Israel Declares War

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Smoke

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Israel does not have allies that will put boots on the ground.

As for money, Biden wants to give 10 billion to Israel and 10 billion to the Palestinians. Hardly impacting the asymmetry of the war.

Biden gave $80 billion to the Taliban who are also joining this battle, and some estimates of his policies wind up giving Iran $146 billion, others $66 billion. With allies like that who needs enemies.
I'm not sure why you think Israel doesn't have allies because they aren't putting boots on the ground. I support Israel putting boots on the ground to target Hamas terrorists. This will localize their assault and yield fewer civilian deaths. We will see what Iran/Hezbollah does if/when Israel goes in with boots on the ground. The OG colonizers (US, UK, France, Germany, Italy) have already pledge support for Israel.

As for Joe Biden, I still can't get over how he calls "Hamas" the "other team". Really disturbing.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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people do that in the us..

the fact that Christians and Islam is allowed to be there period is unlike most nations on earth

what do muslims do to christians and jews who live n their territories?
That just means Israel has no choice right now. The need the west to survive and rhey cant provoke all of the surrounding muslim nations.

Who said the US is at peace? There is not peace in many US cities.
 

ZNP

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I've taken some heat from some of my Muslim friends for describing how we view men with child brides. They thought is was islamophobia, yet I've had Muslim work associates who confirm it unapologetically. It's really a confusing religion for me when I've tried to understand what it really is they believe.
They worship Allah who is the "Lord of the worlds". It is said "He begets not" and they also say "Nor was he begotten". So he is clearly in opposition to Jesus, yet he also claims to be omniscient and omnipotent. So Allah is in direct opposition to the God of the Bible.

Does that help?
 

ZNP

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I'm not sure why you think Israel doesn't have allies because they aren't putting boots on the ground. I support Israel putting boots on the ground to target Hamas terrorists. This will localize their assault and yield fewer civilian deaths. We will see what Iran/Hezbollah does if/when Israel goes in with boots on the ground. The OG colonizers (US, UK, France, Germany, Italy) have already pledge support for Israel.

As for Joe Biden, I still can't get over how he calls "Hamas" the "other team". Really disturbing.
25:1 was a comparison of the populations allied against Israel in this war and it indicates Israel could be greatly outnumbered on the battlefield. That is why not having allies that will put boots on the ground is relevant to this discussion.

There are other metrics you could use, for example Israel is a nuclear power, but then so is Pakistan, Russia, (Iran?), China, and all those who would quickly come to aid in the war against Israel should they use nukes. So not much of an advantage, if any.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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The palestinians were protesting Hamas, and instead of rushing in to help the palestinian people I srael decides to bomb their homes to rubble.
 

ZNP

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The palestinians were protesting Hamas, and instead of rushing in to help the palestinian people I srael decides to bomb their homes to rubble.
Good news, what is happening there is coming to America, so after we get attacked you too can rush to help the Palestinian people.
 
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Locoponydirtman

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25:1 was a comparison of the populations allied against Israel in this war and it indicates Israel could be greatly outnumbered on the battlefield. That is why not having allies that will put boots on the ground is relevant to this discussion.
I would have been all for helping them if they had helped the protesting palestinians, and help them get rid of Hamas But they chose the bomb them to rubble. So i say we should not help.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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That just means Israel has no choice right now. The need the west to survive and rhey cant provoke all of the surrounding muslim nations.

Who said the US is at peace? There is not peace in many US cities.
Do people get their heads chopped off in America for being a jew or a christian?

are people firing rockets and killing innocent people because they are jewish?

do you even understand what peace is?
 
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Locoponydirtman

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Do people get their heads chopped off in America for being a jew or a christian?

are people firing rockets and killing innocent people because they are jewish?

do you even understand what peace is?
So as long as heads aint being chopped off it peace?
And rockets arent blazing its peace?
Yep. I know what peace is. It seems you dont.

If one throws a rock at the other when ever they see each other thats not peace.
Using political power to suppress the other is also not peace.
 

Magenta

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I've taken some heat from some of my Muslim friends for describing how we view men with child brides.
They thought is was islamophobia, yet I've had Muslim work associates who confirm it unapologetically.
It's really a confusing religion for me when I've tried to understand what it really is they believe.
Nor can Islam be understood just by reading the koran, because the traditions, practices, life and sayings
of Muhammad (the Sunnah) are needed to contextualize and add to it, nor it is ordered in chronological
sequence, but by length of verse, so verses are neither in the order in which the verses were revealed nor
in a narrative format, and older verses that are not in agreement with newer verses are tossed/abrogated,
so the violence that grew with Islam (bring spread by the sword as it was) take precedence over earlier
more peaceful verses. Keep in mind also the principle/practice of taqiyya...
 

ZNP

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Do people get their heads chopped off in America for being a jew or a christian?

are people firing rockets and killing innocent people because they are jewish?

do you even understand what peace is?
Of course I know what peace is, it is knowing the savior and knowing whatever happens you have been redeemed for all eternity. It is realizing you don't need to fear those that can only kill the body and after that there is nothing they can do, rather the one to Fear is the one who can throw you into hell after you die and now that I have been redeemed by the blood of the lamb that will not happen.
 

PennEd

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A true very bright spot. I highly recommend watching this former Muslims testimony. I’ll post some of the transcript:


I was on my way to the United States to convert Christians to Islam, and I had 30 illegal passports at that time. I was arrested and put in jail in Malaysia. I was a dedicated Muslim who not only prayed the prayers, but I read the Quran once every ten days cover to cover. So I was very dedicated in my time in jail.

One day, as I’m praying, a man appears in front of me – normal size, but his being shines like light. This light is not a normal light. This light carried identity in it. And you knew that he is holy and instantaneously, I knew I am not. Even though I had prayed so many prayers, even though I had fasted so much and I had read the Quran and I had volunteered to work on landmines or I had participated in hanging people trying to please Allah, I knew, even though I have kept all the rules and regulation of Islam, I knew I am not just and I’m not holy and I knew the only just thing for him to do is to kill me.
But I didn’t want to die. So I ran to the corner of the room, literally held my head in my arms, and just cried out, shouting, “Forgive me, forgive me, forgive me.”

He recalled, “And I didn’t think he will forgive me because he is just. Still, I felt a touch on my left arm, and he said, ‘I forgive you.’ And I felt the weight just lifted off me. And I knew I’m forgiven, but I don’t know how. And I was confused. Still, I say, okay, I don’t understand. Only God can forgive, but you just forgave me. You are God, but you are a different God than the one I have studied about. This is not Allah. So who are you that forgives me? And he said, ‘I am the way, the truth, and the life.’

“And I thought, That’s very powerful. It means a lot because as a Muslim, you pray ‘Show me there’s a straight path.’ And so the way is a direction. Truth is something you measure. Life is a source, but he claims to be all those three. I never thought the way is a person. The truth is a person, and life is a person, and all of them is the same person.
“So I said, ‘I don’t understand what is your name?’ And he said, ‘Jesus Christ.’ And it was as if someone grabbed all my bones out of my body. I just fell like a piece of meat to the ground. And I just began to weep.”

At CBN’s bureau in Jerusalem, the report said, Javid met an Israeli woman, Sahsa Ariey, whose teenage sister was among those kidnapped by Hamas during its attack.
“He and his wife wept as they watched her story. He introduced himself to her, off-camera, prayed with her, and apologized to her,” CBN reported.
CBN reported he also offered a prayer for the Middle East:
The creator of heaven and Earth, God Almighty. You love the world, the whole world, all the people of the world. So much that you sacrificed Jesus Christ so that we will not perish but have eternal life. I pray today that the revelation of Jesus Christ would go forth amongst the Muslims and the sons of Ishmael. Father, I pray that you would remember that covenant with Ishmael, that you would go forth because Ishmael is thirsty for the revelation of love, for the revelation of Jesus Christ, for the revelation of salvation. Father, I pray that there would be a hand of protection that would protect Isaac on every front, not only in Israel but all around the world. Give us visions, dreams, and wisdom to speak peace in this war, in Jesus’s mighty name I pray. Amen.”​
 
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Locoponydirtman

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I've taken some heat from some of my Muslim friends for describing how we view men with child brides. They thought is was islamophobia, yet I've had Muslim work associates who confirm it unapologetically. It's really a confusing religion for me when I've tried to understand what it really is they believe.
It is indeed.
While some are nice as can be other are vile and nasty as can be. Ya just never know.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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So as long as heads aint being chopped off it peace?
And rockets arent blazing its peace?
Yep. I know what peace is. It seems you dont.

If one throws a rock at the other when ever they see each other thats not peace.
Using political power to suppress the other is also not peace.
I got rocks thrown at me in school. Was I at war?
 

shittim

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I'm not sure why you think Israel doesn't have allies because they aren't putting boots on the ground. I support Israel putting boots on the ground to target Hamas terrorists. This will localize their assault and yield fewer civilian deaths. We will see what Iran/Hezbollah does if/when Israel goes in with boots on the ground. The OG colonizers (US, UK, France, Germany, Italy) have already pledge support for Israel.

As for Joe Biden, I still can't get over how he calls "Hamas" the "other team". Really disturbing.
We have a disturbed ccp installed administration and president.
 

shittim

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I just found this from a group who goes to sites of horrible tragedies, this one says it is worse than anything he has ever seen, speaks to me of how satan is unleashing his worst as he knows his time is near.
 

ZNP

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As for Joe Biden, I still can't get over how he calls "Hamas" the "other team". Really disturbing.
Yep, put the pieces together and it gets even more disturbing.

Biden's red wedding speech, open border policy, $80 billion to Taliban, $140 billion to Iran along with removal of oversight on their nuclear program, and money laundry through Ukraine, makes you wonder what team he is on.
 

Magenta

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They thought is was islamophobia, yet I've had Muslim work associates who confirm it unapologetically.
Here is a video by atheist Pat Condell, who made quite a few. They may be a little dated now...