Israel Declares War

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HeIsHere

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Have you not read that people reap what they sow? Hamas is entirely responsible, not God, and not Israel. I'm still waiting for anyone to come up with a workable solution that does not entail the death of 9 million citizens of Israel.

So Israel is above the law?
 

cv5

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Sad you think ethnic cleansing is not a crime.
Since when is the destruction of Hamas terrorists "ethnic cleansing"?
The non-belligerent Gazans just need to stay out of harms way. That's the way it is in any war zone.
 

HeIsHere

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Since when is the destruction of Hamas terrorists "ethnic cleansing"?
The non-belligerent Gazans just need to stay out of harms way. That's the way it is in any war zone.
The law says so, not you.
 

cv5

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Have you considered that since we are under a new covenant, of necessity the old is of necessity passed and no longer exists? And because it is a covenant involving God, for it to have ended, it must have been fulfilled?
Your last statement, that all must accept Christ, is a condition of the new covenant. The only way for God to deal with Israel as a nation is to reestablish an old covenant or begin a new one.
Do you realize that the covenant with Abraham and the Mosaic covenant are utterly distinct and discrete from one anther?
And the Abrahamic is eternal, the Mosaic temporary? The Mosaic covenant is done an over.

What is wrong with everybody around here? Biblically illiteracy abounds.
 

ZNP

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Secondly, yeah as more time goes by, the closer we get to Christ's return... I get that. But the constant alarmist reaction of "the end is nigh!" reminds me of Fred Sanford faking his heart attacks... "I'm comin' Elizabeth!"

Too much drama for me...
You mean Redd Fox? Didn't he die from a heart attack while on the set? I guess you believe in coincidences then.
 

iamsoandso

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So you believe all of Revelation is fulfilled? Or only parts? Who are the two witnesses?

And not only the two witnesses but if the beast is the Roman Empire like stated in #3852 then what mark,image ect. was fulfilled prior to AD70 fulfilling Rev,13 and why was Rome not destroyed and cast into the lake of fire like it says in Rev, 19 ?
 

cv5

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The law says so, not you.
Yes, Hamas is breaking all codified laws regarding terrorism and every sort of war crime.

Israel is not by any means completely innocent either. Just like the allies during WW2 or the USA during Iraq.
 

ZNP

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They are described as being “drunk with the blood of the saints" and they commit spiritual adultery.

How the faithful city has become a whore, she who was full of justice!​
Isaiah 1:21​
The beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.​
Revelation 17:16-17​
The beast is the Roman Empire.
Truth is not slander.
So no Bible reference at all saying that Jerusalem is the whore of Babylon?
 

Ted01

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You mean Redd Fox? Didn't he die from a heart attack while on the set? I guess you believe in coincidences then.
Lol, yeah Redd Fox!
To me, coincidence is a funny thing... generally I view them cautiously, but do concede that two (or more) random acts can be totally unrelated.
I think that Redd Fox's heart-attack occurred on the set of a different show?
 

cv5

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but if the beast is the Roman Empire like stated in #3852 then what mark,image ect. was fulfilled prior to AD70
No. Just no.
There have NEVER been ten kings/kingdoms, a dragon-beast satan-man reigning over them, and a "ONE HOUR" destruction of the ENTIRE Babylonish false religion/economic scenario in all of world history.....!

Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Rev 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Rev 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.
 

ZNP

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You mean Redd Fox? Didn't he die from a heart attack while on the set? I guess you believe in coincidences then.
Lol, yeah Redd Fox!
To me, coincidence is a funny thing... generally I view them cautiously, but do concede that two (or more) random acts can be totally unrelated.
I think that Redd Fox's heart-attack occurred on the set of a different show?
Redd Fox began using that line about a heart attack in 1972, he then died this way in 1991, 19 years later. There are a number of interesting Biblical examples of how a warning is given by God to repent and if you don't 19 years later it is carried out. Jonathan Cahn discusses this in his book "The Harbinger", but a modern example would be 9/11 in 2001 being a warning to the US and then 19 years later in September of 2020 the world begins to shut down due to the pandemic, the start of WW3 and when the US will be removed as a Superpower.
 

Cameron143

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Do you realize that the covenant with Abraham and the Mosaic covenant are utterly distinct and discrete from one anther?
And the Abrahamic is eternal, the Mosaic temporary? The Mosaic covenant is done an over.

What is wrong with everybody around here? Biblically illiteracy abounds.
All the promises of God are in Him yea,and in Him, amen.
Abraham rejoiced to see my day.
 

cv5

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They are described as being “drunk with the blood of the saints" and they commit spiritual adultery.

How the faithful city has become a whore, she who was full of justice!​
Isaiah 1:21​
The beast will hate the prostitute. They will make her desolate and naked and devour her flesh and burn her up with fire, for God has put it into their hearts to carry out His purpose by being of one mind and handing over their royal power to the beast, until the words of God are fulfilled.​
Revelation 17:16-17​
The beast is the Roman Empire.
Truth is not slander.
No. The dragon-beast is the Satan-man the AC.
Who, after he is killed by the three kings (who behead him (just like Goliath a type of the AC) and tear him to pieces), is resurrected....and now seemingly UNKILLABLE. Witnessed by the entire world.

AND THEN the ten kings submit to him as all-powerful and un-defeatable. So powerful and un-defeatable that they think that he and his demon armies can challenge Jesus Christ Himself.

You have NO REALISTIC GRASP of Biblical prophecy. That much is a fact.
 

cv5

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All the promises of God are in Him yea,and in Him, amen.
Abraham rejoiced to see my day.
Look man, do you actually ever even OPEN your Bible to verify anything?

I am absolutely right about this.
 

iamsoandso

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No. Just no.
There have NEVER been ten kings/kingdoms, a dragon-beast satan-man reigning over them, and a "ONE HOUR" destruction of the ENTIRE Babylonish false religion/economic scenario in all of world history.....!

Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Rev 18:10
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Rev 18:17
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought. And every shipmaster, and all the company in ships, and sailors, and as many as trade by sea, stood afar off,

Rev 18:19
And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas, that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

That's the point I'm making in that in Scripture the beast is destroyed,removed,cast into the lake of fire(no more existing) but full preterism has it winning Armageddon in ad70 and existing until about 1500ad(in Scripture the beast looses the war at Jesus 2nd coming)...
 

cv5

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That's the point I'm making in that in Scripture the beast is destroyed,removed,cast into the lake of fire(no more existing) but full preterism has it winning Armageddon in ad70 and existing until about 1500ad(in Scripture the beast looses the war at Jesus 2nd coming)...
Preterism is utter rubbish and nonsense. Only an idiot would believe such drivel.
Same goes for amillennialism.
 

HeIsHere

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Yes, Hamas is breaking all codified laws regarding terrorism and every sort of war crime.

Israel is not by any means completely innocent either. Just like the allies during WW2 or the USA during Iraq.
Well at least we are somewhat in agreement.

However, it is because of the atrocities on WW II and other atrocities that we have International Law against ethnic cleansing and genocide.
 

cv5

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No. The dragon-beast is the Satan-man the AC.
Who, after he is killed by the three kings (who behead him (just like Goliath a type of the AC) and tear him to pieces), is resurrected....and now seemingly UNKILLABLE. Witnessed by the entire world.

AND THEN the ten kings submit to him as all-powerful and un-defeatable. So powerful and un-defeatable that they think that he and his demon armies can challenge Jesus Christ Himself.

You have NO REALISTIC GRASP of Biblical prophecy. That much is a fact.
Rev 17:12
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.
Rev 17:13
These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.
 

cv5

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Well at least we are somewhat in agreement.

However, it is because of the atrocities on WW II and other atrocities that we have International Law against ethnic cleansing and genocide.
Look....if you do not like war crimes, you had better pray to be raptured. Because....

Rev 13:3
And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
Rev 13:4
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
Rev 13:5
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Rev 13:6
And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
Rev 13:7
And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.