Is Physical Healing Provided In The Atonement?

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wolfwint

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LOL ----Not surprised ----- many get irritated as to how much work it takes bring God's promises to manifest in this physical realm -----most just want what they want right away and cave in and quit the process when they don't see results right away ----God works on His time not our time -----Healing is a promise and God honors His promises but it comes with waiting on God -----

The Scriptures tell you what you need to do to get healing ---you just have to research and obey the Word -----the Word works -----

Proverbs 18:21----Your WORDS Matter ------speaking that your sick when you want healing is contaminating your Faith in Jesus to Heal you ----if people would get this their life would be much better -----positive speaking brings positive results ----

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Death and life are in the power of the tongue, And those who love it and indulge it will eat its fruit and bear the consequences of their words.

WORDS have great Power---- People ----
I already said what I had to say.
Your teachings sounds biblical. But they are not regarding healing.
 

studentoftheword

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Your teachings sounds biblical. But they are not regarding healing.
so in your heart your have unbelief and so your mouth speaks what is in your heart -------so you will never have the healing God wants you to have ---and that is your choice ----- my choice was different and I reaped what I sowed ----Healing -----which is God's Will for His Children -----
 

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Lazarus was raised from the dead, the ultimate healing. Of course we can't live forever because our bodies are mortal. But Jesus never said no, He never refused to heal anyone who came to Him.
Amen!

1) On the earth He never refused to heal everyone in Israel, so that
they could "meet the first requirement" to be a "nation of priests
unto God" (Matthew_4:24; Acts_5:16 cp Leviticus_21:21)


2) The Twelve apostles continued to 'heal everyone'
(Mat_4:24, 8:16, 9:35, 12:15; Mark 6:56; Luke 4:40, 6:17,19, 8:43, 47;
Acts 3:11, 5:15)


( earthly ) Prophecy / Covenants / Law with twelve apostles for
twelve tribes of Israel


Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From Things That Differ" (online)

( Heavenly ) Mystery / Grace with One apostle for One Body Of Christ

Everyone 'healed,' Yes?

1) In the beginning of Paul's ministry to The Body Of Christ,
he had the 'gift' of special miracles ( 'sign' gifts confirming
his 'apostleship'? (Acts 19:11-12), Correct?


2) However, at the end of his ministry the 'sign gifts' and the
'gift of healing' were withdrawn, By God Himself (1 Timothy 5:23;
2 Timothy 4:20 cp Philippians 2:26). Correct?


Why would God Do That? Bible Answer:

3) Paul prayed Three times for his own "thorn in the flesh" -
( critics say 'unbelief', But: ) God's Answer?:


"And He Said Unto me, My Grace Is Sufficient For thee:
for My Strength Is Made Perfect in weakness. Most
gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities,
The Power Of Christ may rest upon me."
(2 Corinthians 12:9 cp v 10; 2 Corinthians 11:23-30)
+

4) Grace Word For our infirmities!
---------------------------------------------------
Conclusion: "Healing By God ( apart from the 'sign gifts' )" Today,
( living in the Correct
* Dispensation: ) Under Grace, then depends
On God's Word Of Truth,
Rightly Divided, Correct?

Amen.

* UnScriptural or UNdispensational?
 

studentoftheword

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The Suffering Servant -----Prophecy from Isaiah


Isaiah 53

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53 Who has believed (trusted in, relied upon, and clung to) our message [of that which was revealed to us]? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been disclosed?

2 For [the Servant of God] grew up before Him like a tender plant, and like a root out of dry ground; He has no form or comeliness [royal, kingly pomp], that we should look at Him, and no beauty that we should desire Him.

3 He was despised and rejected and forsaken by men, a Man of sorrows and pains, and acquainted with grief and sickness; and like One from Whom men hide their faces He was despised, and we did not appreciate His worth or have any esteem for Him.

4 Surely He has borne our griefs (sicknesses, weaknesses, and distresses) and carried our sorrows and pains [of punishment], yet we [ignorantly] considered Him stricken, smitten, and afflicted by God [as if with leprosy].

5 But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our guilt and iniquities; the chastisement [needful to obtain] peace and well-being for us was upon Him, and with the stripes [that wounded] Him we are healed and made whole.

6 All we like sheep have gone astray, we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has made to light upon Him the guilt and iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed, [yet when] He was afflicted, He was submissive and opened not His mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so He opened not His mouth.

8 By oppression and judgment He was taken away; and as for His generation, who among them considered that He was cut off out of the land of the living [stricken to His death] for the transgression of my [Isaiah’s] people, to whom the stroke was due?

9 And they assigned Him a grave with the wicked, and with a rich man in His death, although He had done no violence, neither was any deceit in His mouth.

10 Yet it was the will of the Lord to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief and made Him sick. When You and He make His life an offering for sin [and He has risen from the dead, in time to come], He shall see His [spiritual] offspring, He shall prolong His days, and the will and pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in His hand.

11 He shall see [the fruit] of the travail of His soul and be satisfied; by His knowledge of Himself [which He possesses and imparts to others] shall My [uncompromisingly] righteous One, My Servant, justify many and make many righteous (upright and in right standing with God), for He shall bear their iniquities and their guilt [with the consequences, says the Lord].

12 Therefore will I divide Him a portion with the great [kings and rulers], and He shall divide the spoil with the mighty, because He poured out His life unto death, and [He let Himself] be regarded as a criminal and be numbered with the transgressors; yet He bore [and took away] the sin of many and made intercession for the transgressors (the rebellious)

Matthew 8:17
New American Standard Bible
This happened so that what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet would be fulfilled: “HE HIMSELF TOOK OUR ILLNESSES AND CARRIED AWAY OUR DISEASES.”

NASB 1995
This was to fulfill what was spoken through Isaiah the prophet: HE HIMSELF TOOK OUR INFIRMITIES AND CARRIED AWAY OUR DISEASES.”


1 Peter 2:23-25

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23 When He was reviled and insulted, He did not revile or offer insult in return; [when] He was abused and suffered, He made no threats [of vengeance]; but he trusted [Himself and everything] to Him Who judges fairly.
24 He personally bore our sins in His [own] body on the tree [a][as on an altar and offered Himself on it], that we might die (cease to exist) to sin and live to righteousness. By His wounds you have been healed.

NOTICE ---YOU ALREADY HAVE BEEN HEALED ---HEALING IS THERE ____BUT your unbelief is in the way -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Scripture is very clear here -----so anyone having a problem with healing need to talk to God about their unbelief in what He says in His Word ------Who is Jesus ------many here say they believe the scriptures but not in Healing ----so what your saying is you really don't believe in the Scriptures --you pick and choose what scriptures you want to believe in and discard the rest because of your unbelief ------

So Sad------

 

selahsays

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…selah…
We all know this, that prior to His death, Jesus Christ (our Advocate, our Intercessor and Meditator) underwent a great deal of pain and suffering. God looked down upon His Son dying on that cross and permitted it. Why? because God loved you so much that He was willing to allow His only Son to go through all the humiliation and curses and lashing and agony—being spit upon and having thorns driven into his skull—in order to pay the price so that people like you and me may turn to Him in repentance and ask forgiveness for the sins we commit. Hebrews 2:14–18 explains the reason behind all of the suffering that Jesus endured:

Inasmuch then as the children have partaken of flesh and blood, He Himself likewise shared in the same, that through death He might destroy him who had the power of death, that is, the devil, and release those who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage. For indeed He does not give aid to angels, but He does give aid to the seed of Abraham. Therefore, in all things He had to be made like His brethren, that He might be a merciful and faithful High Priest in things pertaining to God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. - Hebrews 2:14-17

But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. - Isaiah 53:5-6
 

wolfwint

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so in your heart your have unbelief and so your mouth speaks what is in your heart -------so you will never have the healing God wants you to have ---and that is your choice ----- my choice was different and I reaped what I sowed ----Healing -----which is God's Will for His Children -----
What I told you has nothing to do with unbelieve! I trust in Gods word, but not in man made teaching which has nothing to do with that what is taught in the bible.
F.e. where is it taught that divine healig is a process? Please show me this part in the bible.
 

studentoftheword

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What I told you has nothing to do with unbelieve! I trust in Gods word, b
No--you don't trust in God's Word ---as you don't believe in what the Scripture is saying -----you only believe in what you want to believe in ------the Word ----who is Jesus --who is your Healer --tells you very plainly what you need to do to be Healed and you refuse to believe what Jesus says to do to have your healing ---there is no man made healing --you follow the Word and do as it says -and you get the results on God';s time not your time -------I am proof of that -----

So have your sickness and disease ----your not hurting me by your unbelief and your lack of research to pursue your healing -----:)

this is not man talking here -----this is God -------you either believe it or you don't -----and you don't believe in healing which God says is there for you ------your words matter ------your Trust matters -----your mustard seed faith that is grounded and rooted in Jesus to heal you ---matters -----Forgiveness matters ---believing that your healing is done matters -----believing the Word will not return VOID ---matters ---- Believing that when you ask for the healing you have received ---it Matters -----Making sure that healing for you is God's will --Matters -----all in Scripture -----

Satan doesn't want you to believe in God's Healing you -------his job is to keep you from being healed and he is doing his job with many on this subject ------sad to say -----


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1690242717759.jpeg ---your either believe this ot you don't and you don't ---you have made that clear ----
 

Bob-Carabbio

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Basic science.
If you prefer delusion to truth that is your perogative sadly it reflects poorly on the rest of us Christians who know the truth that healing is not part of the atonement ... let me see I can find the false teacher that started this nonsense.

Of course, here we go why am I not surprised....

CHARLES PARHAM’S Bethel Healing Home in Topeka, Kansas, in January 1901. Parham believed that healing is in the atonement.
Link

Unfortunately Parham died of disease, oh the irony.
My favorite has always been Hobart Freeman, who died of a fully treatable infection, that he had been "Healed of by God".
 

Blade

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No--you don't trust in God's Word ---as you don't believe in what the Scripture is saying -----you only believe in what you want to believe in ------the Word ----who is Jesus --who is your Healer --tells you very plainly what you need to do to be Healed and you refuse to believe what Jesus says to do to have your healing ---there is no man made healing --you follow the Word and do as it says -and you get the results on God';s time not your time -------I am proof of that -----

So have your sickness and disease ----your not hurting me by your unbelief and your lack of research to pursue your healing -----:)

this is not man talking here -----this is God -------you either believe it or you don't -----and you don't believe in healing which God says is there for you ------your words matter ------your Trust matters -----your mustard seed faith that is grounded and rooted in Jesus to heal you ---matters -----Forgiveness matters ---believing that your healing is done matters -----believing the Word will not return VOID ---matters ---- Believing that when you ask for the healing you have received ---it Matters -----Making sure that healing for you is God's will --Matters -----all in Scripture -----

Satan doesn't want you to believe in God's Healing you -------his job is to keep you from being healed and he is doing his job with many on this subject ------sad to say -----


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Hey my bother... its the part "no you don't believe". We know God talks to us different ways. Not many times where you hear Him.. far and few in-between for me. Was saved for so many years and He says to do something and I question it right at the start. Yet if you had asked me before.. does God know all, would you do you obey Him if He tells you do something anything? yes yes yes! Duh. Yet when push comes to shove I questioned it right at the start. What did He say back? "When God tells you to do something you don't question it you just do it". Smile yes sir.

So yeah just me I can apply what you said to so many areas of my life where its very clear if you take parts of it and then match to what God said...no I didn't at that time believe nor trust Him. So hard to admit. Abraham believed God the Father of us all YES AMEN.. yet took what 25 years off? Haha.

Not to boast forgive me been blessed to know some great men woman of God.. one you would say was.. they prayed it always I mean always happened. How did they die? Cancer. What they shared with me when I 1st met them was.. its so easy to pray for others but when it comes to your self it can be a night mar. I know this so well. You always hear the classic why don't you just go into hospital and heal them all. Didn't work that way in Jesus day .. then it wont now. He knew if we read those that would believe.. this happened also with Paul. Some people just don't understand or really like it if you say "you didn't have faith". lets back that up shall we

"This man was listening to the words of Paul, who looked intently at him and saw that he had faith to be healed. ". Sorry so many do not know understand faith. We all have the measure of faith. If we never used it we still don't even have faith the size of a mustered seed.

So my bother to say I believe Christ can come back any moment.. do I? So do you truly in your heart believe anyone that does not hear the gospel is lost forever (NO ONE SHOULD REPLY TO THAT. For God will hold you accountable). I can post type YES I believe that yet.. I am not sharing Christ with everyone I meet. Oh always always always praying.. offer to pray for some but.. yeah they pull away really fast haha. Some.. Sorry I could really keep going here
 

wolfwint

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No--you don't trust in God's Word ---as you don't believe in what the Scripture is saying -----you only believe in what you want to believe in ------the Word ----who is Jesus --who is your Healer --tells you very plainly what you need to do to be Healed and you refuse to believe what Jesus says to do to have your healing ---there is no man made healing --you follow the Word and do as it says -and you get the results on God';s time not your time -------I am proof of that -----

So have your sickness and disease ----your not hurting me by your unbelief and your lack of research to pursue your healing -----:)

this is not man talking here -----this is God -------you either believe it or you don't -----and you don't believe in healing which God says is there for you ------your words matter ------your Trust matters -----your mustard seed faith that is grounded and rooted in Jesus to heal you ---matters -----Forgiveness matters ---believing that your healing is done matters -----believing the Word will not return VOID ---matters ---- Believing that when you ask for the healing you have received ---it Matters -----Making sure that healing for you is God's will --Matters -----all in Scripture -----

Satan doesn't want you to believe in God's Healing you -------his job is to keep you from being healed and he is doing his job with many on this subject ------sad to say -----


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Studentoftheword, where in the bible it is taught that divine healing is a process and I have to research to pursue my healing? Please show me!!
 

Aussie52

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People! let's keep it civil. You are not mind readers so be careful with your accusations please. We are Christians.
 

studentoftheword

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Studentoftheword, where in the bible it is taught that divine healing is a process and I have to research to pursue my healing? Please show me!!
Wolfwint ------I have to post this in 2 lots as it is to much for one post -----

I have already explained to you that healing is a process -----the journey of just being a true Christian and walking Christ like is a process ------you need to grow in your Spiritual walk ----a Babe in Christ is on milk ---to get to solid food is a process ---to get to a more mature position in your walk with Christ is a process ----Healing takes great trust ----and unwavering Faith -----the Christian journey is a process and manifesting God's Promises in this Physical realm is a process that we have to work on ---

you can call it whatever you want to but you need to grow your trust that you will be healed ------when you pray for your healing -----process --maturing ----etc -----

Satan is our enemy and is here to take your Faith -------that his his job ------keeping doubt --fear --unbelief --anxiety out of our thought life is a process ----PROTOCOL needed before you can get your healing prayer answered ----as all these will hinder you getting your divine healing

Your Ignorance is showing here ---you must think that your healing just happens ----God is a big magic machine -----and gives healing without any work from us -------WRONG ------

Protocol --process for answered prayer----which has to be in place for you to pray for Divine healing
Proverbs 28:9
If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.

John 15:7
If you remain in Me and My Words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

IF you is a condition ----there is a process to get answered prayer ----you pray for healing and your heard if you ------Process ----to get your healing prayer answered

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Philippians 4:6
Do not be anxious about anything, b
ut in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

John 9:31
We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him.

James 1:6
But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.

Matthew 21:21-22
Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt,and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.’”

2 Chronicles 7:14
If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven,

James 4:3
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives – that you may spend what you get on your [own] pleasures.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
Rejoice always; pray without ceasing; in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

you can't get healing if you can't get your prayer answered ----so process is in place for that---
 

studentoftheword

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Things that have to be worked on and over come ---before healing can take effect ----it is a process of maturing by practicing and getting these hindrances out of the way ------this takes work and time from us --

Hindrances to Receiving healing
Unbelief
This one is indeed the major stumbling block. Unbelief makes the power of God ineffective. Wherever unbelief thrives, the power of God is limited. We see a vivid example of this in the new testament;
Matthew 13:58
And He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.​

I say ------The Process is overcoming unbelief ------

Ignorance (Lack of accurate knowledge) on the subject of healing

Nothing sponsors unbelief like ignorance. It is difficult to believe what you are ignorant of. That is why God instructs us to study his word constantly and acquire the knowledge that puts us over the world. The more of God’s word you study and meditate on, the less likely you are to live in unbelief.

I say ------The Process is to study and meditate on His word ----this takes time --effort -----steadfastness -----to gain the right knowledge and Faith needed to overcome unbelief -----

Common Barriers to healing

1. Ignorance
We are talking about ignorant of what the Bible teaches; ignorant of what God has already provided for you and ignorant of how to receive it. There are many warnings in the Scripture about ignorance and two of them are from the prophets.

A. The Lord said through Isaiah, "Therefore my people have gone into captivity. Because they have no knowledge; their honorable men are famished and their multitude dried up with thirst" (Isaiah 5:13, emphasis added).

Due to their lack of knowledge and ignorance God's people have gone into captivity, both physically and spiritually. Multitudes of professing Christians and Churchgoers today have gone into spiritual captivity. because they don't know what God has provided for them and don't know how to receive God's provision.

B. The Lord said through Hosea, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being a priest for Me; because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children" (Hosea 4:6, emphasis added).

Again this is a picture of many of the professing Christian Church today. Notice that Christians are made priest and kings to God the Father (Revelation 1:6).

2. Unbelief
It is not enough to have heard the Word of God and have understanding in what God was telling you, but you have to believe it it.

Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; ..." (John 16:8, 9, emphasis added).

Therefore unbelief is not just a harmless weakness, but it is both of evil and of sin. We need to repent and renounce it before we can minister and receive healing.

3. Unconfessed sin
Solomon said, "He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy" (Proverbs 28:13).

Without the mercy of God no one could minister or receive healing.
The psalmist said, "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear" (Ps. 66:18).

When there is unconfessed sin between God and you, God will not hear any of your prayers including your prayer for healing.

4. Unforgiveness
Jesus said, "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him,
(Mark 11:25, 26).

Obviously Jesus was talking about a barrier that keeps God from forgiving you and from answering your prayer. If you have any unforgiveness, any resentment, any bitterness in your heart against anyone, before you go further you must forgive and lay down that resentment and bitterness.

I say -----Practicing to let go of any unforgiveness ---resentment and bitterness in the heart takes practice ---time ----steadfastness to accomplish so healing is not hindered -------

5. Occult involvement
This concerns the involvement of all kinds of satanic supernatural activities, superstition, fortune telling, worshipping the dead and various kinds of magic and charm. This includes anything that dishornor Jesus and honor Satan.

Moses warned the children of Israel about serving false gods and their images in Exodus 23.
So you shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you" (Exodus 23:24, 25, emphasis added).

6. Unscriptural covenant
The children of God must not make any unscriptural covenant with people who are in some way associated with false gods.


Moses said, "You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods" (Exodus 23:32).
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I say -----I was involved in Yoga -----and had to break away from attending that -----as that is connected to Buddhism -----and didn't realize that just doing the exercises still ties in with mind meditation --which relied on self not God -----

So if this doesn't answer your question -----divine healing comes by preparing yourself to receive it ---

God did His Part ----you have to now do your part --------

where in the bible it is taught that divine healing is a process and I have to research to pursue my healing?

Then you will have to resort to God for your answer ---and hopefully He will answer your prayer if you follow His way to get answered prayer ---cause God says this -----

Proverbs 28:9
If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.

There is a process to divine healing ----believe it or not
 

wolfwint

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Wolfwint ------I have to post this in 2 lots as it is to much for one post -----

I have already explained to you that healing is a process -----the journey of just being a true Christian and walking Christ like is a process ------you need to grow in your Spiritual walk ----a Babe in Christ is on milk ---to get to solid food is a process ---to get to a more mature position in your walk with Christ is a process ----Healing takes great trust ----and unwavering Faith -----the Christian journey is a process and manifesting God's Promises in this Physical realm is a process that we have to work on ---

you can call it whatever you want to but you need to grow your trust that you will be healed ------when you pray for your healing -----process --maturing ----etc -----

Satan is our enemy and is here to take your Faith -------that his his job ------keeping doubt --fear --unbelief --anxiety out of our thought life is a process ----PROTOCOL needed before you can get your healing prayer answered ----as all these will hinder you getting your divine healing

Your Ignorance is showing here ---you must think that your healing just happens ----God is a big magic machine -----and gives healing without any work from us -------WRONG ------

Protocol --process for answered prayer----which has to be in place for you to pray for Divine healing
Proverbs 28:9
If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.

John 15:7
If you remain in Me and My Words remain in you, ask whatever you wish, and it will be done for you.

IF you is a condition ----there is a process to get answered prayer ----you pray for healing and your heard if you ------Process ----to get your healing prayer answered

Mark 11:24
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

Philippians 4:6
Do not be anxious about anything, b
ut in every situation, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God.

John 9:31
We know that God does not hear sinners; but if anyone is God-fearing and does His will, He hears him.

James 1:6
But when you ask, you must believe and not doubt, because the one who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind.

Matthew 21:21-22
Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt,and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.’”

2 Chronicles 7:14
If My people, who are called by My Name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from Heaven,

James 4:3
When you ask, you do not receive, because you ask with wrong motives – that you may spend what you get on your [own] pleasures.

1 Thessalonians 5:16-18
Rejoice always; pray without ceasing; in everything give thanks; for this is God’s will for you in Christ Jesus.

you can't get healing if you can't get your prayer answered ----so process is in place for that---
Nope, non of this verses showed, that divine healing is a process.
So, I am waiting 😀
 

wolfwint

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Things that have to be worked on and over come ---before healing can take effect ----it is a process of maturing by practicing and getting these hindrances out of the way ------this takes work and time from us --

Hindrances to Receiving healing
Unbelief
This one is indeed the major stumbling block. Unbelief makes the power of God ineffective. Wherever unbelief thrives, the power of God is limited. We see a vivid example of this in the new testament;
Matthew 13:58
And He did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.​

I say ------The Process is overcoming unbelief ------

Ignorance (Lack of accurate knowledge) on the subject of healing

Nothing sponsors unbelief like ignorance. It is difficult to believe what you are ignorant of. That is why God instructs us to study his word constantly and acquire the knowledge that puts us over the world. The more of God’s word you study and meditate on, the less likely you are to live in unbelief.

I say ------The Process is to study and meditate on His word ----this takes time --effort -----steadfastness -----to gain the right knowledge and Faith needed to overcome unbelief -----

Common Barriers to healing

1. Ignorance
We are talking about ignorant of what the Bible teaches; ignorant of what God has already provided for you and ignorant of how to receive it. There are many warnings in the Scripture about ignorance and two of them are from the prophets.

A. The Lord said through Isaiah, "Therefore my people have gone into captivity. Because they have no knowledge; their honorable men are famished and their multitude dried up with thirst" (Isaiah 5:13, emphasis added).

Due to their lack of knowledge and ignorance God's people have gone into captivity, both physically and spiritually. Multitudes of professing Christians and Churchgoers today have gone into spiritual captivity. because they don't know what God has provided for them and don't know how to receive God's provision.

B. The Lord said through Hosea, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge. Because you have rejected knowledge, I also will reject you from being a priest for Me; because you have forgotten the law of your God, I also will forget your children" (Hosea 4:6, emphasis added).

Again this is a picture of many of the professing Christian Church today. Notice that Christians are made priest and kings to God the Father (Revelation 1:6).

2. Unbelief
It is not enough to have heard the Word of God and have understanding in what God was telling you, but you have to believe it it.

Jesus said about the Holy Spirit, "And when He (the Holy Spirit) has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: of sin, because they do not believe in Me; ..." (John 16:8, 9, emphasis added).

Therefore unbelief is not just a harmless weakness, but it is both of evil and of sin. We need to repent and renounce it before we can minister and receive healing.

3. Unconfessed sin
Solomon said, "He who covers his sins will not prosper, but whoever confesses and forsakes them will have mercy" (Proverbs 28:13).

Without the mercy of God no one could minister or receive healing.
The psalmist said, "If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear" (Ps. 66:18).

When there is unconfessed sin between God and you, God will not hear any of your prayers including your prayer for healing.

4. Unforgiveness
Jesus said, "And whenever you stand praying, if you have anything against anyone, forgive him,
(Mark 11:25, 26).

Obviously Jesus was talking about a barrier that keeps God from forgiving you and from answering your prayer. If you have any unforgiveness, any resentment, any bitterness in your heart against anyone, before you go further you must forgive and lay down that resentment and bitterness.

I say -----Practicing to let go of any unforgiveness ---resentment and bitterness in the heart takes practice ---time ----steadfastness to accomplish so healing is not hindered -------

5. Occult involvement
This concerns the involvement of all kinds of satanic supernatural activities, superstition, fortune telling, worshipping the dead and various kinds of magic and charm. This includes anything that dishornor Jesus and honor Satan.

Moses warned the children of Israel about serving false gods and their images in Exodus 23.
So you shall serve the Lord your God, and He will bless your bread and your water. And I will take sickness away from the midst of you" (Exodus 23:24, 25, emphasis added).

6. Unscriptural covenant
The children of God must not make any unscriptural covenant with people who are in some way associated with false gods.


Moses said, "You shall make no covenant with them, nor with their gods" (Exodus 23:32).
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I say -----I was involved in Yoga -----and had to break away from attending that -----as that is connected to Buddhism -----and didn't realize that just doing the exercises still ties in with mind meditation --which relied on self not God -----

So if this doesn't answer your question -----divine healing comes by preparing yourself to receive it ---

God did His Part ----you have to now do your part --------

where in the bible it is taught that divine healing is a process and I have to research to pursue my healing?

Then you will have to resort to God for your answer ---and hopefully He will answer your prayer if you follow His way to get answered prayer ---cause God says this -----

Proverbs 28:9
If anyone turns a deaf ear to my instruction, even their prayers are detestable.

There is a process to divine healing ----believe it or not
You make much effort to explain that divine healing is a process. And if you write a book of it. Nowhere it is taught in the bible that divine physical healing is a process which takes time and effort and research from side of the believer to receive it.
 

studentoftheword

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Nope, non of this verses showed, that divine healing is a process.
So, I am waiting
so don't hold your breath as you will explode ------LOL --



as I said you will have to ask God ---- so I hope you get your prayer answered ---but your won't without going through the proper process as God will turn His face from you -------and that is His promise

You can try as you may to get divine Healing without going through the process but you will fail -----

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Nowhere it is taught in the bible that divine physical healing is a process which takes time and effort and research from side of the believer to receive it.
It is taught and that is why your not healed ---as you refuse to go the process and do as the word says ---so to bad for you -----I did the process and reaped the benefit of making the commitment to stay the course and go through the process to get the healing ----

Sad for you and good for me ----

Your lack of wisdom ---knowledge and understanding of God's divine healing process is your down fall ----




No prayer answered --no healing -----

 

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You can try as you may to get divine Healing without going through the process but you will fai
When Christ and the apostles healed people THERE WAS NO PROCESS. It was instantaneous. So you seem to be promoting an unbiblical idea.

Now with regards to what James has to say, certain conditions must definitely be met.

Is any sick among you?

CONDITION #1: let him call for the elders of the church;

CONDITION #2: and let them pray over him,

CONDITION #3: anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:

CONDITION # 4: And the prayer of faith shall save the sick,

CONDITION #5: and if he have committed sins, they shall be forgiven him. Confess your faults one to another,

CONDITION # 6: The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

GUARANTEE: and the Lord shall raise him up;
 

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The process of healing is NOT UNBIBICAL -----you people seem to have no idea how God's Kingdom works -------and what is needed to manifest His promises ------God's Kingdom works on the Farming system -----you plant the seed of healing and watch the seed take root and grow as you mature in your Faith in Jesus who is the healer -----every step is a process ------

What the Bible says about Healing Occurring in Stages
(From Forerunner Commentary)

https://www.bibletools.org/index.cf...RTD/cgg/ID/17349/Healing-Occurring-Stages.htm

This healing by stages pictures the maturation process of a believer's spiritual understanding, the conversion process each Christian experiences.
Christ's method of healing here shows that our spiritual enlightenment is a continuous process
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At first, we cannot see God's truth clearly. Most of our spiritual blindness remains, but as our faith, obedience, and growth develops, Jesus, "the author and finisher of our faith" (Hebrews 12:2), increases the clarity of our spiritual vision through the power of His Holy Spirit.


Healing Is A Process

https://adevotion.org/archive/healing-is-a-process

All healing is a process that happens through time as you continually improve in health. With God, healing can sometimes be so speeded up that to us it seems almost instant, but this is not the normal way God’s healing works.

Jesus taught us that God’s kingdom works like a seed planted in the ground which grows and produces over time (Matthew 13:31).

The important thing, and what God’s Word promises, is the end result, not how long it takes.

Many people who have not understood that healing from God is a process involving time, have given up their faith when they did not have an instant miracle recovery.

Don’t let the devil steal from you, through this wrong thinking, what Jesus paid for you to have!

The Bible tells us that healing is ours, because Jesus paid for it (1 Peter 2:24). But the Bible never says we will all receive healing instantly. Sometimes it can be very quick — and we know it is a miracle. Other times it can take awhile, but no matter how long it takes, we have the promise of God that healing is ours, giving us divine assurance that we will be healthy and whole!

All the healings of Jesus during His ministry on earth were not instantaneous, either. Mark 8:22-25 is an account of Jesus ministering to a blind man. After Jesus laid hands on the blind man he could "see men like trees, walking." In other words, he could see, but not very well. Only when Jesus laid hands on him again did his sight become clear. Although a long period of time was not involved, it does show a healing that was a process — not instantaneous.

MARK 8:25 NKJ 25 Then He put His hands on his eyes again and made him look up. And he was restored and saw everyone clearly.

Luke 17:12-19 tells of ten lepers who were healed "as they went." Healing was not manifest while they were in Jesus’ presence, but only after they left Him.

LUKE 17:14 NKJ 14 So when He saw them, He said to them, "Go, show yourselves to the priests." And so it was that as they went, they were cleansed.

John 9:6-7 tells of another healing involving some time. And John 4:52 mentions a time "when he began to get better" indicating a process of recovery.

JOHN 4:52 ESV 52 So he asked them the hour when he began to get better, and they said to him, "Yesterday at the seventh hour the fever left him."

So never accept that healing is not God's will just because it does not happen instantaneously.