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JacobMartinMertens

JacobMartinMertens

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iamsoandso said:
What I understand does not help you in these regards, Jesus is God.
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John 10:30-39 NASB20 - "I and the Father are one." The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. Jesus replied to them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "We are not stoning You for a good work, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself [out to be] God." Jesus answered them, "Has it not been written in your Law: 'I SAID, YOU ARE GODS'? "If he called them gods, to whom the word of God came (and the Scripture cannot be nullified), are you saying of Him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You are blaspheming,' because I said, 'I am the Son of God'? "If I do not do the works of My Father, do not believe Me; but if I do [them,] even though you do not believe Me, believe the works, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in Me, and I in the Father." Therefore they were seeking again to arrest Him, and He eluded their grasp.
 
iamsoandso

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There then Jesus himself stated he was God/Father, And now you have your answer...
 
JacobMartinMertens

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iamsoandso said:
There then Jesus himself stated he was God/Father, And now you have your answer...
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John 14:28 NASB20 - "You heard that I said to you, 'I am going away, and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
 
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JacobMartinMertens

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iamsoandso said:
All that you are lacking in your understanding is that he said that "I am going away AND i AM COMING TO YOU" (he's both)... https://biblehub.com/interlinear/john/14-28.htm
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John 14:1-6 NASB20 - "Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. "In My Father's house are many rooms; if [that] were not [so,] I would have told you, because I am going [there] to prepare a place for you. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will take you to Myself, so that where I am, [there] you also will be. "And you know the way where I am going." Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going; how do we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.
 
iamsoandso

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JacobMartinMertens said:
John 14:1-6 NASB20 - "Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. "In My Father's house are many rooms; if [that] were not [so,] I would have told you, because I am going [there] to prepare a place for you. "And if I go and prepare a place for you, I am coming again and will take you to Myself, so that where I am, [there] you also will be. "And you know the way where I am going." Thomas said to Him, "Lord, we do not know where You are going; how do we know the way?" Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Me.
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So it occurs to me to ask,,, What exactly do do believe Jesus is other than God/father? Is there any meat in anything you are trying to convey with any of this? Why do you not just cut to the chase and say exactly what you think Jesus is instead of the father,God?
 
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@JacobMartinMertens

I've been following this thread and there is no outcome.
All the answers given are doctrinally sound but are constantly challenged and questioned.
I'm not sure what answers you're seeking, so I pray that the Holy Spirit will help you understand the Scriptures and draw you closer to Him who gave His all so that you may have fellowship.
For your further research I can recommend Matthew Henry's Commentary. It's public domain and online.
God bless you.
 
JacobMartinMertens

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iamsoandso said:
So it occurs to me to ask,,, What exactly do do believe Jesus is other than God/father? Is there any meat in anything you are trying to convey with any of this? Why do you not just cut to the chase and say exactly what you think Jesus is instead of the father,God?
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I believe that Jesus is the Christ, God's Anointed, (and) the Son of God.
 
iamsoandso

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JacobMartinMertens said:
Correct. God is not a man. And Jesus is a man. He is the Son of God, but He is not God or not the Father (I am saying these to be the same thing).
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Then You think Jesus to be incorrect in John 10:30 where he said I and the father are one(heis)?
 
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JacobMartinMertens said:
No. Jesus said the Father is greater than I. That means that Jesus is not the Father.
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I suggest you rethink that because he was crucified and died and the charges against him was blasphemy in that he had said he and the father were the same/one(and was crowned the king of the Jews),,,he never backed down from his statement all the way to the Cross...
 
JacobMartinMertens

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iamsoandso said:
I suggest you rethink that because he was crucified and died and the charges against him was blasphemy in that he had said he and the father were the same/one(and was crowned the king of the Jews),,,he never backed down from his statement all the way to the Cross...
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You are incorrect. I will get the verse for you to be aware of.

John 14:28 NASB20 - "You heard that I said to you, 'I am going away, and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
 
iamsoandso

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JacobMartinMertens said:
You are incorrect. I will get the verse for you to be aware of.

John 14:28 NASB20 - "You heard that I said to you, 'I am going away, and I am coming to you.' If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.
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lol, "and (i) am coming to you",,, he's both...
 
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