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That bit about "obsessing" is merely your assumption. No one is obsessing over the end times. But a part of service to Christ is also to present Bible truth to others. And as someone else has pointed out the end times also mean that the Second Coming of Christ is drawing very near as is the Resurrection/Rapture of the Church. And those are huge events for the saved as well as the lost.
It is a conditional statement, it refers to those to whom it is true. If it is not true for you , disregard it.
 
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Thank you for much information. I have not and do not say to disregard anything. Read my post carefully. There are no demands. I have studied eschatology possibly longer than some have been alive on this site. I can tell that your post has sincere motive behind it and thank you for your care
So I went and checked. I began studies in eschatology in 1985. I still study today. However, I have no confidence in, nor do I offer any earthly credentials . I offer the holy sprits' guidance and love and hope for all.
‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭

But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.



People who obsess over, argue about, worry about, predict about, over study and over value the end times described in the bible might want to drop these things and spend more time in service to our Christ.

Some will say of Daniel 12:9, but it is appropriate because these are the end times. Christ may not return in our lifetimes and then what will come of your obsession? You may end up standing before our Lord, explaining why you wasted so much time on something that did not happen in your lifetime. (Daniel 12:13).

Let us all get to work for our Christ as bondservants, not as unprofitable servants.
So, I went and checked. I began studies in eschatology in 1985. I still study today. However, I have no confidence in, nor do I offer any earthly credentials . I offer the holy sprits' guidance and love and hope for all.
 
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Isn't the book of Revelation the only book of the Bible the promises blessing to those who read aloud and hear it's content? "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near." (Rev 1:3) And are we not commanded over and again to watch "“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Mat 24:42) The body of Messiah is filled with different people with different kinds of gifting, but you see worship leaders think that everyone should be worship leaders, Evangelists who think everyone should be an evangelist, Bible teachers who think everyone should be a Bible teacher - you get the idea. I think we need to embrace our diverse gifts and celebrate every member of the ecclesia. It's some people's appointment by the spirit of God to learn and teach escatology!
 
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Isn't the book of Revelation the only book of the Bible the promises blessing to those who read aloud and hear it's content? "Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear it and take to heart what is written in it, because the time is near." (Rev 1:3) And are we not commanded over and again to watch "“Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come." (Mat 24:42) The body of Messiah is filled with different people with different kinds of gifting, but you see worship leaders think that everyone should be worship leaders, Evangelists who think everyone should be an evangelist, Bible teachers who think everyone should be a Bible teacher - you get the idea. I think we need to embrace our diverse gifts and celebrate every member of the ecclesia. It's some people's appointment by the spirit of God to learn and teach escatology!
As I posted before, I began studying eschatology in 1985. I still study and teach. I do not and have not instructed people not to do anything. Read my post carefully. Not with bias.
 
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As I posted before, I began studying eschatology in 1985. I still study and teach. I do not and have not instructed people not to do anything. Read my post carefully. Not with bias.
My post addresses extreme behavior, not a healthy respect for and watching and waiting for our Christ.
 

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‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭

But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.



People who obsess over, argue about, worry about, predict about, over study and over value the end times described in the bible might want to drop these things and spend more time in service to our Christ.

Some will say of Daniel 12:9, but it is appropriate because these are the end times. Christ may not return in our lifetimes and then what will come of your obsession? You may end up standing before our Lord, explaining why you wasted so much time on something that did not happen in your lifetime. (Daniel 12:13).

Let us all get to work for our Christ as bondservants, not as unprofitable servants.
Jud 1:22 And of some have compassion, making a difference:
Jud 1:23 And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

We should all preach the Gospel to people but sometimes that does not work.

Saying God loves you, and Jesus loves does not work for some people.

Prophesy relates to them that the word of God is true in which He told us everything that would happen today, so when we tell people about it and it comes to pass they might be curious about the word of God, and hopefully be saved.

Isa 41:21 Produce your cause, saith the LORD; bring forth your strong reasons, saith the King of Jacob.
Isa 41:22 Let them bring them forth, and shew us what shall happen: let them shew the former things, what they be, that we may consider them, and know the latter end of them; or declare us things for to come.
Isa 41:23 Shew the things that are to come hereafter, that we may know that ye are gods: yea, do good, or do evil, that we may be dismayed, and behold it together.
Isa 41:24 Behold, ye are of nothing, and your work of nought: an abomination is he that chooseth you.
Isa 41:26 Who hath declared from the beginning, that we may know? and beforetime, that we may say, He is righteous? yea, there is none that sheweth, yea, there is none that declareth, yea, there is none that heareth your words.
Isa 41:28 For I beheld, and there was no man; even among them, and there was no counsellor, that, when I asked of them, could answer a word.
Isa 41:29 Behold, they are all vanity; their works are nothing: their molten images are wind and confusion.

God identifies Himself as the one true God by showing the end from the beginning, and said no other religion or person will be able to do that.

Which He showed us the whole history of mankind.

He told us what is going on today which can be a good witnessing tool to reach people for they might believe when they see it come to pass.

God warns the saints of the new age movement which they interpret the Bible according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and Jesus evolved to be an ascended master, and there is no personal God, and the New Age Christ is the final teacher, and above Jesus, and they are of the same format.

The Bible says the time will come people will not want to hear the truth of the Bible but hear it according to their own lusts the new age movement.

They will come out at the latter times which is the last days of the last days.

Their beliefs are of seducing spirits and doctrines of devils which they follow Lucifer believing he is a god, and an alien, that gave mankind intelligence, and will help mankind to have peace, advance, and evolve along with the New Age Christ.

Which they talk about the return of the gods who they say are aliens.

Their conscious will be seared with a hot iron which they will go against all people who oppose them which the New Age Christ by peace shall destroy many.

Their beliefs are fables, make believe.

Science says humans are not of the Earth, and the world needs to prepare for an alien encounter.

The United Nations supports new age organizations.

The New Age Christ will negotiate peace in the Middle East which will result in a peace treaty stopping Israel and the Arabs fighting which will stop the fighting in the world that side with either Israel or the Arabs.

Pope Francis elected 72% of the Cardinals so they would be in the majority position to elect the new Pope who will go along with the one world government.

The New Age Christ will push for peace in the world, and push the agenda of the new age movement to change the world to that format which he will think to change times and laws.

There will be a one world government, and the world will be divided in to 10 sections with a leader in each section who are in league with the New Age Christ.

The people of the world will want to come together to work for peace on Earth because of the nations being divided spewing out threats, and warnings, and possible nuclear war, as they side with either Israel or Arabs dividing in to 2 big groups siding with one of them.

The people will be ready for a one world government which the peace treaty is a peace treaty that affected the world.

There will be a one world government, and one world religious system which the Pope will be the head of the one world religious system, and the Vatican the headquarters.

They will prepare the cities to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people are the police force of the cities.

Which is United Nations Agenda 21 a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992.

Rev 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
Rev 13:17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
Rev 13:18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

chi xi stigma
khee xee stig'-ma
The 22nd, 14th and an obsolete letter (G4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: - six hundred threescore and six.

stigma
stig'-mah
From a primary word στίζω stizō (to “stick”, that is, prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), that is, (figuratively) scar of service: - mark.

The people will be given a microchip under the skin linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans.

If a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the police force.

All information about the person will be on the chip including finances for it is the one world economic system which no person can buy or sell without that chip.

It is good to know the end times and relate that to people for when they see it happening they might consider the Bible, and check in to it.

Continued,
 

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Continued,

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

This does not mean that we should not concern ourselves with prophesy but it means Daniel could not understand what he was told so he was told to go his way, and do not worry about it.

Daniel had a limited view of his world so he could not understand the things told him that would happen on a world wide scale.

So the book is sealed until the time of the end, and then they will understand it.

Because many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which the saints can see, know, and hear, what is going on around the world, and how it is possible for them to come together to rebel against God because they can communicate with each other, and travel to each other.

Which results in the world coming together which they will embrace the new age movement, and not believe in a personal God, and stop the preaching of the Gospel on a world wide level all nations governments involved with that.

Which they will follow Lucifer believing he is an alien that wants to help mankind, and they will evolve to be spiritual, and a god, along with the New Age Christ.

Which they say is the 5th root race, 6th sub-race, of the evolutionary process of humans, and the next one after that is the 5th root race, 7th sub-race, that will happen in 28,000 years.

When they take the microchip, the mark of the beast, going along with the New Age Christ's system then they will have the nature of a devil, and belong to the devil, and then God will end sin on Earth.

The New Age Christ negotiating peace in the Middle East stopping Israel and the Arabs fighting which will stop the world fighting is not too far away.

And then the world will see what is happening that the saints told them would already happen and hopefully they turn to God.

Many people tell people of a one world government, and a one world religious system, and the antichrist, but not too many tell people that it is the new age movement that is behind it which would give them a better perspective on understanding, and they would know more better.

And that is because the new age movement is subtle having some web sites, and books in book stores, but they are not pushing their agenda loudly, so many Christians do not detect that they have that much influence.

They are waiting for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace and there being a peace treaty then he will push the agenda of the new age movement loudly for the world will look at him as a great man of peace, and the 10 leaders will promote him and push the new age movement, and he will become the biggest player on the world scene.

But the new age movement is influencing greatly with them having a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement to get the people away from the 1950's attitude.

Which caused the behavior in society to affect those in the future to accept the Woke movement.

Which will cause the behavior in society to accept the new age movement, and then the New Age Christ.

They also had a hand in the feminist movement to get them to start exalting themselves more.

They had a hand in the transgender scene where they can be the opposite gender, both genders, no gender, and any pronoun they want to be to create the mindset they can be whatever they want to be so they can convince them they are evolving to be spiritual, and a god.

Marilyn Ferguson wrote a book called The Aquarian Conspiracy on how to change America to reflect the new age movement which she said to change children's education.

So they influence the children with the LGBTQ community, transgender, for population reduction, and to try to cause them to be accepting of the Woke movement, and so they would be immoral, and want their own way, and do not believe in a personal God.

The Woke movement is the new counter culture movement, and then the new age movement.

American Girl Doll Company has a book about becoming a transgender and taking puberty blockers until they decide what they want.

The new age movement is influencing greatly but they will not shout it loudly but be subtle waiting on the New Age Christ to say it loudly.
 
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Continued,

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

This does not mean that we should not concern ourselves with prophesy but it means Daniel could not understand what he was told so he was told to go his way, and do not worry about it.

Daniel had a limited view of his world so he could not understand the things told him that would happen on a world wide scale.

So the book is sealed until the time of the end, and then they will understand it.

Because many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which the saints can see, know, and hear, what is going on around the world, and how it is possible for them to come together to rebel against God because they can communicate with each other, and travel to each other.

Which results in the world coming together which they will embrace the new age movement, and not believe in a personal God, and stop the preaching of the Gospel on a world wide level all nations governments involved with that.

Which they will follow Lucifer believing he is an alien that wants to help mankind, and they will evolve to be spiritual, and a god, along with the New Age Christ.

Which they say is the 5th root race, 6th sub-race, of the evolutionary process of humans, and the next one after that is the 5th root race, 7th sub-race, that will happen in 28,000 years.

When they take the microchip, the mark of the beast, going along with the New Age Christ's system then they will have the nature of a devil, and belong to the devil, and then God will end sin on Earth.

The New Age Christ negotiating peace in the Middle East stopping Israel and the Arabs fighting which will stop the world fighting is not too far away.

And then the world will see what is happening that the saints told them would already happen and hopefully they turn to God.

Many people tell people of a one world government, and a one world religious system, and the antichrist, but not too many tell people that it is the new age movement that is behind it which would give them a better perspective on understanding, and they would know more better.

And that is because the new age movement is subtle having some web sites, and books in book stores, but they are not pushing their agenda loudly, so many Christians do not detect that they have that much influence.

They are waiting for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace and there being a peace treaty then he will push the agenda of the new age movement loudly for the world will look at him as a great man of peace, and the 10 leaders will promote him and push the new age movement, and he will become the biggest player on the world scene.

But the new age movement is influencing greatly with them having a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement to get the people away from the 1950's attitude.

Which caused the behavior in society to affect those in the future to accept the Woke movement.

Which will cause the behavior in society to accept the new age movement, and then the New Age Christ.

They also had a hand in the feminist movement to get them to start exalting themselves more.

They had a hand in the transgender scene where they can be the opposite gender, both genders, no gender, and any pronoun they want to be to create the mindset they can be whatever they want to be so they can convince them they are evolving to be spiritual, and a god.

Marilyn Ferguson wrote a book called The Aquarian Conspiracy on how to change America to reflect the new age movement which she said to change children's education.

So they influence the children with the LGBTQ community, transgender, for population reduction, and to try to cause them to be accepting of the Woke movement, and so they would be immoral, and want their own way, and do not believe in a personal God.

The Woke movement is the new counter culture movement, and then the new age movement.

American Girl Doll Company has a book about becoming a transgender and taking puberty blockers until they decide what they want.

The new age movement is influencing greatly but they will not shout it loudly but be subtle waiting on the New Age Christ to say it loudly.
As I have posted before. I began eschatology studies in 1985. I still study and teach. My thread deals with extreme behavior, not with a responsible knowledge and watching for our savior.
 
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Continued,

Dan 12:4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.
Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things?
Dan 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

This does not mean that we should not concern ourselves with prophesy but it means Daniel could not understand what he was told so he was told to go his way, and do not worry about it.

Daniel had a limited view of his world so he could not understand the things told him that would happen on a world wide scale.

So the book is sealed until the time of the end, and then they will understand it.

Because many shall run to and fro, advanced travel, and knowledge shall be increased, advanced technology, which the saints can see, know, and hear, what is going on around the world, and how it is possible for them to come together to rebel against God because they can communicate with each other, and travel to each other.

Which results in the world coming together which they will embrace the new age movement, and not believe in a personal God, and stop the preaching of the Gospel on a world wide level all nations governments involved with that.

Which they will follow Lucifer believing he is an alien that wants to help mankind, and they will evolve to be spiritual, and a god, along with the New Age Christ.

Which they say is the 5th root race, 6th sub-race, of the evolutionary process of humans, and the next one after that is the 5th root race, 7th sub-race, that will happen in 28,000 years.

When they take the microchip, the mark of the beast, going along with the New Age Christ's system then they will have the nature of a devil, and belong to the devil, and then God will end sin on Earth.

The New Age Christ negotiating peace in the Middle East stopping Israel and the Arabs fighting which will stop the world fighting is not too far away.

And then the world will see what is happening that the saints told them would already happen and hopefully they turn to God.

Many people tell people of a one world government, and a one world religious system, and the antichrist, but not too many tell people that it is the new age movement that is behind it which would give them a better perspective on understanding, and they would know more better.

And that is because the new age movement is subtle having some web sites, and books in book stores, but they are not pushing their agenda loudly, so many Christians do not detect that they have that much influence.

They are waiting for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace and there being a peace treaty then he will push the agenda of the new age movement loudly for the world will look at him as a great man of peace, and the 10 leaders will promote him and push the new age movement, and he will become the biggest player on the world scene.

But the new age movement is influencing greatly with them having a hand in the 1960's counter culture movement to get the people away from the 1950's attitude.

Which caused the behavior in society to affect those in the future to accept the Woke movement.

Which will cause the behavior in society to accept the new age movement, and then the New Age Christ.

They also had a hand in the feminist movement to get them to start exalting themselves more.

They had a hand in the transgender scene where they can be the opposite gender, both genders, no gender, and any pronoun they want to be to create the mindset they can be whatever they want to be so they can convince them they are evolving to be spiritual, and a god.

Marilyn Ferguson wrote a book called The Aquarian Conspiracy on how to change America to reflect the new age movement which she said to change children's education.

So they influence the children with the LGBTQ community, transgender, for population reduction, and to try to cause them to be accepting of the Woke movement, and so they would be immoral, and want their own way, and do not believe in a personal God.

The Woke movement is the new counter culture movement, and then the new age movement.

American Girl Doll Company has a book about becoming a transgender and taking puberty blockers until they decide what they want.

The new age movement is influencing greatly but they will not shout it loudly but be subtle waiting on the New Age Christ to say it loudly.
Also, I respectfully pray that you will reconsider the power of love and whether it "works".

1 Corinthians 13:1,3,7
[1]If I could speak all the languages of earth and of angels, but didn’t love others, I would only be a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal.
[3]If I gave everything I have to the poor and even sacrificed my body, I could boast about it; but if I didn’t love others, I would have gained nothing.
[7]Love never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.
Blessings to you
 

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As I have posted before. I began eschatology studies in 1985. I still study and teach. My thread deals with extreme behavior, not with a responsible knowledge and watching for our savior.
What constitutes extreme behavior?
 
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What constitutes extreme behavior?
I listed some things on the thread. It is up to each person to decide whether they are behaving in extreme ways. My post is an effort to help others free themselves from obsession. A subject you have already challenged.
 
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I listed some things on the thread. It is up to each person to decide whether they are behaving in extreme ways. My post is an effort to help others free themselves from obsession. A subject you have already challenged.
Luke 10:29
The man wanted to justify his actions, so he asked Jesus, “And who is my neighbor?”
 

selahsays

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I listed some things on the thread. It is up to each person to decide whether they are behaving in extreme ways. My post is an effort to help others free themselves from obsession. A subject you have already challenged.
Why do you believe evangelism and eschatology are distinct from one another?
 

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‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:9‬ ‭

And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.


‭‭Daniel‬ ‭12:13‬ ‭

But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.



People who obsess over, argue about, worry about, predict about, over study and over value the end times described in the bible might want to drop these things and spend more time in service to our Christ.

Some will say of Daniel 12:9, but it is appropriate because these are the end times. Christ may not return in our lifetimes and then what will come of your obsession? You may end up standing before our Lord, explaining why you wasted so much time on something that did not happen in your lifetime. (Daniel 12:13).

Let us all get to work for our Christ as bondservants, not as unprofitable servants.
Hey.. no clue who your talking to. There are countless believers talking about, studying, debating end times yet not worrying nor arguing not obsessed with :). There were prophecies about Israel when there was no nation. It was written she would become a nation in a day... we saw that. We witness that blooming. We witness almost every nation hating her. We witness all not some but all of the birth pains happening at once. So there is no other generation before us that witnessed all this. Some are watching ready for the master to come back others are going on with life not watching saying wheres the sign of his coming.. things keep going on as they always have always will.
 
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Hey.. no clue who your talking to. There are countless believers talking about, studying, debating end times yet not worrying nor arguing not obsessed with :). There were prophecies about Israel when there was no nation. It was written she would become a nation in a day... we saw that. We witness that blooming. We witness almost every nation hating her. We witness all not some but all of the birth pains happening at once. So there is no other generation before us that witnessed all this. Some are watching ready for the master to come back others are going on with life not watching saying wheres the sign of his coming.. things keep going on as they always have always will.
For all those you are talking about that don't obsess, this thread is not for them. I'm glad to have them as family.
Blessings to you.
 

selahsays

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I don't, you are reading that into my thread.
You are not being honest regarding your intentions in what you have already posted.

Do you know that, according to Jesus, the world will not end until the gospel has been proclaimed as a witness to all peoples? In Matthew 28:18–20, Jesus gives the congregation a clear command: to carry out his prophecy that the gospel will be preached everywhere.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

- Matthew 28:18-20
 
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For all those you are talking about that don't obsess, this thread is not for them. I'm glad to have them as family.
Blessings to you.
You are not being honest regarding your intentions in what you have already posted.

Do you know that, according to Jesus, the world will not end until the gospel has been proclaimed as a witness to all peoples? In Matthew 28:18–20, Jesus gives the congregation a clear command: to carry out his prophecy that the gospel will be preached everywhere.

And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, "All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, "teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

- Matthew 28:18-20
I have tried to be patient with you and your trolling. I pray God's blessings on you, however, I don't care to communicate with you at this time.
 

selahsays

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For all those you are talking about that don't obsess, this thread is not for them. I'm glad to have them as family.
Blessings to you.
No one here obsesses, IMO, we study and we watch. When do you think the gospel will be preached throughout the whole world? Do you know? Why are the 4 winds told not to blow?