In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

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Revelation 20:11-15
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. KJV


This SECOND death is the death of a soul. Then you are no more ever again for ever. the FIRST death was when you died in this world and they buried your carcass in the grave―but as you can see, YOU continued on till Judgement Day, though you did not have a flesh body any longer. Did not Paul explain that we have TWO bodies?

1 Corinthians 15:42-53
42 So also is the resurrection of the dead. It [flesh] is sown in corruption; it [our spirit from that flesh body] is raised in incorruption [a spiritual non-perishable body]:
43 It is sown in dishonour [our flesh bodies]; it is raised in glory [our spiritual bodies]: it is sown in weakness [frail flesh dies and rots]; it is raised in power [a spiritual non-perishable body (save for Judgement Day)] :
44 It is sown [into the grave] a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body [we arise back to God in our spiritual body]. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam [Mr. Adam from the Garden of Eden] was made a living soul; the last Adam [Jesus Christ] was made a quickening spirit.
46 [shifting focus now on to salvation] Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [rotting flesh; morality not meant here] inherit incorruption [that non-perishable spiritual body that was placed into our mother's womb to be clothed with flesh].
51 [shifting focus now to those who are still alive at the Second Advent] Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep [die a flesh death], but we shall all be changed [changed to our spiritual body (the flesh simply falling off to the ground)],
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump [that's the 2nd Advent, not any so-called Rapture]: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible [into their spiritual bodies], and we shall be changed [into our spiritual bodies (not having tasted of death)].
53 For this corruptible [flesh body] must put on incorruption [spiritual body], and this mortal [destined to die flesh body] must put on immortality[non-perishable spiritual body]. KJV


2 Corinthians 5:1-10
5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle [flesh body] were dissolved [died and rotted back to dust], we have a building of God, an house not made with hands [spiritual body], eternal in the heavens.
2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:
3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.
4 For we that are in this tabernacle [flesh body] do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed [not seeking death], but clothed upon [with our non-perishable spiritual body], that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
6 Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the [flesh body] body, we are absent from the Lord:
7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:)
8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body [deceased from the face of the Earth, yet that body is still here on the earth], and to be present with the Lord. [in our spiritual body after we die]
9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent , we may be accepted of him.
10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad. KJV

You can’t change this!
why is His tomb empty?
 
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why is His tomb empty?
Because He said “destroy this body and I will raise it in three days” and after those days He entered back into His body.

If you want to play these silly games fine..

And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart, [2] And was transfigured before them: and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light. [3] And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him.

Now wait a second….

The book of Jude says..
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil and disputing about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, “The Lord rebuke thee!”

So how is Moses appearing with out his body?
 
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why is His tomb empty?
There is nothing you can say that will ever change the word of God…

King James Bible
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

You actually believe you are more accurate than Paul… astounding!
 

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“Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was:

and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.”
‭‭Ecclesiastes‬ ‭12:7‬ ‭KJV

If our spirit returns to God when we physically die then what is raised in the resurrection?
 

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Because He said “destroy this body and I will raise it in three days” and after those days He entered back into His body.

If you want to play these silly games fine..
why did He rebuild the temple of His body?
why didn't He leave a corpse on earth?

understanding scripture isn't silly.
He did these things on purpose, and He is omniscient God, so it was a very very very good purpose. a perfect purpose.
 

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Genesis 50:5​
'My father made me swear, saying, "Behold, I am dying; in my grave which I dug for myself in the land of Canaan, there you shall bury me." Now therefore, please let me go up and bury my father, and I will come back.'"

why did Jacob make his sons swear to bury him in Canaan?

why did He care where his bones lay?

was he an idiot?

why did God make sure this was recorded in the scripture?

was it so we could know for certain Jacob was a sentimental idiot?
 

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So how is Moses appearing with out his body?
what makes you sure he is without his body?

why did God make sure his body could not be found?

why wasn't Elijah's body able to be found?

why does Jesus make sure to show and then prove to His disciples specifically that He did not rise as a spirit but a literal, tangible body of flesh and bone?
And to make sure that is recorded in scripture?

was it in order to deceive us about the nature of the resurrection?

why did God create our bodies?
in order to destroy them?
did Satan win?
 

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Luke 24:38-43​
And He said to them,
"Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them,
"Have you any food here?"
So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took [it] and ate in their presence.
why does the Bible call thinking-Jesus-did-not-resurrect-the-flesh 'doubt' and 'unbelief'?
 

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per Paul:

Romans 8:23-24​
we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees?
this appears to be unbelievable!
 
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why does it say "inherit" but people keep insisting it says "enter"?
Because inherit is synonymous with “enter into”

As it is written…

1 Corinthians 6:10
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
 
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If our spirit returns to God when we physically die then what is raised in the resurrection?
Let’s slow down…

Ok… what resurrection are you referring too?
There is more than one.

Revelation 20:4-5
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. KJV.
 
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Luke 24:38-43​
And He said to them,
"Why are you troubled? And why do doubts arise in your hearts? Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have."
When He had said this, He showed them His hands and His feet. But while they still did not believe for joy, and marveled, He said to them,
"Have you any food here?"
So they gave Him a piece of a broiled fish and some honeycomb. And He took [it] and ate in their presence.
why does the Bible call thinking-Jesus-did-not-resurrect-the-flesh 'doubt' and 'unbelief'?
What else was said?
John 20:28
28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord (Kurios] and my God (Theos]. KJV The use of both the word "Lord," and "God" in the above Scripture describing Jesus Christ is significant. And in the Greek manuscripts both words ("Lord" and "God") have the definite article. Below is the Strong's definitions for both the definite article and the word "Lord" and the
word "God." [the definite article]: Greek word #3588 ho (hol; including the feminine he (hayl; and the neuter to (tol; in all their inflections; the def. [definite] article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted,

English idiom]: KJV - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc. Lord: Greek word #2962 kurios (koo-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as
noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title): KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir. God: Greek word #2316 theos (theh'-os); of uncertain affinitys a deity, especially (with NT:3588 [the
definite article]) the supreme Divinity; figuratively, a magistrate; by Hebraism, very KJV - exceeding,
God, god [-ly, -ward]

Thomas called Jesus God…

John 4:24
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The reason that Jesus was referred to as "a little lower than the angels," is because that angels are in spiritual bodies, not flesh bodies, and are not subject to death (unless/until God blots some of them out in the Lake of Fire - Rev 20:13-15).
 

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who also has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.(2 Corinthians 5:1-5)
We're not waiting to get the Spirit (body), it has already been given us as a guarantee for the clothing that doesn't leave us naked (vulnerable to sin and death). A guarantee, a sort of 'sales slip' so to speak' on the purchased item (which is a 'further clothed' body) guaranteed to be delivered on that certain day!. :love:
 
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what makes you sure he is without his body?

why did God make sure his body could not be found?

why wasn't Elijah's body able to be found?

why does Jesus make sure to show and then prove to His disciples specifically that He did not rise as a spirit but a literal, tangible body of flesh and bone?
And to make sure that is recorded in scripture?

was it in order to deceive us about the nature of the resurrection?

why did God create our bodies?
in order to destroy them?
did Satan win?
Even though I disagree with you, you’re still super cool… Ok, let’s step it up a notch.

Do spirits have flesh and bone?
 

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"Look at My hands and My feet. It is I Myself. Touch Me and see—for a spirit does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have.” Luke 24:39.
In Genesis 6 angels had bodies of flesh and blood. Like Jesus, they can take human form.
In heaven we will not have a body of flesh and blood.

The Bible says there is a fleshy body, and a spiritual body.

That which is natural is first and then that which is spiritual.

Paul said we will put off the flesh and have a spiritual body.

Paul said no flesh can enter heaven.

In the flesh dwells no good thing for all the sin is in the flesh so we will have to put off the flesh to be able to enter heaven.

Jesus rose from the dead so He had a fleshy body and showed himself to the disciples, but when He resurrected to heaven He obtained a glorified body so He no longer has a fleshy body.

Jesus said that the saints do not marry in heaven but will be like the angels which the angels have no gender and the saints will have no gender.

People are body, soul, and spirit, and the only thing that separates a male and female is the flesh but the spirit and soul are the same.

When the put off the flesh then a male and female are the same and there is no gender.

The angels do not have a gender but are the same and are known by masculine names for they are greater than people in the flesh.

There is no gender in the spiritual realm.

There will be no person in heaven with a fleshy body.
 
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In heaven we will not have a body of flesh and blood.

The Bible says there is a fleshy body, and a spiritual body.

That which is natural is first and then that which is spiritual.

Paul said we will put off the flesh and have a spiritual body.

Paul said no flesh can enter heaven.

In the flesh dwells no good thing for all the sin is in the flesh so we will have to put off the flesh to be able to enter heaven.

Jesus rose from the dead so He had a fleshy body and showed himself to the disciples, but when He resurrected to heaven He obtained a glorified body so He no longer has a fleshy body.

Jesus said that the saints do not marry in heaven but will be like the angels which the angels have no gender and the saints will have no gender.

People are body, soul, and spirit, and the only thing that separates a male and female is the flesh but the spirit and soul are the same.

When the put off the flesh then a male and female are the same and there is no gender.

The angels do not have a gender but are the same and are known by masculine names for they are greater than people in the flesh.

There is no gender in the spiritual realm.

There will be no person in heaven with a fleshy body.
I totally agree, except for the gender part.
 

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In heaven we will not have a body of flesh and blood.

The Bible says there is a fleshy body, and a spiritual body.

That which is natural is first and then that which is spiritual.

Paul said we will put off the flesh and have a spiritual body.

Paul said no flesh can enter heaven.

In the flesh dwells no good thing for all the sin is in the flesh so we will have to put off the flesh to be able to enter heaven.

Jesus rose from the dead so He had a fleshy body and showed himself to the disciples, but when He resurrected to heaven He obtained a glorified body so He no longer has a fleshy body.

Jesus said that the saints do not marry in heaven but will be like the angels which the angels have no gender and the saints will have no gender.

People are body, soul, and spirit, and the only thing that separates a male and female is the flesh but the spirit and soul are the same.

When the put off the flesh then a male and female are the same and there is no gender.

The angels do not have a gender but are the same and are known by masculine names for they are greater than people in the flesh.

There is no gender in the spiritual realm.

There will be no person in heaven with a fleshy body.
It will be flesh and bone.
 

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It will be flesh and bone.
Then it will not be a spiritual body if it is flesh and bone.

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

There are 2 different bodies celestial pertaining to heaven, and terrestrial pertaining to the earth.

There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body.
 

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Then it will not be a spiritual body if it is flesh and bone.

1Co 15:40 There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

There are 2 different bodies celestial pertaining to heaven, and terrestrial pertaining to the earth.

There is a natural body and there is a spiritual body.
Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me to have.” Luke 24:39