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Everlasting-Grace said:
For it is by GRACE (THE CROSS) That we HAVE BEEN SAVED through faith. and not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast.

Titus 3: 5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy (THE CROSS) He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

God made it a condition. The law showed it is a condition. Without the shedding of blood, there is no forgiveness.
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NO NO, those Verse plainly say the ACT of the CROSS is GRACE and MERCY, not some condition beyond that!

you really do make it up as you go.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I am not making excuses for anything my friend.

But you seem to be making excuses for why you want to be under law not grace..
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it's IMPOSSIBLE to be under the LAW by following Jesus!

the only way you can FOLLOW the LAW is by Following your personal beliefs over the literal Words of Jesus.

you are always FOLLOWING some kind of a LAW!!

whether it is your own personal belief, a Doctrine, or the literal Words of God.
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those are LAWS, and we all choose 1 of them to Follow no matter what.
it's impossible to not Follow a LAW.
even to be a committed SINNER is still following a LAW.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
NO NO, those Verse plainly say the ACT of the CROSS is GRACE and MERCY, not some condition beyond that!

you really do make it up as you go.
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It is THE ACT OF THE CROSS WHICH SAVED US.

Not some condition beyond that.

why do you reject the written word of God so much.

it is by GRACE (THE CROSS) That we HAVE BEEN SAVED

according to His mercy (THE CROSS) He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

why do you ignore the words. HAVE BEEN SAVED??
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
it's IMPOSSIBLE to be under the LAW by following Jesus!
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well if your not saved. you are under law.. Many follow Jesus yet never were saved.

the only way you can FOLLOW the LAW is by Following your personal beliefs over the literal Words of Jesus.

you are always FOLLOWING a LAW!!

whether it is your own belief, a Doctrine, or the literal Words of God.
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The law says cursed is the one who does not obey every word.

It condemned those who do one sin!!
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
It is THE ACT OF THE CROSS WHICH SAVED US.

Not some condition beyond that.

why do you reject the written word of God so much.

it is by GRACE (THE CROSS) That we HAVE BEEN SAVED

according to His mercy (THE CROSS) He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

why do you ignore the words. HAVE BEEN SAVED??
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because they say the CROSS is GRACE and MERCY and nothing else
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
well if your not saved. you are under law.. Many follow Jesus yet never were saved.


The law says cursed is the one who does not obey every word.

It condemned those who do one sin!!
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then be CURSED, because, you are following your own interpretation like it is the LAW!

you would not be here discussing this if you thought YOUR PERSONAL LAW was incorrect.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
because they say the CROSS is GRACE and MERCY and nothing else
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so even though it is there in black and white. You say it does nto say HAVE BEEN SAVED?

Dude. I can not deal with someone who willingly ignored the word of God and says words are not there
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
then be CURSED, because, you are following your own interpretation like it is the LAW!

you would not be here discussing this if you thought YOUR PERSONAL LAW was incorrect.
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God said I will never die. I will live forever. I have passed from judgment to life, and I am sealed by the spirit

I trust him. Not you, who says God lied.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
so even though it is there in black and white. You say it does nto say HAVE BEEN SAVED?

Dude. I can not deal with someone who willingly ignored the word of God and says words are not there
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read your words CAREFULLY:

according to His mercy (THE CROSS) He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit

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this is a PAST TENSE meaning. meaning, this happened at the Cross.
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
I repented before I was saved.

I did not change my mind after I was saved and think a sin is no longer s sin. and have to re-repent again of somethign I already repented of.
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why did Jesus say to repent daily, if what you think is true?
 
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Everlasting-Grace said:
God said I will never die. I will live forever. I have passed from judgment to life, and I am sealed by the spirit

I trust him. Not you, who says God lied.
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God also said to Repent Daily.

whatever Jesus said, they are all connected.
but you are disconnecting them for your own personal belief.
because, you've made your personal belief the LAW you live by.
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
read your words CAREFULLY:

according to His mercy (THE CROSS) He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit

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this is a PAST TENSE meaning. meaning, this happened at the Cross.
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Well if he saved us at the cross. how can salvation ever be lost?

Keep trying my friend..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
God also said to Repent Daily.

whatever Jesus said, they are all connected.
but you are disconnecting them for your own personal belief.
because, you've made your personal belief the LAW you live by.
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Jesus did not say I will not die unless I repent daily

He said I will never die..
 
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The_Watchers_2017 said:
God also said to Repent Daily.
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You keep making this point and I remember you giving the example of Jesus' prayer, "Our Father," when He was asked to show them how to pray and assume this is where you've formed your opinion that we must repent daily and supposed because of the mention of "daily bread." You've also frequently referenced the forgiveness portion of Jesus' example of prayer, which is written, "forgive our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." Do you consider our sin to be our debt?
or have you derived this from Jesus' extrapolation afterwards in Matt 6:14 saying, "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your Heavenly Father will also forgive you."?
 
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