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So Mormonism says we become God at some point in the future. How much did Jesus mean "ye are gods". Is it like a new birth where God died so you could be God? Adam was called the son of God. Of course we're all sons of God by adoption. Here's what I personally think: ye are gods already means we are little gods. Sometime in the forever we can progress to sinlessness and agape love ( even dying for people); even though it wouldn't take away sin like Jesus. We can grow the God in us or cultivate it. But we won't be Jesus. That would be like exploding. Imagine knowing everything or hearing millions of prayers. So what would it be to be perfected. Forever is a long time. It's pretty much like the few on the straight and narrow, that someone might give up sin. I don't think we become all powerful and all knowing. But it's already true that God patterned His kingdom after God. Those who want to be the chiefest must serve everyone. Apostles went through more like Jesus but got to rule the people. I disagree we become Jesus but I think a saint a million years old could rule a people. Other planets is also neat. Just to consider God could have created more people. But maybe 8 billion people is enough. Now let the crappy naysaying begin!
 

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So Mormonism says we become God at some point in the future. How much did Jesus mean "ye are gods". Is it like a new birth where God died so you could be God? Adam was called the son of God. Of course we're all sons of God by adoption. Here's what I personally think: ye are gods already means we are little gods. Sometime in the forever we can progress to sinlessness and agape love ( even dying for people); even though it wouldn't take away sin like Jesus. We can grow the God in us or cultivate it. But we won't be Jesus. That would be like exploding. Imagine knowing everything or hearing millions of prayers. So what would it be to be perfected. Forever is a long time. It's pretty much like the few on the straight and narrow, that someone might give up sin. I don't think we become all powerful and all knowing. But it's already true that God patterned His kingdom after God. Those who want to be the chiefest must serve everyone. Apostles went through more like Jesus but got to rule the people. I disagree we become Jesus but I think a saint a million years old could rule a people. Other planets is also neat. Just to consider God could have created more people. But maybe 8 billion people is enough. Now let the crappy naysaying begin!
If we are all little gods this would favour No god above God or no need to Have a Father, or even A God whos design is one where there's no need for choice or freedom to be a unique person,

There is no good reasoning for this idea, however you word it or reason with it
 
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Jesus was refering to psalm 82 which is saying that they are judges with power over life and death according to the law of God, not that they are supernatural all powerful self existing beings.
There are many passages about other gods. This dont mean that there are actually other gods, they are objects or imagination placed in the place of God (worshipped and obeyed) by humans
god with little g are never of the same substance as God capital G. Little g gods are a rhetorical term, not a term of actual substance.
When you die amd stand before God and He judges you, you will know that you are not a God or even a god.
 

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Little gods is WoF teaching. Joyce Meyer, among others, taught it.
 

montana123

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Joseph Smith had a belief that was not part of the Bible, and it became his foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

The Roman Catholic Church did the same for they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and that is why they the things they do, and interpret scriptures the way they do.

Christian Science, Scientology, new age movement, the same thing which these are seriously flawed churches.
 

Nehemiah6

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Joseph Smith had a belief that was not part of the Bible, and it became his foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.

The Roman Catholic Church did the same for they did not get rid of their pagan, and occult ways, and that is why they the things they do, and interpret scriptures the way they do.

Christian Science, Scientology, new age movement, the same thing which these are seriously flawed churches.
"Cults" would be more appropriate for all of them.
 

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" "ye are gods". " I like this. There are some out there that preach something about this and those that attack it make fun it yeah.. so far off on this. Well as I always do I called looked into watched all the videos and listen didn't judge..haha as if duh I know what I believe is the real truth. Fact we are Gods. Satan is called the god of this world yet why is it that's ok but "ye are Gods" oooh that's evil wrong! So your made in the image of God. Now this is where it goes north south east west. Well we all try to explain exactly what that means yet its not written. We can do so many things that nothing else in creation can do. There is no angel that can call GOD their Father.. I in the movies they do it.

"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High". Now I can see how some OT NT can might get this wrong for me its like saying "you belong to God and are children of the most high. You are God's. That's right I belong to Him. I know I was made in His image He is in me Christ in me the sweet sweet holy Spirit in me we are one. Yeah not even going to try to figure that out yet I am no god there is only one. I have no power of my own.. gets stupid...well just life is because of Him.. the air on the just and unjust.
 

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Curious: Did anyone here vote for Romney when he ran for president?
 

Aaron56

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What does that have to do with anything?
Mormonism.

In the 80’s, the church knew for certain that the Church of Latter Day Saints was a cult and that their teachings were evil.
Then, when a prominent Mormon figure (Romney) ran for president, the vast majority of the Evangelical and historical church members voted for him.

It’s easy to dismiss the sincerity of someone riling against Mormonism who, at one time, chose a Mormon leader as their representative.
 

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Joseph Smith had a belief that was not part of the Bible, and it became his foundation for the interpreting of scriptures.
You're not wrong, but

The little gods thing isn't even a Joe Smith thing, it was Brigham Young.
 

Nehemiah6

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"I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High".
It seems that you do not really understand why this is the the Bible. It was primarily for the judges or magistrates of Israel, as deemed to be "mighty ones" (not little gods as applied to Christians).

אֱלֹהִים ʼĕlôhîym, el-o-heem'; plural of H433; gods in the ordinary sense; but specifically used (in the plural thus, especially with the article) of the supreme God; occasionally applied by way of deference to magistrates.

Jesus said that if God was willing to call magistrates elohim, how much more did that designation apply to the Son of God, who is in fact God the Son?
 

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So Mormonism says we become God at some point in the future. How much did Jesus mean "ye are gods". Is it like a new birth where God died so you could be God? Adam was called the son of God. Of course we're all sons of God by adoption. Here's what I personally think: ye are gods already means we are little gods. Sometime in the forever we can progress to sinlessness and agape love ( even dying for people); even though it wouldn't take away sin like Jesus. We can grow the God in us or cultivate it. But we won't be Jesus. That would be like exploding. Imagine knowing everything or hearing millions of prayers. So what would it be to be perfected. Forever is a long time. It's pretty much like the few on the straight and narrow, that someone might give up sin. I don't think we become all powerful and all knowing. But it's already true that God patterned His kingdom after God. Those who want to be the chiefest must serve everyone. Apostles went through more like Jesus but got to rule the people. I disagree we become Jesus but I think a saint a million years old could rule a people. Other planets is also neat. Just to consider God could have created more people. But maybe 8 billion people is enough. Now let the crappy naysaying begin!
LDS believe,
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We Believe That Verse
Latter-day Saints believe in our divine heritage (God is the Father of our spirits) and in eternal progression after this life. We believe that eventually, someday, humankind may rise to god-level stature in the eternities – if we do our part." ... "Latter-day Saints believe in these verses’ simple, powerful, beautiful message. God is the Father of our spirits. We are made in His regal image and patterned after Him. We bear His spiritual DNA and we have an important destiny. "
https://divinecode.page/you-are-not-christian-if-you-believe-psalms-82/
 

TheLearner

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In John 10, Jesus cites Psalm 82:6 and repeats the statement that “you are gods.” The context is a confrontation between Jesus and the Jews at the Festival of Dedication. They ask Him to reveal plainly if He is the Messiah (John 10:24). Jesus responds that His actions prove He is the Messiah, and then He claims equality with God by saying, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). At that, the Jews pick up stones to stone Him for blasphemy (John 10:31–33), but Jesus reasons with them by quoting Psalm 82:6: “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?” Who are the “gods” of Psalm 82:6, and what exactly is Jesus’ point in saying, “You are gods” in John 10:34 (or “ye are gods” in the KJV)?

Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is elohim. The term elohim is most frequently used to refer to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Yahweh is referred to as the Elohim above all elohim (Psalm 95:3). Other uses of the term elohim include spiritual beings such as angels (Job 2:1; 38:7); demons, idols, and gods of foreign nations (Genesis 35:4; Deuteronomy 32:17; 1 Kings 11:33); and the disembodied dead (1 Samuel 28:13). The Hebrew word elohim is also translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28. Whom, then, does God call “gods” in Psalm 82:6? There are two main views:

1) The “gods” are supernatural beings who rule under God. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” In the Hebrew, the phrase translated “great assembly” speaks of a divine congregation or a divine council. Some interpret this passage as God warning that those in the divine council who continue making unjust decisions will die “like mere mortals” and “fall like all other rulers” (Psalm 82:2, 6–8). God created hell for Satan and his angels (Matthew 25:41), and we know He will bring justice to them at the right time. They will fall like mere mortals.

2) The “gods” of Psalm 82 are human magistrates, judges, and rulers who have been granted authority in the earth. In this view, the whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Psalm 82:6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’ But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” According to this view, God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people (see Exodus 7:1). Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in Psalm 82:8. Human rulers are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they use that authority.

Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. When Jesus quotes Psalm 82, He says that the statement “you are gods” was directed to those “to whom the word of God came” (John 10:35). That is, those who received the message of God were called “gods.” Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25–30). The unbelieving Jews responded by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6 and says, “If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came—and Scripture cannot be set aside—what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world?” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to others besides God. If those who hold a divinely appointed office or those who have a divine position in the spiritual realm can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (John 10:34–36)?

Mormonism uses these texts as proof texts to show the eventual divinity of man. However, neither of these passages is proof that man can attain godhood. We must beware of the lie that the serpent used to deceive Eve in the garden: “Your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God” (Genesis 3:5). This was a half-truth. Their eyes were opened (verse 7), but they did not become like God. In fact, they lost authority, rather than gaining it. Satan deceived Eve about her ability to become like the one true God, and so led her into a lie. Jesus defended His claim to be the Son of God on biblical and semantic grounds—there is a sense in which influential men and spiritual beings can be referred to as “gods”; therefore, the Messiah can rightly apply the term to Himself. Human beings are not “gods” or “little gods.” They will never become gods. God is God, and we who know Christ are His children.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/you-are-gods.html
 

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"Bible Gateway Exodus 7 :: NIV. Then the LORD said to Moses, "See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh, and your brother Aaron will be your prophet. You are to say everything I command you, and your brother Aaron is to tell Pharaoh to let the Israelites go out of his country. he will not listen to you. "

The "gods" in Psalms 82, John 10 and Exodus 7 are simply those who the real only G_d granted authority over others.

Isaiah 43:10
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10 The Lord says, “You people are my witnesses and the servant I chose. I chose you so that you would help people believe me. I chose you so that you would understand that ‘I Am He’—I am the true God. There was no God before me, and there will be no God after me.
 

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The only way we have the divine nature in us is by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

2 Peter 1
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1 Greetings from Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ.

To all of you who share in the same valuable faith that we have. This faith was given to us because our God and Savior Jesus Christ always does what is good and right.

2 Grace and peace be given to you more and more, because now you know God and Jesus our Lord.

God Has Given Us Everything We Need
3 Jesus has the power of God. And his power has given us everything we need to live a life devoted to God. We have these things because we know him. Jesus chose us by his glory and goodness, 4 through which he also gave us the very great and rich gifts that he promised us. With these gifts you can share in being like God. And so you will escape the ruin that comes to people in the world because of the evil things they want.

5 Because you have these blessings, do all you can to add to your life these things: to your faith add goodness; to your goodness add knowledge; 6 to your knowledge add self-control; to your self-control add patience; to your patience add devotion to God; 7 to your devotion add kindness toward your brothers and sisters in Christ, and to this kindness add love. 8 If all these things are in you and growing, you will never fail to be useful to God. You will produce the kind of fruit that should come from your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 But those who don’t grow in these blessings are blind. They cannot see clearly what they have. They have forgotten that they were cleansed from their past sins.

10 My brothers and sisters, God called you and chose you to be his. Do your best to live in a way that shows you really are God’s called and chosen people. If you do all this, you will never fall. 11 And you will be given a very great welcome into the kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, a kingdom that never ends.

12 You already know these things. You are very strong in the truth you have. But I am always going to help you remember them. 13 While I am still living here on earth, I think it is right for me to remind you of them. 14 I know that I must soon leave this body. Our Lord Jesus Christ has shown me that. 15 I will try my best to make sure you remember these things even after I am gone.

We Saw Christ’s Glory
16 We told you about the power of our Lord Jesus Christ. We told you about his coming. The things we told you were not just clever stories that people invented. No, we saw the greatness of Jesus with our own eyes. 17 Jesus heard the voice of the great and glorious God. That was when he received honor and glory from God the Father. The voice said, “This is my Son, the one I love. I am very pleased with him.” 18 And we heard that voice. It came from heaven while we were with Jesus on the holy mountain.[a]

19 This makes us more sure about what the prophets said. And it is good for you to follow closely what they said, which is like a light shining in a dark place. You have that light until the day begins and the morning star brings new light to your minds. 20 Most important of all, you must understand this: No prophecy in the Scriptures comes from the prophet’s own understanding. 21 No prophecy ever came from what some person wanted to say. But people were led by the Holy Spirit and spoke words from God.

Footnotes
2 Peter 1:18 This event is described in the Gospels. See Mt. 17:1-8; Mk. 9:2-8; Lk. 9:28-36.