Israel Declares War

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No it doesn't. It does belong to God though and He promised it to the Jews.
That promise came with conditions. If they fail to comply with His directives the covenant becomes null and void.
They failed to comply and now they will suffer the consequences.
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So why and how has all Gaza been totally cut off from communication with the world whilst bombarded?
Is this unprecedented?
This is done to put in a weakened state as they prepare for a ground invasion.

The Israelis have a history of oppression and subjugation of the Gaza strip and in the West Bank.
 

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I'm not sure anyone really denies this.

I think this debate really comes down to who these Jews are. Some hold that it can only be those who call themselves Jews (or Israelis), and who are living in the state known as Israel at present. I find this belief unscriptural, as any man or his dog can claim to be Jewish and migrate to Israel.

Others hold a more scriptural position, in that God looks at the heart, and that the true Jews are those who are circumcised in heart, not necessarily making an outer show of being Jews, and not necessarily living in the state known as Israel.

Well exactly, at this point in time the markers in the human genome are far different than 2000+ years ago. A recent study which I can link if I can remember where I filed showed that most modern day Jews are of European ancestry.


This is a snippet but it can be researched further.

The result was very clear-cut, the authors say: As reported online today in Nature Communications, more than 80% of Ashkenazi mtDNAs had their origins thousands of years ago in Western Europe, during or before Biblical times—and in some cases even before farming came to that part of the continent some 7500 years ago. The closest matches were with mtDNAs from people who today live in and around Italy. The results imply that the Jews can trace their heritage to women who had lived in Europe at that time. Very few Ashkenazi mtDNAs could be traced to the Middle East.
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US Delta forces are in Gaza fighting, Israel using bunker busting bombs. Military probably jamming the satellite uplinks.

https://rumble.com/v3s4rca-breaking...io-has-happened-all-out-war-in-the-middl.html

BREAKING NEWS !!! THE WORSE CASE SCENARIO HAS HAPPENED, ALL OUT WAR IN THE MIDDLE EAST HAS BEGUN !!

US has officially entered the war.

Oil is up 3% and spiking.

Gold is over $2,000.
Interesting that Silver really hasn’t followed suit.
Yea it’s up. But should be more relative to gold.
 

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Interesting that Silver really hasn’t followed suit.
Yea it’s up. But should be more relative to gold.
It is right up against the resistance line, when it breaks that it goes up 40%.
 

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Hamas leaders are not saints, but the Israelis are worse.
Israel has used its IDF sniper teams to single out and murder Palestinians, even while one child was sitting at his classroom desk. This was a targeted murder of a Palestinian child. But this is not the only child murdered by the IDF, there are dozens of others that are just as tragic.
How can you support a country that uses its sniper teams to murder children?
https://tinyurl.com/55a7bhxw
Genocide numbers:



https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/gaza-death-toll-records-1.7010255 1698502866716.png
 

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I know the difference between a bomb and a missile. I'm ex military, Navy to be precise. We had missiles and 4.5 inch guns, effectively floating artillery. The air arm had missiles and bombs. I know what the damage patterns look like. What is your experience? Don't lie, God knows your every thought even before you do.
One person's expertise is not sufficient to make a determination of proof.

It would take a team, consisting of personnel from various disciplines.

This team of investigators should be a third party.

It is well known the IDF lies.
 

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That promise came with conditions. If they fail to comply with His directives the covenant becomes null and void.
They failed to comply and now they will suffer the consequences.
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NO not the Abrahamic Covenant, the land promise remains, everlasting, unconditional.
 

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I am amazed how little you know about the history of this region.

Jews themselves have published books based on information found in the archives.

It is very sad how you live in this extreme denial.

The word of God has been turned into a book of speculation. Shame.

And YES Romans 11 was written to the Jews living in Rome during the first century, that is how hermeneutics works, audience relevance.
 

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I'm not sure anyone really denies this.

I think this debate really comes down to who these Jews are. Some hold that it can only be those who call themselves Jews (or Israelis), and who are living in the state known as Israel at present. I find this belief unscriptural, as any man or his dog can claim to be Jewish and migrate to Israel.

Others hold a more scriptural position, in that God looks at the heart, and that the true Jews are those who are circumcised in heart, not necessarily making an outer show of being Jews, and not necessarily living in the state known as Israel.
But God made specific promises to the Jew. And then He told them He would give them a new heart. What is being constantly ignored is that the Bible says the Jews will repent. The dry bones are Israel. Because the Jews denied Christ, God moved to the Gentiles and they did what the Jews were suppose to do. Jews have suffered because of this. But God is a God of mercy, unmerited favor. He said the promise was everlasting. The Jews are blinded for a time. But they will come to the truth, recognize their Messiah and morn. God will keep His promises.
 

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Hamas leaders are not saints, but the Israelis are worse.
That is a comment made from hate. Hamas are terrorists.

Israel has used its IDF sniper teams to single out and murder Palestinians, even while one child was sitting at his classroom desk. This was a targeted murder of a Palestinian child. But this is not the only child murdered by the IDF, there are dozens of others that are just as tragic.
Flat out LIE


How can you support a country that uses its sniper teams to murder children?
https://tinyurl.com/55a7bhxw

IDK tell us, how do you sleep at night?? I guess you've listened to lies and propaganda so much it doesn't bother you now.
 

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"anyone who wants to thwart

the establishment of a Palestinian state

has to support the bolstering of Hamas

and transferring money to Hamas this is

part of our strategy to isolate the

Palestinians in Gaza from the

Palestinians in the West Bank"


Prime Minister Netanyahu in 2019
 

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I believe Israel and Hammas are equally as bad; but I am not sure what reports we can believe or are simply false. The Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza said Israeli strikes had killed 7,703 people, mainly civilians, with more than 3,500 of them children.
When some people are unwilling to ascribe any guilt to a certain side of this conflict then we know that the propaganda has worked its magic.

But yes the first causality of war is truth.
 

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I am amazed how little you know about the history of this region.
No, it's amazing how little YOU know!! I listen to facts not random haters that fit my opinion like you have posted here.

1)Before the modern state of Israel there was the British mandate, Not a Palestinian state .
2) Before the British mandate there was the ottoman empire, Not a Palestinian state .
3) Before the ottoman empire there was the Islamic mamluk sultanate of Egypt, Not a Palestinian state .
4)Before the Islamic mamluk sultanate of Egypt there was the ayyubid dynasty, Not a Palestinian state .Godfrey of bouillon conquered it in 1099.
5) Before the ayyubid dynasty there was the christian kingdom of Jerusalem, Not a Palestinian state .
6) Before the christian kingdom of Jerusalem there was the Fatimid caliphate, Not a Palestinian state .
7) Before the Fatimid caliphate there was the byzantine empire, Not a Palestinian state .
Before the byzantine empire there was the Roman empire, Not a Palestinian state .
9) Before the Roman empire there was the hasmonean dynasty, Not a Palestinian state .
10)Before the hasmonean dynasty there was the Seleucid empire,Not a Palestinian state .
11) Before the Seleucid empire there was the empire of Alexander the 3rd of Macedon, Not a Palestinian state .
12) Before the empire of Alexander the 3rd of Macedon there was the Persian empire, Not a Palestinian state .
13) Before the Persian empire there was the Babylonian empire, Not a Palestinian state .
14) Before the Babylonian empire there was the kingdoms of Israel and Judea, Not a Palestinian state .
15) Before the kingdoms of Israel and Judea there was the kingdom of Israel, Not a Palestinian state .
16) Before the kingdom of Israel there was the theocracy of the 12 tribes of Israel, Not a Palestinian state .
17) Before the theocracy of the 12 tribes of Israel there was the individual state of Canaan, Not a Palestinian state .

In fact in this corner of the earth there was everything but a Palestinian state!

On 19 June 1967, Israel offered "to give up Sinai and the Golan in exchange for peace,"an offer that was rejected in September 1967 by the Arab States by the Khartoum Resolution, which became famous for the "Three No's": "no peace with Israel, no recognition of Israel, no negotiations with it...


Prime Minister Ehud Barak offered unprecedented concessions that most Israelis thought were dangerous at summits with Arafat and President Clinton. Barak agreed to the creation of a contiguous Palestinian state in 97% of the West Bank with east Jerusalem as its capital, and to dismantle isolated settlements. According to U.S. peace negotiator Dennis Ross, Arafat rejected "every single one of the ideas" for compromise.

Israel agreed to withdraw from parts of the West Bank and Gaza Strip and arm a Palestinian police force — and did so — even though Arafat did not fulfill his promises to recognize Israel's right to exist, renounce terrorism, negotiate disputes, and confiscate illegal weapons.

Israel captured the West Bank defending itself after being attacked by Jordan. Still, Israel offered to trade most of this land for peace. It took 25 years before the Palestinians said they would accept this deal, but after Israel withdrew from almost all the Gaza Strip and nearly half the West Bank, the Palestinians have not given Israelis any peace, only terror.


When Egypt's Sadat demonstrated by word and deed that he would keep his promise of peace, Israel withdrew from the strategically important Sinai desert, gave up its oil fields, and dismantled Jewish settlements.

The Jews were asked to give up most of the territory they had lived in for centuries, and where they had been independent for more than 400 years. They were asked to accept the internationalization of their historic capital of Jerusalem. In the interest of peace, they accepted the UN partition. The Arabs rejected it. Had they not, a Palestinian state would now be 54 years old.

The day after Israel declared independence, it was invaded by five Arab states. Israel prevailed in the war and expected to sign treaties that would allow all the nations to live in peace from that point on; however, it took more than 30 years before any Arab state recognized Israel's right to exist.

So don't talk to me about denial!! Arabs could have had peace in the ME yearsss ago! They don't want peace! They don't recognize that Israel has a right to even exist! Israel sits on 1% of land in the ME and STILL they aren't allowed to have a homeland to defend!! YOU still insist they should give up that tiny 1%. The land was theirs before an Arab put a toenail on the land. Biblically, historically, the land belongs to them!! They have given Arabs every chance for peace and they have been denied. People who say Israel doesn't have a right to this land after all these facts do it for one reason, Antisemitism! And this fact you can count on, you won't enter heaven hating God's chosen people.

The word of God has been turned into a book of speculation. Shame.
Shame!? You're calling God a liar. lol Think you better point that finger in the right direction. smh

And YES Romans 11 was written to the Jews living in Rome during the first century, that is how hermeneutics works, audience relevance.
Yes, about the future, same as a lot of things in Scripture.
 

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I believe Israel and Hammas are equally as bad; but I am not sure what reports we can believe or are simply false. The Hamas-controlled health ministry in Gaza said Israeli strikes had killed 7,703 people, mainly civilians, with more than 3,500 of them children.
Hamas are terrorists, they celebrate every time they kill a Jew. They name streets after people who have murdered Jews. They butchered nearly 2000 innocent civilians and took hostages that are babies. They are NOT the same! Israel has done everything to make peace with these vermin and they will not relent. If Palestinians want peace they need to oust Hamas, and they would have my full support, and Israels for that matter. Israel has given civilians time to leave, at least three times they have dropped flyers, which is a blazes lot more than Hamas did for them. Still Israel is trying not to hit civilians. But Hamas will make sure they do! Israel is not to blame. Period. They have waited like the US asked. Hamas didn't wait for anything, just butchered families. If you hold with that, there is something seriously wrong with you.