; Acts 3:19; 5:31; 10:43-47; 11:17,18; 15:7-9; 16:31; 26:18) and it's also not in harmony with (John 3:18; Romans 4:5-6; Ephesians 2:8,9; Titus 3:5; 2 Timothy 1:9).
The enemy fights tooth and nail to keep people blind to the truth that salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) The enemy knows that as long as he can keep you from trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation (John 1:12; 3:18; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12) he has you right where he wants you! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2)
That sounds like an argument from Oneness Pentecostals - "must be water baptized using the specific formula "in Jesus name" or else you will perish." According to your false gospel, if a believer is water baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, they will perish. *NOWHERE does the Bible say water baptized or condemned. As explained to you many times before, the phrase, “in Jesus name,” is not a reference to a salvation baptismal formula but a reference to authority. The proper way to baptize in Jesus name/by the authority of Jesus is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 28:19) Oneness Pentecostal folks are simply in error.
https://carm.org/oneness-pentecostal/must-baptism-be-in-jesus-name-baptize/
Luke 24:47 doesn't even mention baptism. Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38 have already been explained to you multiple times.
See posts #522 and #533 from the link below:
Born Again Speaking in Tongues - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Also see posts #306 #307 324 #325 from the link below:
"What must I do to be saved?" - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Also see posts #228 and #235 from the "Saved by faith alone" thread.
Saved by faith alone? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
*BTW you never did answer my question from post #235. "Since your pet verses on baptism "on the surface" merely "appear" to teach what you claim, should we also interpret John 6:54-56 to mean that we literally eat Jesus' flesh and literally drink His blood when we partake of the Lord's supper?" Do you believe in the false Roman Catholic doctrine of "transubstantiation?"
Your belief is not in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of your salvation which demonstrates that you have not yet repented (changed your mind) and believed the gospel. (Acts 11:17,18; 20:21; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Your belief is primarily in water baptism using the specific formula "in Jesus name" as the means of your salvation. You have a misplaced faith.
In Acts 10:43-47, we see that these Gentiles believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (spiritual gift which is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE receiving water baptism. This is known as repentance unto life. (Acts 11:17,18) *Hermeneutics.
I share in that same hope and I also hope these same people will not be deceived by false teachers who preach a false gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)
The enemy fights tooth and nail to keep people blind to the truth that salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9) The enemy knows that as long as he can keep you from trusting in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of your salvation (John 1:12; 3:18; 10:9; 14:6; Acts 4:12) he has you right where he wants you! Christ's finished work of redemption is sufficient and complete to save believers. No supplements needed. (Romans 3:24-28; 4:5-6; 5:1-2)
That sounds like an argument from Oneness Pentecostals - "must be water baptized using the specific formula "in Jesus name" or else you will perish." According to your false gospel, if a believer is water baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, they will perish. *NOWHERE does the Bible say water baptized or condemned. As explained to you many times before, the phrase, “in Jesus name,” is not a reference to a salvation baptismal formula but a reference to authority. The proper way to baptize in Jesus name/by the authority of Jesus is to say, “I baptize you in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit.” (Matthew 28:19) Oneness Pentecostal folks are simply in error.
https://carm.org/oneness-pentecostal/must-baptism-be-in-jesus-name-baptize/
Luke 24:47 doesn't even mention baptism. Acts 22:16 and Acts 2:38 have already been explained to you multiple times.
See posts #522 and #533 from the link below:
Born Again Speaking in Tongues - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Also see posts #306 #307 324 #325 from the link below:
"What must I do to be saved?" - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
Also see posts #228 and #235 from the "Saved by faith alone" thread.
Saved by faith alone? - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums
*BTW you never did answer my question from post #235. "Since your pet verses on baptism "on the surface" merely "appear" to teach what you claim, should we also interpret John 6:54-56 to mean that we literally eat Jesus' flesh and literally drink His blood when we partake of the Lord's supper?" Do you believe in the false Roman Catholic doctrine of "transubstantiation?"
Your belief is not in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ as the ALL-SUFFICIENT means of your salvation which demonstrates that you have not yet repented (changed your mind) and believed the gospel. (Acts 11:17,18; 20:21; Romans 1:16; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4) Your belief is primarily in water baptism using the specific formula "in Jesus name" as the means of your salvation. You have a misplaced faith.
In Acts 10:43-47, we see that these Gentiles believed, received the gift of the Holy Spirit and spoke in tongues (spiritual gift which is ONLY for the body of Christ - 1 Corinthians 12) and were saved BEFORE receiving water baptism. This is known as repentance unto life. (Acts 11:17,18) *Hermeneutics.
I share in that same hope and I also hope these same people will not be deceived by false teachers who preach a false gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9; 2 Corinthians 4:3,4)
Amen! Well said. Paul clearly states that we are saved through faith "apart from additions or modifications" (hence, faith alone) and not by works. Paul did not need to specifically add the word "alone" next to faith in Ephesians 2:8 in order for us to figure that out. The word faith here in Ephesians 2:8 stands alone in connection with have been saved. This is not rocket science.
If you tell someone that you are going to give them $20 does that mean you are going to give them $20 alone or $20 and a bag of potato chips? Obviously $20 alone, even though you did not specifically spell out the word "alone" to them when you told them you are going to give them $20. Plain and simple.
That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to place their faith in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.
If you tell someone that you are going to give them $20 does that mean you are going to give them $20 alone or $20 and a bag of potato chips? Obviously $20 alone, even though you did not specifically spell out the word "alone" to them when you told them you are going to give them $20. Plain and simple.
That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works-salvationists to ACCEPT. It's a shame that human pride will not allow works-salvationists to place their faith in Jesus Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of their salvation. Their hands are full of their works, and they will not let go in order to receive Christ through faith.
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