Israel Declares War

[HeIsHere]

I'm talking in the terrorist attack that just happened. It's not wrong!! Over 1000 innocent Israeli civilians were murdered by Hamas! Purposely! Not by war causalities, they sought to murder civilians.

6, 407 killed by Jews since 2008.

Gaza called an open air prison by Noam Chomsky.

• Water rationed, food rationed
• 700 children have been killed
• 42 per cent are unemployed
• 84 per cent are in need of humanitarian aid
• 41 per cent have too little food
• 98 per cent of ground water is undrinkable
• 2-4 hours of electricity

Many of Israel’s abusive practices were carried out in the name of security. Palestinian armed groups have carried out scores of lethal attacks on civilians and launched thousands of rocket attacks on Israeli civilian areas, also in violation of international humanitarian law.
Human Rights Watch.

and I could go on and on.

 

[Magenta]

Jesus said that there will be war, whether we want it or not.

Genesis 16:12 The angel of the LORD proceeded: “Behold, you have conceived and will
bear a son. And you shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard your cry of affliction.
He will be a wild donkey of a man, and his hand will be against everyone, and everyone’s
hand against him; he will live in hostility toward all his brothers.”

 

[iamsoandso]

wow it's a strange sound listening to Merkava's engines all running at once... like when the thunder makes the ground vibrate.

 

[NightTwister]

"Should" is a word that is irrelevant to human nature. War is woven into fallen human nature. Jesus said that there will be war, whether we want it or not.

My point was more that when a nation is attacked, the response should be overwhelming such that the aggressor will think twice about doing it again.

 

[HeIsHere]

For the 495855 millionth time on here, Abrahamic covenant, unconditional, everlasting !!!!

The land was fulfilled in the OT.

God sends the Messiah the ultimate promise
They REJECT the Messiah
Jerusalem and the temple utterly destroyed.
Jesus warned them harshly.
Jesus curses the fig tree.

BUT........ God has to still has to give them land because He couldn't bring that to fruition before He sent His Son, makes a lot of sense.

What horrible hermeneutics.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The bottom line is that God has said, clearly and unequivocally, that He is giving this land to Israel. It is not up to me or you, it is His to do as He pleases. He has also said this is the apple of His eye. So if you want to spout off opinions do it about Vietnam or some other place, but to do it about Israel, you do that at your own peril.
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Wait a minute, wait a minute!!

The bottom line is that God has said, clearly and unequivocally, that He is giving this land to Israel. It is not up to me or you, it is His to do as He pleases.

He has also said this (Israel) is the apple of His eye.

So if you want to spout off opinions do it about Vietnam or some other place, but to do it about Israel, you do that at your own peril.

Sorry just had to say that again for the people in the back to hear!

 

[HeIsHere]

There is nothing proportional about it, and there is no such rule that a response needs to be proportional. If I go up to a guy in a bar and punch him once and then he responds by going berserk and killing me in a fight, that would be considered self defense.

You don't have the right to kill 100 people and then get upset if the response kills 1,000 people.

But your numbers are reversed.

The first party kills over 6000 people along with immeasurable human suffering. Prior to this attack 300 Jews were killed. Does anyone here understand human psychology ... put people in horrible living circumstances of course they are going to retaliate.

And where was the Israeli intelligence since they were warned.

The media/political elite/influencers have been successful at dehumanizing the Palestinians because their lives are less valuable.

Let me see what did that Israeli official call them.... "human animals"

When you see the language of dehumanization as was done to the Jews in Germany that is when things get really bad.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

The land was fulfilled in the OT.

No it wasn't, at no time has Israel ever fully possessed the full land that God promised, that is fact.

God sends the Messiah the ultimate promise
They REJECT the Messiah

Romans 11
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!

18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

 

[HeIsHere]

Well, I will admit the Rothschilds' along with Darby and Scofield have put together the most ingenious system of lies.

Money and power can change a system of theology from Covenant to a goofy dispensationalism.

Two world wars and a third on the horizon for the futurist lie when Jesus clearly stated "This generation, the one He was speaking to"

 

[ZNP]

But your numbers are reversed.

The first party kills over 6000 people along with immeasurable human suffering. Prior to this attack 300 Jews were killed. Does anyone here understand human psychology ... put people in horrible living circumstances of course they are going to retaliate.

And where was the Israeli intelligence since they were warned.

The media/political elite/influencers have been successful at dehumanizing the Palestinians because their lives are less valuable.

Let me see what did that Israeli official call them.... "human animals"

When you see the language of dehumanization as was done to the Jews in Germany that is when things get really bad.

Every country does that. We did that to the Japanese and the Germans and the Native Americans.

Every single person will have to appear before the throne and answer for their life. I am far more concerned with my name being in the book of life than I am about worrying what the judgement will be for Jewish Generals or Hamas leaders.

To me it is obvious that many people are condemning Israel for doing the very thing that they do. Don't they know that with what judgement you judge you shall be judged?

 

[iamsoandso]

The land was fulfilled in the OT.

God sends the Messiah the ultimate promise
They REJECT the Messiah
Jerusalem and the temple utterly destroyed.
Jesus warned them harshly.
Jesus curses the fig tree.

BUT........ God has to still has to give them land because He couldn't bring that to fruition before He sent His Son, makes a lot of sense.

What horrible hermeneutics.

Considering you believe it was fulfilled in the OT do you believe that they still possess it?

 

[HeIsHere]

Every country does that. We did that to the Japanese and the Germans and the Native Americans.

Every single person will have to appear before the throne and answer for their life. I am far more concerned with my name being in the book of life than I am about worrying what the judgement will be for Jewish Generals or Hamas leaders.

To me it is obvious that many people are condemning Israel for doing the very thing that they do. Don't they know that with what judgement you judge you shall be judged?

I understand your view.

And yes this has made me think about what we did to the indigenous people on this land, my view is shifting.

But when it comes to geopolitics and having come out of the futurist lie, I do not see anything prophetic here I see geopolitics and a horrible cabal behind the scenes that has brought us to this moment.

 

[HeIsHere]

Considering you believe it was fulfilled in the OT do you believe that they still possess it?

I have no idea. Depends on how serious they (the cabal) want to reduce the population of the planet,

I think this will be like the Bronze Age collapse.

 

[ThereRoseaLamb]

and when Israel bombs gaza, just drops bombs wherever they want, on apartments , turns off water and power for the whole area, are they not returning evil for evil???

No! What did we do to ISIS when they were bead heading men on the beaches? The people fled into the mountains. It was Trump who got rid of ISIS. How do you deal with terrorists?! They gave the people time to leave now they deal with the terrorists.

 

[Smoke]

I don't believe there are any good solutions. Given that, it seems to me, there are only really 2 solutions: keep going the way things have always been done or do something else.
If the established course is taken, killing will continue indiscriminately. If another route is taken, many innocent lives will be lost, but future lives will be saved. To me, it's a pay me now or pay me even more later.

As long as there is accountability of what is really going on I guess... If they are willing to admit to indiscriminately killing, then that is better than denying it as some Christians here do when they do verbal/textual gymnastics in convincing themselves and others that an atomic nuclear bomb is a discriminate bomb.

The middle ground for me is that I agree with Israel's decision to eradicate Hamas. This doesn't mean I want them to indiscriminately kill all the Palestinians though. One of my favorite lines, two things can be true. I can be for the removal of Hamas and also be in favorite of minimizing civilian Palestinian casualties. The million dollar question is, how do we go about doing it as to make the IDF sitting ducks? I'm no Napoleon Bonaparte... I'm not qualified to come up with a plan sadly.

 

[Magenta]

Does anyone here understand human psychology ... put people in horrible living circumstances of course they are going to retaliate.

I think it horrible that Isreal

No it wasn't, at no time has Israel ever fully possessed the full land that God promised, that is fact.

Romans 11
“God gave them a spirit of stupor, eyes that could not see and ears that could not hear, to this very day.”

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all!

18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!

25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26 and in this way[e] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:

“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is[f] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”

32 For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.

Romans 11:32

 

[Smoke]

I don't think a 2 state solution works either. But one state would be just that...Israel. It would give citizenship to those in Gaza.

Do you think a one-state solution would work if Israel agreed to end apartheid? I'm not sure how that would even be enforced as there is no one to police the police (Israeli state). I don't mean to be cynical though. I can say why one idea won't work, yet I have NO solution to offer. It's depressing for me.

 

[iamsoandso]

I have no idea. Depends on how serious they (the cabal) want to reduce the population of the planet,

I think this will be like the Bronze Age collapse.

Why are you arguing about it if you don't have no idea who's land it is?

 

[Smoke]

Definition Ethnic Cleansing

the mass expulsion or killing of members of an unwanted ethnic or religious group in a society.

If Palestinians are expelled from Israel's society it would seem they are being ethnically cleansed. However, if Palestinians refuse to pledge allegiance to Israel and refuse to renounce their stated goal of exterminating Israel and removing Jews from the land, then that would seem to be an important caveat to include.

Hamas is the group that has pledged to exterminate all the Jews and take over the Israeli state. I understand the militants in Hamas are Palestinian, not all Palestinians support Hamas though. It's like saying most Americans believe in the magic bullet theory for the assassination of JFK. Sure, some people buy it... dare I say even a lot of people believe it? However, most people know it's pure fiction and that Oswalt wasn't the lone assassin. There are many Palestinians who do NOT support Hamas, but they are being oppressed by them (in addition to being oppressed by Israel). When was the last election, 2006? No more elections since. It's time we discern that Hamas does not = all Palestinians.

 

[HeIsHere]

Why are you arguing about it if you don't have no idea who's land it is?

Wow.

I misunderstood your question thought you were asking for a prediction.

I guess my position is the argumentative side. Okay.