In heaven we will have a body of flesh and blood. Very interesting because angels can take on human form

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iamsoandso

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amen

so why destroy the body of those being redeemed?
is He not mighty to save?
or is all creation irrevocably lost to Satan, checkmate...?

to me this is the crux. mankind is created with will, and then fallen in the sight of all the angels, after Satan's sin. we are God's response.
What does He do?
destroy us?
amen

so why destroy the body of those being redeemed?
is He not mighty to save?
or is all creation irrevocably lost to Satan, checkmate...?

to me this is the crux. mankind is created with will, and then fallen in the sight of all the angels, after Satan's sin. we are God's response.
What does He do?
destroy us?

we are a witness to them
this is the heart of the book of Job - Satan accuses God of putting up a hedge, and God forces Satan to confess where he has been. Job, a man, is entered as evidence to the heavenly court.
I believe he resurrected in the old body, then was changed into immortal. Even if he resurrected in an immortal body, it was still his body so what he said was still true, metaphorically speaking.

Either way, it has been proven he was in a physical body after resurrection, and that our bodies will be fashioned like his.

No.
I believe he resurrected in the old body, then was changed into immortal. Even if he resurrected in an immortal body, it was still his body so what he said was still true, metaphorically speaking.

Either way, it has been proven he was in a physical body after resurrection, and that our bodies will be fashioned like his.

No.
God is spirit…
I believe he resurrected in the old body, then was changed into immortal. Even if he resurrected in an immortal body, it was still his body so what he said was still true, metaphorically speaking.

Either way, it has been proven he was in a physical body after resurrection, and that our bodies will be fashioned like his.
No.
But haven’t you just decided that the glorious body of Christ… is whatever you say it is..

Christ had a spiritual body, no flesh, long before He was born through Mary…
Why isn’t this body the glorious one?

Why isn’t the glorious body of Christ like this one?
Then Moses said, “Now, please show me your glory [C his manifest presence].”

19 The Lord answered, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will announce my name, the Lord, so you can hear it. I will show ·kindness [favor] to anyone to whom I want to show ·kindness [favor], and I will show ·mercy [compassion] to anyone to whom I want to show ·mercy [compassion]. 20 But you cannot see my face, because no one can see me and live.

Please show me your glory? Is the glory of Gods body flesh?
 

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Oh Lord I send men off unto an quest that I mine own self cannot achieve. Raise me Lord not the filthy man I'm am but another man incorruptible who can control the man that's me.
 

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Why heal the body?

that ye may know that the Son of man hath power on earth to forgive sins,
If the body is subject to death because of sin ((Romans 5)) then what does healing it demonstrate, particularly when explicitly coupled with the forgiveness of sin, but the redemption and resurrection of the body itself through salvation?

again, Romans 8 —the redemption of our bodies ((not the destruction of them)) is the very hope in which we were saved.
 

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did He create the elephant soul for it to curse Him for making it flesh?
or for the elephant to thank Him, glorify Him, and enjoy Him always?

does the elephant flesh die now because God created it in order to destroy it? because the elephant sinned? or because man sinned, and so ushered death into the world?

If the elephant is innocent of sin, what does God do with the body of the elephan on the day He reconciles all things to Himself?
does He annihilate innocent blood?

are you worth as much as an elephant to God?
 

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did He create the elephant soul for it to curse Him for making it flesh?
or for the elephant to thank Him, glorify Him, and enjoy Him always?

does the elephant flesh die now because God created it in order to destroy it? because the elephant sinned? or because man sinned, and so ushered death into the world?

If the elephant is innocent of sin, what does God do with the body of the elephan on the day He reconciles all things to Himself?
does He annihilate innocent blood?

are you worth as much as an elephant to God?

Pondering that breath of life, how will we eat that flesh and drink that blood unless there is an whole new earth and heaven where in all is an new? https://biblehub.com/interlinear/genesis/2-7.htm
 
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all creation is His handiwork and glorifies Him: He created flesh, for our souls to dwell in.
I see it as… He created are souls/spiritual bodies. We needed no flesh. It was only until after the attempted overthrow that we were put into flesh.
This was not the original plan.
This is why the Lord told Jeremiah.

Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.”

Was Jeremiah just floating around like a spray of febrezze, or the smoke out of a vape pen?

No, he had a body a spiritual body, this is the body we will be resurrected to.
 
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did He create the elephant soul for it to curse Him for making it flesh?
or for the elephant to thank Him, glorify Him, and enjoy Him always?

does the elephant flesh die now because God created it in order to destroy it? because the elephant sinned? or because man sinned, and so ushered death into the world?

If the elephant is innocent of sin, what does God do with the body of the elephan on the day He reconciles all things to Himself?
does He annihilate innocent blood?

are you worth as much as an elephant to God?
But there are different kinds of flesh..

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

The rules concerning one type of flesh differs from another. Can an Elephant say.. “I don’t want to eat leaves today, I’m going to grill me a T-bone steak?
 

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But there are different kinds of flesh..

39 All flesh is not the same flesh: but there is one kind of flesh of men, another flesh of beasts, another of fishes, and another of birds.

The rules concerning one type of flesh differs from another. Can an Elephant say.. “I don’t want to eat leaves today, I’m going to grill me a T-bone steak?
Matthew 26:29
"But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

How do spirits drink wine?
 

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Matthew 26:29
"But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

How do spirits drink wine?
In a cup LOL
 

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Matthew 26:29
"But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

How do spirits drink wine?
Very carefully.
 

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God is spirit…


But haven’t you just decided that the glorious body of Christ… is whatever you say it is..

Christ had a spiritual body, no flesh, long before He was born through Mary…
Why isn’t this body the glorious one?
Go ahead and prove "Christ had a spiritual body, no flesh, long before He was born through Mary"



Why isn’t the glorious body of Christ like this one?
Then Moses said, “Now, please show me your glory [C his manifest presence].”

19 The Lord answered, “I will cause all my goodness to pass in front of you, and I will announce my name, the Lord, so you can hear it. I will show ·kindness [favor] to anyone to whom I want to show ·kindness [favor], and I will show ·mercy [compassion] to anyone to whom I want to show ·mercy [compassion]. 20 But you cannot see my face, because no one can see me and live.

Please show me your glory? Is the glory of Gods body flesh?
First you need to prove that was Christ.
 
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Go ahead and prove "Christ had a spiritual body, no flesh, long before He was born through Mary"


First you need to prove that was Christ.
John 1:1-14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
...(continued) ...
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. KJV

The Word has been since the beginning. The Word was “made” flesh, which means the Word was something before it/He was made flesh.

Let me ask you this before I continue, do you believe Jesus existed before he was in Mary’s womb?
 
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Matthew 26:29
"But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father's kingdom."

How do spirits drink wine?
Well when I say spirit, what I am actually saying is a soul that is in a body, and that body is a spiritual one.

But beings in spiritual bodies can eat and drink.

And the LORD appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. 8And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.
 

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John 1:1-14
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
...(continued) ...
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. KJV

The Word has been since the beginning. The Word was “made” flesh, which means the Word was something before it/He was made flesh.

Something, but we are not given any details about that state of being.



Let me ask you this before I continue, do you believe Jesus existed before he was in Mary’s womb?

He wouldn't have had that name or the Hebrew equivalent of that name but God the Son existed prior to the incarnation.
 
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Something, but we are not given any details about that state of being.

Something, but we are not given any details about that state of being.

He wouldn't have had that name or the Hebrew equivalent of that name but God the Son existed prior to the incarnation.
He wouldn't have had that name or the Hebrew equivalent of that name but God the Son existed prior to the incarnation.
I think you’re over thinking it.

We were told what He was/is in heaven and what He was on earth.
Who is Jesus?
Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

Jesus is God with us, He walked amongst us, partied, ate, slept, cried, “God with us”
now take away the “with us” part.
Now you only have God. And God ain’t got no flesh.