Regarding Divorce and Re-marriage discussion in chat last night

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Hi everyone,
We were having this discussion in chat last night and after seeking God, he quickened a few scriptures to me. Matthew 12, 10:15 mainly in that scripture the Pharisees are trying to accuse Jesus whether it is lawful to heal on the Sabbath, His response before he healed the man with the withered hand was What man is there among you who has one sheep, and if it falls into a pit on the Sabbath will not lay hold of it and lift it out. Of how much more value then a man than a sheep, it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath. We are seen here Jesus say yes it is written in the law but sometimes a dire or unique situation requires seeking God's will for the matter. Another example would be that God desires us to be subject to governmental authorities however the governmental authorities are to be for our good and not a terror or evil. In other words if their actions go against God's word we are not longer bound to obey that because it is against God and good. If there is person who believes the Word is the Word, I am that person but I know God quickened this to me, He is ever merciful and in certain circumstances He allows for His mercy to triumph over His judgment. Not that this means people should have a ticket to divorce/remarry for any reason.. I am not advocating that. It was just something God showed me on the matter.
 
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yeah.... dont think that Im worse than one who hasnt been divorced..... people tend to forget the human being behind the doctrine.... noone wishes to be between those people.... im as loved as the people "stoning" me.....
 
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Jesus was not saying, what you are saying He was saying by healing on the Sabbath. rather He said was was not doing away with the law but that they had misinterpreted what the law was.

Lu 11:42But woe unto you, Pharisees! for ye tithe mint and rue and all manner of herbs, and pass over judgment and the love of God: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
Ga 5:14For all the law is fulfilled in ONE WORD, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Jesus did not violate the law of the God by doing something on the Sabbath , but rather fulfilled the law of God by doing good. Thus the question Jesus fired back at them :

Lu 6:9Then said Jesus unto them, I will ask you one thing; Is it lawful on the sabbath days TO DO GOOD, or to do evil? to save life, or to destroy it?
we can not ever say that Jesus Broke the law to fulfill it in another area, because then we would being against the Word of God


Heb 4:15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet WITHOUT SIN.
 
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as far as the divorce there is only one reason the Bible gives us for divorce, forination and we can part ways of our unequal yoke partners, but never says anything about if we can remarry after we leave our unequal yoke Partner. God hates putting away. the two commandments that all the law and prophets hang are , Mt 22:36Master, which is the great commandment in the law?Mt 22:37Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.Mt 22:38This is the first and great commandment.Mt 22:39And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.Mt 22:40On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


even with forination Jesus said we could put away but didn't say we had to put away. and as Christians we are to forgive others, then how is it that we can't love our spouse or even forgive our spouse when they cheat on us , God loved us even while we are unfaithful to Him. But God forBid, if our spouse is unfaithful to us


Mt 6:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your FATHER FORGIVE your trespasses.
 
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I will have to respond a bit later but, I did not explain the detail of the discussion last night. It centered around , if someone has already been divorced, even if they were not the cause of it, say a cheating or abusing spouse leaves the marriage for example. Does the person "left" have a right to remarry.We all agreed that God hates divorce.. and what the Word has to say on it.Matt 5.32 whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery and whoever marries a women who is divorced commits adultery. So i guess the question was is someone bound by the law of God never to re-marry? I was just giving back something God showed me about it. I agree with the things you are saying regarding divorce Thaddaeus
 
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Is Christs blood Not able to forgive remarriage as well?
Or divorce?
 
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Well, Dad when you read some these forums it appears that some forget that God is a forgiving God and he forgives all sins. I sometimes wonder what God people serve that does not forgive and wash sins .. I am so Glad that the God I gave my life and heart to is Able to forgive all sins and create in me a new heart, and take and make me a new creature in Him, that the blood of Jesus covers all sin so that they are no longer there.. My God forgives and makes me clean..
 
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ok... maybe Im a second class Christian then.....
 
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I didn't say you was a second class christian. I didn't say anything about you.. I was just saying that is the feeling you get from some people who post in the forums..
 
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yeah... i dint mean u eiter Raeshell..... thats the feeling soming from forums and chats.... not You!
 
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Singingeagle said:
I will have to respond a bit later but, I did not explain the detail of the discussion last night. It centered around , if someone has already been divorced, even if they were not the cause of it, say a cheating or abusing spouse leaves the marriage for example. Does the person "left" have a right to remarry.We all agreed that God hates divorce.. and what the Word has to say on it.Matt 5.32 whoever divorces his wife for any reason except sexual immorality causes her to commit adultery and whoever marries a women who is divorced commits adultery. So i guess the question was is someone bound by the law of God never to re-marry? I was just giving back something God showed me about it. I agree with the things you are saying regarding divorce Thaddaeus
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actually I don't think the Bible covers an abusive situation, but no, unless there is fornication, bibical there is no reason for divorce, if there is no reason for divorce then there should be no divorce, if there is and you remarry according to scripture then that is also adultery. now some say that if the divorce and remarriage happens before we get saved then that sin is under the blood , however if there is no repentage or change, if you keep making love with the new spouse . well just let me say I don't know. I will leave that up to God, but I would hate to go before God living in willful sin. some will also say that no matter what the reason for divorce , if one has done all they can to restore the marrige then it is ok to remarry , but I have not found this is scriptures yet.


Mt 5:31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:Mt 5:32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
 
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Is Christs blood Not able to forgive remarriage as well?
Or divorce?
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yes the Blood of Christ covers all sin, however as far as remarriage each time, there is fornication in the adulterious state then does there not also need to have repentance for forgiveness , so is there a true repentence, if we turn around and keep doing the same sin over and over and over.

Ac 8:22REPENT therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
if the thought of thine heart is to continue to do the same sin after you ask forgiveness is that true repentance. Again I will let God make the call
 
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Hi. I am Risy. New to this.

I am divorced. I was a member of a church where a minister instructed me to ask my husband for a divorce after 2 years of praying, seeking God's guidance and waiting for him to reconcile. He didn't want to reconcile. He wanted to be single. When my husband and I came to the Lord in 1999, its like the devil began attacking the marriage.

Anyway, I feel it is so unfair for the wife who want to work things out and stay married till death do us part, to be barred from being able to re-marry.

Maybe its true. Its been many years since my divorce and I am still unmarried.
God is good though and getting me through these tough times.
 
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I think it's ok to divorce if under an abusive relationship. It's common sense really.
 
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MahogonySnail said:
I think it's ok to divorce if under an abusive relationship. It's common sense really.
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we make a vow before God til death do us part, I am glad we are not saved by common sense, however leaving or seperating from abusive relationship is not wrong til the abusive party can get their act straight, but if you remarry except for fornication then you will be committing Adultery I didn't say it Jesus said it.

Mt 19:9And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
 
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Thaddeus please don't tell me you are one of those pastors who believes a woman should stay married to an abusive violent husband and be beaten up and grin and bare it? Moreover, they can be separated but perhaps separated indefinitely. She cannot divorce, she cannot remarry, perhaps she should wish that her husband have an affair so she can be divorced, according to your rigid interpretation of scripture?
 
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I would be curious to know, the people who have such a strong stance on divorce being so wrong in all situations (minus the obvious one outlined in the scripture provided), how many of you have actually lived in the real world and dealt with impossible odd's and had a 'bad' spouse and a marriage that was wrong/bad or went bad? Its so very very easy for you to sit on the side lines with your bible dog eared up... but until you live it... I would be very careful.
 
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Thaddeuas, NoahsDad & Others,

A Christian couple is married for (10) years and the husband leaves and becomes backslidden. They try to reconcile but never do. They get divorced and the man gets remarried. The woman remarries later. Who is in adultery and if so, what do they do to be restored?
 
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bamberoons said:
I would be curious to know, the people who have such a strong stance on divorce being so wrong in all situations (minus the obvious one outlined in the scripture provided), how many of you have actually lived in the real world and dealt with impossible odd's and had a 'bad' spouse and a marriage that was wrong/bad or went bad? Its so very very easy for you to sit on the side lines with your bible dog eared up... but until you live it... I would be very careful.
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1co 10:13There hath no TEMPTATION taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the TEMPTATION also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it.

there is no excuse to ever go against the Word of God

Jas 1:12Blessed is the man that endureth TEMPTATION: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

2pe 2:9The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of TEMPTATIONs, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

But we all do it, if it be temptation of divorce for the wrong reasons, adultery, homosexuality, stealing, murder or bearing false witness. we have been taught too long now that our flesh is the crutch that we need to sin. well we have to sin because we are still in the flesh, NOT! we trust God for our salvation but can't trust Him to enable us to live the Holy life He wants us to live. show me one place in the Bible where God wanted someone to do something and He didn't provide the aid in getting the job done if that person was walking with Him. Jesus came not to just cover our sin:

Joh 1:29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Ro 6:11Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.Ro 6:12Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.Ro 6:13Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.Ro 6:14For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.Ro 6:15What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

We are not sitting on our high Horse, when we show what scriptures say about a question that is posted, we are ordered By God himself to preach the truth, not compromise, If I don't show Scriptures then your sin is on me also, and I got enough of mine own to worry about, the blind leading the Blind.

the devil wants to isolate you, put you on that pityful island, that I am the only one that has ever had to go through something like this. we've all been there, I got the t-shirt. if the devil exceeds in making us think we are all alone, then he has got us. Jesus said that He would never leave us or forsake us, but the first time the storm hits what do we do , JESUS, WHERE ARE YOU? oh ye of little faith, I said I would never leave you, I am right here with you. as Peter went under he knew where Jesus was and said Jesus help me. And Jesus helped him, preacher I been in a storm for 6 months now and God ain't helped me, yet. yeah cause you are still asking where He is at. why haven't you help me yet, Lord. Ye have not, cause ye ask not.

Ro 12:3For I say, through the grace given unto me, to every man that is among you, not to think of himself more HIGHLY than he ought to think; but to think soberly, according as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith.

I don't think myself any better than anyone else, if it had not been for Christ holding this marriage together for soon be 30 years now, My wife would had left me a long time ago. Believe Me she has really had to have the love of Christ with her( unconditional ) to put up with me all this time.


Ro 5:1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:Ro 5:2By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.Ro 5:3And not only so, but we glory in tribulations also: knowing that tribulation worketh patience;Ro 5:4And patience, experience; and experience, hope:Ro 5:5And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.Ro 5:6For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
 
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