Israel Declares War

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PennEd said:
I can remember clear as day talking with people in the mid 90s, about end times and rapture.

They were mature in the faith, and always said the key was to keep your eyes on Turkey.

As long as Turkey was friendly with Israel, and had a strong secular government, the end wasn’t coming. And Turkey for many years had a good relationship with the West in general, and Israel specifically. Well, no more.

With so many pieces in place now, I can’t even think of one that isn’t. Turkey may indeed turn out to be the last piece.

JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718266783335948681
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Totally agree re: Turkey.
 
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maxwel said:
there is a lOT of controversy about which Arabs, and what percentage of them, are genuinely descendants of Ishmael in the first place.
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Many so-called Arabs are actually the desendants of Abraham and Keturah.
Medan, Midian, Sheba etc.....
 
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PennEd said:
I can remember clear as day talking with people in the mid 90s, about end times and rapture.

They were mature in the faith, and always said the key was to keep your eyes on Turkey.

As long as Turkey was friendly with Israel, and had a strong secular government, the end wasn’t coming. And Turkey for many years had a good relationship with the West in general, and Israel specifically. Well, no more.

With so many pieces in place now, I can’t even think of one that isn’t. Turkey may indeed turn out to be the last piece.

JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718266783335948681
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They found some new discoveries of remains in Turkey of Noah's Ark this week too.
 
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Cameron143 said:
Always a pleasure getting your take. Since I'm an optimist, I think you start where you can, and build from there. Since I'm an optimist but not an optometrist, I guess we'll see.
And hope you have a blessed Lord's Day as well.
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I see what ya did there. ;)
 
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maxwel said:
Abraham Accords:
The Abraham Accords were certainly a thing, but:
1.) They represented a very small percentage of the Arab nations.
2.) They didn't generate any "love" in the Arab world... just some "tolerance" in a couple of places, which was always tenuous.
3.) There's no historical reason to think any peace agreements are going to enjoy any longevity.
4.) And regarding Israel having peace with descendants of Ishmael: there is a lOT of controversy about which Arabs, and what percentage of them, are genuinely descendants of Ishmael in the first place.
(Muslims claim all Arabs are descended from Ishmael, but historians and scholars don't agree... so there's that.)

So yes, there were peace accords, limited, in only a few places, for a short time, and tenuous.... but peace accords.

Real Issue at Hand - Arabs in Current Conflict:
1.)The real issue at hand is not an issue of just any Arabs anywhere, but the PARTICULAR Arabs in conflict with Israel, and those supporting them.
2.) Doesn't look promising: when polled, around 60%-70% of palestinians usually say they support Hamas.
3.) Problem is more than just Hamas: there were at least 7 different jihadist groups participating in the recent attack on Israel.
4.) Problem with the jihadist supporters: As we all know, Iran and other Arab nations support the jihadists in palestine, and are doing everything to escalate the conflict into a much larger war with Israel.
5.) The other Arab countries WANT this conflict, and WANT the palestinians to fight, like cannon fodder, till everyone is destroyed.
(This is why NO ARAB NATION WILL TAKE PALESTINIAN IMMIGRANTS. Their Arab brothers are keeping them bottled up there, so they have no choice but to act as a proxy, and fight against Israel. Their Arab brothers are using them as cannon fodder, just using them up as a disposable proxy to die fighting Israel... and they don't care in the least.)
6.) The current DESIRE of the jihadis and many palestinians is NOT to seek peace, or liberation, or some kind of improvement in their lives... what they DESIRE is to take ALL OF THE LAND, DRIVE EVERY ISRAELITE OUT, and KILL JEWS. It's impossible to make peace with someone who wants no peace.

Conclusion:
A.) If we consider all the points above, I simply cannot see any earthly way, any human way, to achieve any peace in Palestine.
B.) If we want to talk about a "divine way" forward... then we're back to debates on eschatology.


Cameron, I always enjoy your posts.
Hope you have a great Lord's Day tomorrow, and a great weekend.
God Bless Brother.

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Hot take, great points. In the end any lasting peace is in God's hands. I agree, I don't see any human way out either. It's the sword that every president has fallen on, except Trump and of course that was too soon to tell. I would say, sound the trumpet in Zion.
 
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HeIsHere said:
Are you back again, lol.

Yeah I'll deal with you tomorrow, maybe!! :D
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You would do better to first deal with this.....

Isa 14:1
For the LORD will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob.

Isa 14:2
And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the LORD for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors.

Isa 14:3
And it shall come to pass in the day that the LORD shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,
 
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we are watching the movie of his fulfillment of His plan to redeem his creation and I sure didn't think it would look this way.
Prayed His own would rise and reverse this and received a strong and favorable response.
I'm still partial to this man's overall teaching of the events, thanks for letting us know what to keep in prayer for his intervention, you are going through it "down there".
blessings
 
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Sat in Dr. Sutton's teaching in the 80's
His teaching still resonates
blessings:)(y)
 
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cv5 said:
Nope. Rome is the fourth beast, legs of iron and 7th head. Babylon preceded Rome.
And the origin of Babylon is.....NIMROD. That is when organized enforced false religion began.
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And do you know where the Talmud comes from? The Babylonian Talmud?

Ruby123 said:
They found some new discoveries of remains in Turkey of Noah's Ark this week too.
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Is that related to the Ron Wyatt find? Or something different?
 
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Can there be anything prophetic or anointed there? Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth, and is where our focus needs to be to avoid error.:)(y):unsure:
 
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shittim said:
Can there be anything prophetic or anointed there? Holy Spirit guides in ALL truth, and is where our focus needs to be to avoid error.:)(y):unsure:
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When I was focused on God while playing softball, I made 3 errors.
 
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PennEd said:
I can remember clear as day talking with people in the mid 90s, about end times and rapture.

They were mature in the faith, and always said the key was to keep your eyes on Turkey.

As long as Turkey was friendly with Israel, and had a strong secular government, the end wasn’t coming. And Turkey for many years had a good relationship with the West in general, and Israel specifically. Well, no more.

With so many pieces in place now, I can’t even think of one that isn’t. Turkey may indeed turn out to be the last piece.

JUST IN | During a rally in support of Palestine, Turkish President Erdoğan mentioned, 'We can come at any night unexpectedly,' and hundreds of thousands of Turkish citizens chanted, 'Turkish military to Gaza' in response
https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1718266783335948681
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Where is the rebuilt temple?

Isn't that a major piece?
 
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Brother Cameron-
You probably weren't focused on Him when he told to practice harder and better so you wouldn't flub the catch?:):giggle::giggle::giggle:(y):unsure::coffee:
 
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HeIsHere said:
Where is the rebuilt temple?

Isn't that a major piece?[/QUO

There is an order of events, after the rapture early on we ALL better hope we are here to see the later events, or you will know you blew it big time.
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