Israel Declares War

[Smoke]

Unless their are kinds that are not.

We now know that there were many unknowns at the time about the power of those particular bombs. In my opinion they were strategic and discriminate.

Tactical nuclear weapons do have fallout, like any nuclear weapon, but with tactical it's limited. There are cases (e.g. caves in Afghanistan) where they could've been used and collateral damage would've been minimal if at all.

There were no tactical nuclear bombs back then. There were very few at all due to limited amounts of uranium and plutonium. Conventional bombs would not have had the same strategic effect that the nuclear ones did. We have non-nuclear weapons today that can cause more damage than those did.

Thanks for the info and answering my questions.

So in your opinion, the atomic bomb was "discriminate" in spite of the hundreds of thousands of civilian lives that were lost. By what measure do you formulate your opinion that is was in fact discriminate? How do you get to that conclusion without bringing "necessity" which we can hopefully agree is an irrelevant factor when determining if someone is isolated or discriminate versus widespread or indiscriminate?

 

[Gideon300]

I wonder why?

Read your Bible. The Arabs are descendants of Ishmael. Islam claims to be the true covenant people of God. The reason why Islam is more virulent is that Western world was asleep at the wheel. Meanwhile, 44 million Muslims now live in Europe, a vast pool of people who could take Islam seriously and declare Jihad on the West. Some have already. They are not organised as yet. The moderate Muslims are the majority for now. That could change, and the Gaza war is an obvious trigger. So far, so good. I hope and pray that it stays as it is.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You clearly missed my sarcasm. Nevermind.

No. I heard it loud and clear.

Never mind?.. Nice try..

 

[HeIsHere]

This was 10 yrs ago. Islam has only grown MORE radical and virulent since then:

I am well aware of this speech, yes let's throw out political correctness and hold Israel, Ukraine, USA, Russia, China and all countries

accountable for crimes against humanity, not just the ones with little or no political clout, and perhaps we can also go back and talk

about the non existent "weapons of mass destruction" and the war waged because of that lie so that the military industrial complex

could once again fill its coffers not to mention the needless death of American soldiers.

 

[Smoke]

Thanks for the info and answering my questions.

So in your opinion, the atomic bomb was "discriminate" in spite of the hundreds of thousands of civilian lives that were lost. By what measure do you formulate your opinion that is was in fact discriminate? How do you get to that conclusion without bringing "necessity" which we can hopefully agree is an irrelevant factor when determining if someone is isolated or discriminate versus widespread or indiscriminate?

To be clear, I think two things can be true. Something can potentially be widespread and also discriminate... but not if you end up killing more civilians than militants.

 

[Gideon300]

The distinction between "discriminate" and "indiscriminate" killing was discussed several pages back. I agree that "collateral damage" is often an unfortunate occurrence that happens. The goal should be to limit civilian deaths by being discriminate in your attacks.

Yes, I am certain Americans killed civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan. I hope they were discriminate though. If we indiscriminately kill civilians while targeting the terrorists, how is that merely "collateral damage"? It's a war crime.

Rubbish. Unless it is deliberate, it is not a war crime. Even in criminal law, the prosecution has to prove intent. Israel has no such intent. It's not only that they have a conscience (obviously lacking with Hamas), they know the confected outrage that arises from civilian deaths. I note that not one commentator critical of Israel has any idea of how to resolve the conflict, apart from killing every Jew and handing Israel over to the Arabs. God will ensure that this does not happen.

Do you not know the declaration made by the Arabs? "No recognition, no peace, no negotiation". That says it all.

 

[Gideon300]

I kind of regret my post honestly. I was being facetious and apparently my sarcasm wasn't picked up. My apologies.

Thanks. It's 2.35 am here and I'm not as sharp as I could be. I missed the sarcasm.

 

[Locoponydirtman]

so lets see

Isreal lives in peace with Islam, Judaism, and Christianity.. all three religions in their capital city of Jerusalem.

Israel allowed Palestinians to come into Israel to work (they have talked to these people. and said it was israel allowing them to do this which caused the attack on Oct 6 to be so successful)

yet they want to obliterate palestinians and wipe them off the earth (ps Palesinian population has gone up in the past few decades not down) so israel is either inept at trying to wipe out a people. or it is a lie that they want this to happen.

Dude you can listen to all the propoganda you want. or you can look at reality..

Thats not how that happened at all.
England and the league of nations broke up the Ottoman empire after ww2. (deciding that the Jacobites needed a nation of their own, because they didnt want them to stay in Europe) They split the region of palestine into 3 nations, Jordan, Israel, and Palestine. The borders looked like a jigsaw puzzel there was no way that was going to work. And the fighting has been ever since.
Even though;baring involvment in the WWs, the region was relatively peacful.

 

[NightTwister]

Thanks for the info and answering my questions.

So in your opinion, the atomic bomb was "discriminate" in spite of the hundreds of thousands of civilian lives that were lost. By what measure do you formulate your opinion that is was in fact discriminate? How do you get to that conclusion without bringing "necessity" which we can hopefully agree is an irrelevant factor when determining if someone is isolated or discriminate versus widespread or indiscriminate?

It was "discriminate" in that it was used on a legitimate military target. Bombs almost always have collateral damage. If you're going to say that there's a line that crosses from discriminate to indiscriminate, you're going to need to be specific about what does and does not cross that line (lives lost, etc.)

 

[Magenta]

Do you know why no one listens to this but "the young people"?...

Yes... it is because they are deceived... as if saying "No" or "Stop" to Islamists will stop them .

 

[HeIsHere]

Read your Bible. The Arabs are descendants of Ishmael. Islam claims to be the true covenant people of God. The reason why Islam is more virulent is that Western world was asleep at the wheel. Meanwhile, 44 million Muslims now live in Europe, a vast pool of people who could take Islam seriously and declare Jihad on the West. Some have already. They are not organised as yet. The moderate Muslims are the majority for now. That could change, and the Gaza war is an obvious trigger. So far, so good. I hope and pray that it stays as it is.

I do agree Gaza is a trigger to satisfy western imperialistic goals.
Russsia and China have been very restrained so far, even when the USA blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

 

[Gideon300]

The number of Palestinians killed far exceeds the number of Israels killed btw.

About 15,000 Palestinians were killed in a series of mass atrocities, including dozens of massacres in 1948.

So what? If Palestinians want to live, they should back off Israel. If I kept baiting a pit bull, I would have only myself to blame if it bit me. Hamas runs Gaza. They are forcing the people to remain in spite of Israel's warnings. I note that Hamas did not warn Israeli civilians of the Yom Kippur attack. Israel allowed 18,000 Gazans to work in Israel. Hamas used the intelligence gathered to plan the attack. This is not an ordinary war with ordinary people. Hamas and their ilk will only be happy when Israel ceases to exist. That's no secret. And a whole lot of Palestinians agree.

Jews were attacked by Arabs who objected to the number of settlers coming in and buying up the land. There is a context to the conflict. Jews were promised a homeland in 1917 by the British, who ruled Palestine. It was approved of, eventually, by the United Nations. Israel has every right to exist and to defend itself.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Thats not how that happened at all.
England and the league of nations broke up the Ottoman empire after ww2. (deciding that the Jacobites needed a nation of their own, because they didnt want them to stay in Europe) They split the region of palestine into 3 nations, Jordan, Israel, and Palestine. The borders looked like a jigsaw puzzel there was no way that was going to work. And the fighting has been ever since.
Even though;baring involvment in the WWs, the region was relatively peacful.

So if you go to Jerusalem today you will not see Christians churches. The dome of the rock. and Jewish tabernacles all in the same place.?

all the pictures I see if these are fake pictures?

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Yes... it is because they are deceived... as if saying "No" or "Stop" to Islamists will stop them .

remember, these younger people can not tell the difference between a man and a woman..

yeah we should head them as experts..

 

[Gideon300]

Indiscriminate bombing of civilians? Possibly even the standing down of the military in order to facilitate a terrorist attack.

Not so. Unless it is deliberate, killing civilians is not a war crime. Hamas is the criminal organisation.

 

[HeIsHere]

Jews were promised a homeland in 1917 by the British, who ruled Palestine.

Israel can have its own country that is not my focus, my focus is showing this is by no means asymmetrical unless one thinks one human life is not of equal value as the other.

Israel was a nation created by the Rothchilds this is an indisputable fact.

 

[PennEd]

I wonder why?

They tell us why. Maybe you hadn't seen this I posted a couple days ago. The Muslim tells the Christian that he was told by ISLAM to hate, cut the head off, and fight the non muslim. They are taught this from birth!

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1712544054213488780?s=20

 

[Gideon300]

I do agree Gaza is a trigger to satisfy western imperialistic goals.
Russsia and China have been very restrained so far, even when the USA blew up the Nord Stream pipeline.

Sheesh, get a grip on reality. What western imperialistic goals might they be? Russia and China restrained. Russia is tied up trying to restore its lost empire. That's not imperialistic? China claims most of the South China Sea as well as Taiwan. Not imperialistic much.

 

[maxwel]

Palestinian Civilians Killed - A Plan Old As Time:


"Hamas Is Known To Use Hospitals, Ambulances, Mosques, Churches And Schools As Shields For Its Military Activity."
- Middle East Media Research International
https://www.memri.org/reports/hamas...ues-churches-and-schools-shields-its-military


The Well Known Game Plan:
1. Hamas fires rockets into civilian neighborhoods in Israel, and kills civilians.
2. When Hamas fires rockets into civilian neighborhoods in Israel, and kills civilians, that launch site has to be attacked, or they will just KEEP FIRING, and KEEP KILLING CIVILIANS.
3. To protect their own civilians, Israel MUST attack the launch site... to stop the killing.
4. Hamas puts their launch sites in civilians areas, even inside schools, to GET THEIR OWN PEOPLE KILLED... as they know Israel must fire back to defend itself.
5. When Hamas gets their own people killed, intentionally, they get to parade around on television, and weep, and pretend to be victims.

Conclusion:
1. Hamas has been doing this for decades.
2. It's well known, and well understood.
3. They do this because IT WORKS... people fall for it.
4. It works so well, that it's the underlying tactic used by communist revolutionaries, and leftist movements - they intentionally cause problems, and then pretend to be victims when people stop them or retaliate.
5. BTW... this "false victimhood" is the same tactic used by master manipulators, like psychopaths and narcissists, to target and manipulate those around them.
It's as old as time.


If someone is shooting rockets into your neighborhood killing people, you have to stop them, or they'll keep killing. But WHEN you stop them, civilians on their side get killed... by their own design. You really have no choice. They've made it "them or you."

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[HeIsHere]

They tell us why. Maybe you hadn't seen this I posted a couple days ago. The Muslim tells the Christian the he was told by ISLAM to hate, cut the head off, and fight the non muslim. They are taught this from birth!

https://x.com/atensnut/status/1712544054213488780?s=20

I can find footage of Jewish people with the same sentiment, hatred runs deep on both sides.