How can one learn?

[Rainrider]

Anything not of faith is sin. Jesus also took the definition of the law to a new level. E.g., do not commit murder. Jesus said being angry at/with your brother subjects you to the fire of hell. Matthew 5:21 You have heard that it was said to the ancients, ‘Do not murder’ and ‘Anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to his brother, ‘Raca,’ will be subject to the Sanhedrin. But anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be subject to the fire of hell. Also, according to the religious leaders of His time, Jesus broke the Sabbath, and committed blasphemy, which is why they wanted to kill Him. Of course we know He did neither of those things. But surely it shows us their understanding of the law was in error. Now we have been given to understand that the law was a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ. Nobody was saved by keeping the law, because nobody could keep it perfectly (except Jesus). This idea that born again Christians use the freedom they have in Christ as an excuse to sin always comes across as suspect. That is not to say there are none who abuse the idea. Are they born again? That is something God knows. Our conscience convicts us when we do something that violates our values. And there is now no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus. This is not a license to sin.

John 8:36 plus Romans 8:2 If the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed. For in Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set you free from the law of sin and death.

You are 100% right. As I have said before, when we look at how Yeshua answered the Pharisees, it becomes clear. Paul also wished to show that Rabbinic Law had no hold on us. Yet at the same time he also wanted to make sure we understood Biblical Law has not changed.
Yeshua didn't change the Laws, He gave us a fuller understanding of Biblical Law. As anyone that has really studied it understands, it is spiritual more than physical. Something that got lost some where, and no one ever looked back to find where, how, or why.
Now if we look at them as physical, and nothing more, we miss the mark. If we look at them from a spiritual point of view, we find things we didn't think of. Yet if we look at them as prophetic. We can learn even more.
In our studies, we learned something the first year that changed the course of everything we thought we understood at that time. Zac. 14:16

 

[posthuman]

Your obsessed with this aren't you. yet my answer remains the same. A gentile can't enter the inter court. Now if you decided to convert to Judaism, Then if you want to go and sacrifice, I wouldn't see it as a sin, unless you were looking to gain salvation by the means of sacrifice. Are you happy now?
If so please get back to my question. Mat. 5:17-18

regrettably that's still not really answering my question, which is a simple yes/no.

i'll rephrase it:

• are Christians obliged to keep the Law?

 

[posthuman]

A gentile can't enter the inter court

this is completely immaterial.

under the Law only the priest makes the blood sacrifice. all who are obliged to give sacrifices give the animal to the priest to be put to death.

 

[posthuman]

A gentile can't enter the inter court.

i can enter the inner sanctum, because my Messiah lives.

 

[posthuman]

If so please get back to my question. Mat. 5:17-18

Previously discussed several times.
you reject the scripture, but that doesn't mean i haven't answered you.

 

[Rainrider]

regrettably that's still not really answering my question, which is a simple yes/no.

i'll rephrase it:

• are Christians obliged to keep the Law?

The parts that apply to them yes. Now can you answer me this?
If Paul said the law was removed, and Yeshua said He didn't come to remove it, how do you recessional this?

 

[Rainrider]

Previously discussed several times.
you reject the scripture, but that doesn't mean i haven't answered you.

In all truth you have not answered it. Although it seems you set one standerd for some and another for others. You want answers, yet wish to give non-answers when you have none, and call it an answer. You should run for congress, you would fit right in.

 

[Magenta]

If Paul said the law was removed, and Yeshua said He didn't come to remove it, how do you recessional rationalize this?

He came to fulfill it. Surely you have been told this multiple times? The law remains to condemn those
not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ, Who took our sins upon
Himself and paid the price (death), that we may be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after.

 

[posthuman]

The parts that apply to them yes. Now can you answer me this?
If Paul said the law was removed, and Yeshua said He didn't come to remove it, how do you recessional this?

why should i answer for something i never said?

 

[posthuman]

In all truth you have not answered it. Although it seems you set one standerd for some and another for others. You want answers, yet wish to give non-answers when you have none, and call it an answer. You should run for congress, you would fit right in.

i have plainly answered you many times.
i will do it again; i am not ashamed of what I believe.

i am not under the Law.
no Jew who has become a believer in Jesus of Nazareth is under the Law.

whether the Law still exists has no bearing on me as a Christian.

for those who were under the Law, the Law condemns them.
for those who put themselves under the Law, the Law condemns them.

 

[posthuman]

You want answers

is your position that Christians are under the Law?

is your position that only Jewish Christians are under the Law?

do not be ashamed to say plainly what you believe.

we can hardly have a discussion when one party is continually evasive.
was this not the point of your OP?

 

[Cameron143]

Previously discussed several times.
you reject the scripture, but that doesn't mean i haven't answered you.

Food for thought. Most people's eschatology have a problem with Matthew 5:17-18. On the one hand, they know as Christians we are not under the law. This is easily established in the writings of Paul. But they also read in these verses an apparent contradiction. But consider Revelation 21:1. There is a new heaven and new earth. And the new Jerusalem came down. It is described as a bride. That's the church.
The law was fulfilled and heaven and earth did pass away. This lines up with 2 Corinthians 5:17...we have become new creations.
Just something to consider.

 

[posthuman]

@Rainrider perhaps this is an easier question for you to be comfortable answering; it is the same question, because it is the same Answer:

• why did God take away the temple from Jerusalem?

 

[posthuman]

But consider Revelation 21:1. There is a new heaven and new earth. And the new Jerusalem came down. It is described as a bride. That's the church.

i saw no temple in the city there​

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[Cameron143]

i saw no temple in the city there​

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We are the temple.

 

[posthuman]

The parts

The Law is one law; not parts with various jots and tittles deleted. see James 2:10

 

[posthuman]

We are the temple.

living sacrifices; freewill offerings

 

[Cameron143]

living sacrifices; freewill offerings

That's the problem with living sacrifices...they keep crawling off the altar.

 

[Inquisitor]

The parts that apply to them yes. Now can you answer me this?
If Paul said the law was removed, and Yeshua said He didn't come to remove it, how do you recessional this?

You may want to read that verse below again.

Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke of a letter shall pass from the Law, until all is accomplished!

'Until all is accomplished' is the key condition which can occur before or after, heaven and earth pass away.

To understand when the law will become redundant is based on when you think, Jesus accomplished all things.

On the cross?

After the resurrection?

When Jesus returns?

 

[Rainrider]

He came to fulfill it. Surely you have been told this multiple times? The law remains to condemn those
not covered by grace through faith in the shed righteous blood of Jesus Christ, Who took our sins upon
Himself and paid the price (death), that we may be reconciled to God and attain to life ever after.

Yet Yeshua never removed the Law, and it will convict any that sin. Even if they are followers of His. Sin still remains a true, and deadly thing in ones life. Anyone that makes the claim they live a sin free life, isn't being 100% with themselves or others. So if sin is still in ones heart, even if they may not know it, the Law is there to point out that sin. That makes it clear that the Law is at work in ones life. When we ask for forgiveness, of sin we are made right with Him. Never forget that salvation isn't once saved always saved thing. We as believers can be cut off. Romans 11:10