Israel Declares War

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Smoke

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It seems to me that you see a very real problem but don't really know how to deal with it...?
Welcome to the club.
Exactly, and thank you brother. It's not a fun club to be in though.
 

ZNP

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POLICE STATION RAIDED! NEW WAR IN GAZA ISRAEL'S ENEMIES ARE KILLING EACH OTHER! Israel Gaza War

 

Billyd

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If 20 rockets are launched at you from a specific site, are you going to return the fire and eliminate the site, or are you going to wait for them to launch another round. When an act of war is launched from a point in a country, it becomes a legitimate target, regardless of who is at the point.

In the case of Hamas, they have no selection rules about targets. In fact the more women and children they kill or injure. The more likely they are going to attack. If the people that they are surrounding their launch sites with try to escape the site, Hamas will kill them.
 

ZNP

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If 20 rockets are launched at you from a specific site, are you going to return the fire and eliminate the site, or are you going to wait for them to launch another round. When an act of war is launched from a point in a country, it becomes a legitimate target, regardless of who is at the point.

In the case of Hamas, they have no selection rules about targets. In fact the more women and children they kill or injure. The more likely they are going to attack. If the people that they are surrounding their launch sites with try to escape the site, Hamas will kill them.
Yes, this is why this argument about Israel killing civilians is so hypocritical. All of Hamas missiles and mortars are random, there is little to no attempt to hit military targets. They shoot from densely populated regions so not only are they trying to kill Israeli civilians they are hoping for collateral damage of Palestinians.

So Hamas gets to play by one set of rules while Israel has to play by different rules.

Now watch as the Hamas apologists come running in to justify this.
 

Billyd

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Yes, this is why this argument about Israel killing civilians is so hypocritical. All of Hamas missiles and mortars are random, there is little to no attempt to hit military targets. They shoot from densely populated regions so not only are they trying to kill Israeli civilians they are hoping for collateral damage of Palestinians.

So Hamas gets to play by one set of rules while Israel has to play by different rules.

Now watch as the Hamas apologists come running in to justify this.

Israel has had enough. They could care less what the rest of the world thinks. This time they will fight until Hamas is gone, or they get an unconditional Hamas surrender.
 

ZNP

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Israel has had enough. They could care less what the rest of the world thinks. This time they will fight until Hamas is gone, or they get an unconditional Hamas surrender.
What about Hezbollah? Iran? Syria? Jordan?
 

Smoke

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Yes, this is why this argument about Israel killing civilians is so hypocritical. All of Hamas missiles and mortars are random, there is little to no attempt to hit military targets. They shoot from densely populated regions so not only are they trying to kill Israeli civilians they are hoping for collateral damage of Palestinians.

So Hamas gets to play by one set of rules while Israel has to play by different rules.

Now watch as the Hamas apologists come running in to justify this.
No, they actually have a similar mindset that many people here have. "It's not a war crime to kill civilians if you're in a state of war. They are merely "collateral damage". Knowing an attack will kill more civilians than militants is of no relevance. Even you couldn't agree to not blowing up civilians unless a condition was met.

"Forgive them for they know not what they do."
 

Smoke

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What about Hezbollah? Iran? Syria? Jordan?
According to your logic, those can't be considered Hamas allies because they aren't putting boots on the ground in Israel. At least not yet.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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If you believe this, can you admit and say explicitly, "It is better to airstrike Hamas terrorists even though we know it will end up killing more innocent Palestinian civilians rather than choosing an alternative plan which discriminately target Hamas terrorists and minimizes Palestinian civilians."?
You take them out however you can.. if it means ground groups or air strikes. Thats what they pay people who have done this for a long time
 

Smoke

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You take them out however you can.. if it means ground groups or air strikes. Thats what they pay people who have done this for a long time
I appreciate your boldness and honesty in how you really feel about how Israel should eradicate Hamas while disposing Palestinian civilians like garbage. Some people hide behind fake sympathetic words but harbor the same type of mentality that you have. I'd rather someone show me their true face.
 

ZNP

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I appreciate your boldness and honesty in how you really feel about how Israel should eradicate Hamas while disposing Palestinian civilians like garbage. Some people hide behind fake sympathetic words but harbor the same type of mentality that you have. I'd rather someone show me their true face.
Wow! Are you a furbie?
 

iamsoandso

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It's not much different from the siege of Jerusalem in ad70,,,if they are surrounded in the city long enough eventually each of the separate factions will begin to lay the blame on one another for bringing the calamity upon the people's of Gaza and they will pick up arms and destroy each other. In the mean time all you need do is watch your other borders and watch to see if anyone else will come to their rescue. Hamas,the PLO, PIJ, PFLP ect. will all fight one another to become the new emerging power in Gaza.
 

Nehemiah6

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According to your logic, those can't be considered Hamas allies because they aren't putting boots on the ground in Israel. At least not yet.
Who do you think enabled Hamas to do what it has been doing and also did recently? Had it not been for Iran, there would be no Hamas. Yet no one want to talk about going after the ayatollahs, the Iranian armed forces, and all their investments in weaponry (including nuclear bombs and manufacturing facilities) all to destroy Israel. The civilians of Iran are the victims, and when there was an uprising against the ayatollahs and mullahs (not too long ago), no one stepped in to help them shake off the demonic bondage of their evil leaders.

Iran had already vowed more than fifty years ago to destroy the Great Satan and the Little Satan. But Western leaders simply ignored Khomeini, and now the world is paying the price. State-sponsored terrorism comes from Iran.
 

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Ted01

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According to your logic, those can't be considered Hamas allies because they aren't putting boots on the ground in Israel. At least not yet.
??Hezbollah is already engaged in military actions against Israel... and they are admittedly a proxy of Iran. So, they both, in a very real way, have "boots on the ground" don't they?

As for Syria and Jordan, the Israeli Gov't has put out an advisory that citizens stay clear of both their boarders. Both have been part of hostilities in the past, right?
 

ZNP

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This is the first time in the last 2,000 years when these prophecies concerning the timing of the rapture have been fulfilled.

Mark 13:23 But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. 24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

It is rare for a lunar eclipse to follow 14 days after a solar eclipse. Happens around twice a year. If people had understood this requirement it would have eliminated many of the bogus claims of the rapture with people being deceived. This is what we are seeing now with a solar eclipse on the 14th and a lunar eclipse on the 28th.

25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

This is a reference to Revelation 12 and the manchild being caught up to heaven, it is a reference to the rapture. But notice, it takes place during this battle in "heaven". We are told in Daniel that the battles in heaven get played out on earth among the worldly rulers. So not only do you need a solar eclipse prior to a lunar eclipse, you also need to see this war taking place among worldly rulers. Michael refers to one faction of angels and Satan to another. So to see the US government fighting with itself is a very good example of what we would see. How often have we seen this kind of battle taking place at exactly the same time a solar eclipse preceeds a lunar eclipse? Put both of these together and it becomes even more rare. For example, when Nixon resigned in 1974 we had a lunar eclipse and then a solar eclipse about two months beforehand, so that would not fit this pattern. Today we see a very definite split and war going on in this country, the same in Palestine, and to be fair, the same all over the world. The pandemic was worldwide and this battle is worldwide.

26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

This is the rapture event, I consider that this is the opening of the sixth seal.

27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

Again, a reference to the rapture.

Luke 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

How many times have we seen this happen? You could say in 1967, 1973 and today.

The Six day war was June 5, 1967. However, the lunar eclipse was in April and the Solar eclipse in May, so that would be eliminated.

Likewise in 1973 during the Yom Kippur war we had the lunar eclipse first and then the solar eclipse.
 

ThereRoseaLamb

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I appreciate your boldness and honesty in how you really feel about how Israel should eradicate Hamas while disposing Palestinian civilians like garbage. Some people hide behind fake sympathetic words but harbor the same type of mentality that you have. I'd rather someone show me their true face.
War is hell, there is a reason that is a saying. Israel has given civilians time to get out and even at that are doing everything they possibly can not to hit Arab civilians. They are not the ones in the wrong, they are not the terrorists, they do not want this, they want peace!!
 

Everlasting-Grace

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I appreciate your boldness and honesty in how you really feel about how Israel should eradicate Hamas while disposing Palestinian civilians like garbage. Some people hide behind fake sympathetic words but harbor the same type of mentality that you have. I'd rather someone show me their true face.
You dont know Jack about me.

When your enemy puts your racket launcher in an apartment building and launches rockets that kill your own civilians. What do you do Continue to allow them to shoot rockets to kill your innocent civilians. Or take the racket launchers out. Knowing it will kill some of their civilians.

You only seem to care when it is Palestinians killed. Not when innocent Israel are killed by rockets.. because Israel is worried bout killing innocence so they let them go (well they did. I think it is clear they are not now.)