Israel Declares War

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ZNP said:
No country would send ground troops into that city with the high rises, it would be a killing field.
Any country who was going to enter the city would bomb it first. Instead of Americans judging others
for doing the things they did, why not judge the US for fire bombing Tokyo, and all that we did in Iraq?
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People have been doing that...
 
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ZNP said:
Of course He mentioned it and said it would be fulfilled in the Millennial reign of Jesus.

Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

"This alone should make you reflect on your position."
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Jesus already reigns.
 
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Didn't the same thing just happen in Ukraine? Why didn't they call that ethnic cleansing?
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Which time period are you referring to?
There is a lot of history with Ukraine and Russia.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Which time period are you referring to?
There is a lot of history with Ukraine and Russia.
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Couple of months ago I remember them telling people to evacuate because they were going to bomb it.
 
Smoke

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ZNP said:
The land belongs to God, He can give it to who He wishes, we don't have any right to divide His land.
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Do you view secular Jews as the inheritors of the land out of curiosity? Or just religious Jews?
 
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Smoke said:
Do you view secular Jews as the inheritors of the land out of curiosity? Or just religious Jews?
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Irrelevant as it is not up to me. I view those who see Jesus step down on the Mount of Olives and flee behind him as those that will inherit it.
 
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ZNP said:
No country would send ground troops into that city with the high rises, it would be a killing field. Any country who was going to enter the city would bomb it first. Instead of Americans judging others for doing the things they did, why not judge the US for fire bombing Tokyo, and all that we did in Iraq?
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Got it. It's a killing field to send ground troops to localize the deaths to Hamas militants but it won't be a killing field to bomb the most densely populated civilian area in the world.

How do you know if I do or don't judge the US for all those bombings? lol Do you have a 5 second memory and forget I was calling out the atomic bombings on Japan as crimes against humanity?
 
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Irrelevant as it is not up to me. I view those who see Jesus step down on the Mount of Olives and flee behind him as those that will inherit it.
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So the fact the scriptures give mandatory conditions for God's chosen people to live by and follow is irrelevant to you when discussing the promised land. That's a wild take. lol
 
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"Who do you think you are?"

This idea of a two state solution is truly outrageous and insulting. This would be like me buying a very nice gift for someone and then my sister stepping in and deciding it should be divided between the person I intended to give it to and someone I had specifically said would not get the gift.

I would be terrified to express this opinion, what happens when I appear before the throne and God asks me "who do you think you are?"
 
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Smoke said:
Got it. It's a killing field to send ground troops to localize the deaths to Hamas militants but it won't be a killing field to bomb the most densely populated civilian area in the world.

How do you know if I do or don't judge the US for all those bombings? lol Do you have a 5 second memory and forget I was calling out the atomic bombings on Japan as crimes against humanity?
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The point is that we have the right to judge ourselves, but we are told specifically not to judge others. The Lord said "with what judgement you judge you shall be judged". So if I point the finger at Israel the finger will be pointed back at me. That is a serious warning. But if I point the finger at myself there is no warning, I have already judged myself.
 
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Smoke said:
I disagree, "saying" to "kill all Palestinians" isn't technically ethnic cleansing... but bombing the garbage out of a little tiny strip of land filled with the most densely civilian populated area in the entire world knowing most of the targets are going to be civilians certainly looks like ethnic cleansing to me.

Thank God Israel gave the Palestinians 24 hours to evacuate... unfortunately, it was only after the backlash they are getting for killing innocent children in their retaliatory attacks . That's more than Hamas has done for Israel, we can all agree to that.

You asked me a question a couple days ago about Hamas using civilians as targets, it's such a tough question because I'm genuinely "pro-life". All I can definitively state is that if there are 2 million civilians in a little strip of land, don't bomb the garbage out of it knowing you're going to kill children. Use a more discriminate way to kill the Hamas militants... Warn them ahead of time, send ground troops in, etc...
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I don't believe there are any good solutions. Given that, it seems to me, there are only really 2 solutions: keep going the way things have always been done or do something else.
If the established course is taken, killing will continue indiscriminately. If another route is taken, many innocent lives will be lost, but future lives will be saved. To me, it's a pay me now or pay me even more later.
 
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Smoke said:
So the fact the scriptures give mandatory conditions for God's chosen people to live by and follow is irrelevant to you when discussing the promised land. That's a wild take. lol
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One of those mandatory conditions is that we are not the judge of others, God is the judge.
 
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ZNP said:
Ahh, the old "I can make the Bible say whatever I want it to say" interpretation of scripture.
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No actually, this is well understood among the Jews of the time.

Same ole problem with understanding scripture ... it always first and foremost "audience relevance."
 
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Cameron143 said:
Rightly divided His word; not the land.
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What does that mean?

Why would a New Testament verse with our New Covenant answer my question about what the Old Covenant with Israel said?
 
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HeIsHere said:
This is not a statement which reflects reality.
It is laden with assumptions about group B.

You do realize there was relative stability in the area prior to the Balfour Declaration?
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You put in assumptions. The scenario was designed to pinpoint the crux of the matter. You didn't answer because you either want to ignore or don't understand the root of the problem.
 
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HeIsHere said:
No actually, this is well understood among the Jews of the time.

Same ole problem with understanding scripture ... it always first and foremost "audience relevance."
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There are several principles in understanding scripture and the most important one is "no verse is of its own interpretation".

Was this what Peter was referring to?

2Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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