The Glasgow razor boy and eternal security

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mailmandan

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No, all false religions are against christianity
Boy, you went from bad to worse!
People who attend these false religions and cults don't see it that way. They truly believe their false religion is Christian. In what universe is going from Roman Catholicism to evangelical Christianity going from bad to worse? Where do you attend church?
 

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Projection - the mental process by which people attribute to others what is in their own minds. For example, individuals who are in a self-critical state, consciously or unconsciously, may think that other people are critical of them.
Thank you for that Dr Phil, but your mind games will not work on me. I've been a member of multiple Christian forum sites since 2011 and have been in thousands of discussions with numerous folks. You are not fooling me for one second.
 

mailmandan

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You are saying that God has, in the Bible, presented different forms of Faith.
you keep saying, it's Faith, but not about Saving Faith.
how many Faith's are there that truly represent God?
only ONE!
so, why are you trying to say there's MORE so this Verse changes in meaning for your viewpoint?
There is only one faith that saves, which is faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) There are people who profess to be Christians yet lack saving faith in Christ even though they still believe in certain historical facts about Christ. James talks about an empty profession of faith which demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead. (James 2:14)
 

mailmandan

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i Trust Jesus because I do as He commanded and I ABIDE or REMAIN in HIM. He ain't leaving me or going anywhere. But i could. I could decide to LEAVE.

Grant it, I would never do that.

but some have or Paul would not write: 4:1 But the Spirit speaks expressly that in latter times some shall apostatize from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons
This is what happens when faith is not firmly rooted and established from the start and one remains outside of God's preservation. (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) Professing adherence turns into departure. God finishes the work He starts (Philippians 1:6) and we are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation. (1 Peter 1:5)
 

mailmandan

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exactly, and why i continued the way i did.

i was raised in a Reformed Church [Southern Baptist]
i know ALL of the LIES.
and i won't back down when i see the LIES.
i will attack it every time.
So where do you attend church now?
 
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There is only one faith that saves, which is faith that trusts in Jesus Christ alone for salvation. (Romans 4:5-6; Philippians 3:9) There are people who profess to be Christians yet lack saving faith in Christ even though they still believe in certain historical facts about Christ. James talks about an empty profession of faith which demonstrates by the lack of works that it's dead. (James 2:14)
and I agree with you 100%

why did Jesus say He had something against Laodecia, He wants you either Hot or Cold, but people want to be Lukewarm Fence Riders. THEY CHOSE to only go so deep. People like Yourself and myself, we went head first and wanted to be buried into Christ.
 
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This is what happens when faith is not firmly rooted and established from the start and one remains outside of God's preservation. (Psalm 37:28; Jude 1:1) Professing adherence turns into departure. God finishes the work He starts (Philippians 1:6) and we are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation. (1 Peter 1:5)
it can also relate to new Believers, not just those, who do nothing after encountering God for the first time.
 
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So where do you attend church now?
My background from Parents [Mother - Southern Baptist] + [Dad - like his Dad (Pentecostal Preacher)]

I still attend both Pentecostal and Baptist Churches all the time. Awesome People, God, is always Present.

but even though, you see my opinion on some of the Reformed Doctrines, you are not seeing that i also have similar opinions towards the Apostolic Doctrines. It's easy to read Scripture and just see the WORDS no longer connected to some theological idealism now. Just to see them like when they were Spoken or Written. It's good to be FREE!
 
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what do you think, [they shall depart one by one from the faith], means?
what FAITH, are they Departing from to follow demonic teachings?
Exactly!

This is obviously speaking of people turn away from faith in Jesus and forsaking their Christian beliefs for demonic beliefs due to listening to the devil.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Exactly!

This is obviously speaking of people turn away from faith in Jesus and forsaking their Christian beliefs for demonic beliefs due to listening to the devil.
No

its talking about people/churches turning from the faith, like we see today
 
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No

its talking about people/churches turning from the faith, like we see today
This is obviously speaking of people turning away from faith in Jesus and forsaking their Christian beliefs for demonic beliefs due to listening to the devil.

There are only 2 view points for people to follow . . . God's view point or the devil's view point which is in opposition to God's view point.

If one turns away from the Lord, by default they have turned to the devil
 

Everlasting-Grace

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This is obviously speaking of people turning away from faith in Jesus and forsaking their Christian beliefs for demonic beliefs due to listening to the devil.

There are only 2 view points for people to follow . . . God's view point or the devil's view point which is in opposition to God's view point.

If one turns away from the Lord, by default they have turned to the devil
Those who follow satans viewpoint will never be saved. They may act saved, or clain to be saved. But they are not saved.

Those who trust in God are made new creatures, adopted by him into their family, because they have been broken.

There is no other option.

He who believes is not condemned

he ho does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY>>>>>>>>>

It’s an ongoing condemnation. Until/if they repent. If they never repent, it will be an eternal condemnation.
 

mailmandan

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Those who follow satans viewpoint will never be saved. They may act saved, or clain to be saved. But they are not saved.

Those who trust in God are made new creatures, adopted by him into their family, because they have been broken.

There is no other option.

He who believes is not condemned

he ho does not believe is CONDEMNED ALREADY>>>>>>>>>

It’s an ongoing condemnation. Until/if they repent. If they never repent, it will be an eternal condemnation.
There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers and its not uncommon to find them mixed together in various churches and on various Christian forum sites.
 
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Those who follow satans viewpoint will never be saved.
God's Word tells us in the end times... some who were following the Lord having been born again.... and then they fell away.

Matthew 24:4,5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed" that are deceiving many (false teachers)

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.




If they never repent, it will be an eternal condemnation.
And some repented, got born again... went BACK to living in sin and were no longer in right standing with the Lord and had to repent again and get back in right standing with the Lord.

WHY do you think Jesus told us about the prodigal son and how the Father said that his son was dead when he was gone and was ALIVE AGAIN once he returned???
 

Everlasting-Grace

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God's Word tells us in the end times... some who were following the Lord having been born again.... and then they fell away.

Matthew 24:4,5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
For many shall come in My Name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

*Many includes those claiming "I am anointed" that are deceiving many (false teachers)

1 Timothy 4:1,2
Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron

("depart from the faith" is not referring to sinners in the world who never came to faith in the first place)

2 Timothy 4:3,4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine (teaching); but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

2 Peter 2:1-3
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying (contradicting, Not agreeing with) the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
And through covetousness (idolatry) shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingers not, and their damnation slumbers not.

Jude 1:4
For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness (no self control, living after the flesh), and denying (contradicting, opposing Jesus’ teachings) the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. (referring to false teachers and false brethren - see Matthew 13:24-30)

(Deny = Strong's G0720… to contradict, disavow, reject, deny, refuse - and Strong's G4483… the idea of pouring forth, to utter, speak of or say, command)

Jude 1:17-21
Remember the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;
How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.
These are those who separate themselves, sensual, having not the Spirit.
But you, beloved, building up yourselves on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Ghost,
Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.
("those who separate themselves" is not referring to sinners in the world who were never joined unto the Lord in the first place)

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.






And some repented, got born again... went BACK to living in sin and were no longer in right standing with the Lord and had to repent again and get back in right standing with the Lord.

WHY do you think Jesus told us about the prodigal son and how the Father said that his son was dead when he was gone and was ALIVE AGAIN once he returned???
John said they can;t live in sin

why do you deny the power off God to Change people
 

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ok lol well I just thought I would ask as in the 1920s there was a gangster gang called the Glasgow razor boys who would cut people up with razors..

I wondered if you where ex Mathia 😋
 
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John said they can;t live in sin

why do you deny the power off God to Change people
I have been changed by God's power and do not live in sin anymore... that's not to say that it's literally impossible for me to ever ever sin again in the future.

We all have free will so when it says they cannot live in sin it's referring to how we should react when faced with temptation to sin which should be... "I can't do that!"... and then we don't do it.

It does not mean that it's impossible for us to sin ever again after having been born again... ALL people that have been born again have sinned since getting saved and those that claim they have not... just committed the sin of lying when they made that claim!

Any of us can make a decision to sin and that would be making a wrong decision.... and if we did that we would need to confess and forsake out sin in order to get back in right standing with the Lord.
 

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this is the key to eternal security, if the choice was ours then it is fickle and frail, if it were our will then it is changeable and suspect.
Have you made a decision to follow Jesus, or haven't you? Have you called upon the name of the Lord, or haven't you? There is no middle ground. No can coast through life in neutral hoping Calvin will save them. That is not the Gospel. That is not the way it works. Not even close.
 

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I have been changed by God's power and do not live in sin anymore... that's not to say that it's literally impossible for me to ever ever sin again in the future.

We all have free will so when it says they cannot live in sin it's referring to how we should react when faced with temptation to sin which should be... "I can't do that!"... and then we don't do it.

It does not mean that it's impossible for us to sin ever again after having been born again... ALL people that have been born again have sinned since getting saved and those that claim they have not... just committed the sin of lying when they made that claim!

Any of us can make a decision to sin and that would be making a wrong decision.... and if we did that we would need to confess and forsake out sin in order to get back in right standing with the Lord.
If you can still fall into deep habitual sin. You’re still a dog. And have not been changed.

Take the focus off self and put it on God where it belongs