The Security Of The Believer

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Initial Salvation?

Right, like Ephesians 2:8-9.

Ephesians 2:1 says you have been quickened (or made alive). This obviously happened one time when we first accepted the gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, and we sought forgiveness with the Lord Jesus according to Romans 10:9, and Romans 10:13. We gain access to God’s grace through faith (Romans 5:2).

I'm sure what you mean by this is when one is initially saved, but one is either saved or lost (not saved).

A person who believes the gospel message and receives Christ as their Savior when they have only a few minutes to live will be saved.
So in some cases, a person can be saved solely by God’s grace through faith without works.
Even babies who die are not even saved by faith. They are saved solely by God’s grace (Which is provided by what Jesus did for us with His death, burial, and resurrection).
But if a believer (who has accepted God’s grace) lives out their faith, they then need to enter into the action described in 2 Thessalonians 2:13. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 says God has chosen you to salvation through Sanctification of the Spirit and a belief of the truth. Romans 8:13, and Galatians 6:8-9 also teach the same truth that you need to live a holy life by the Spirit in order to reap everlasting life. Of course many in your camp will either ignore these verses or they have some odd ball interpretation on them. But you are free to try and explain these verses from your belief if you can.

It is a state of being. That one has "everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life." (John 5:24)

Well, you are not quoting the entire verse that has the conditions in it.
I am sure you have read this verse a ton of times and never seen it.

Lets read the full version of this verse.

John 5:24
”Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.”

So the conditions for you to have everlasting life, and to not come into condemnation and to pass from death unto life is….

#1. Hear or obey God’s Word (i.e., heareth my word)​

(Note: A similar phrase of hearing or obeying God’s Word is used by Jesus in John 8:47).​

#2 Believe on him (the Father) that sent Jesus.​

So we have to be meeting these two conditions. Meaning, if you are not obeying God’s Word you do not have eternal life.
This is also expressed in 1 John 2:4. The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commandments is a liar and the truth is not in them.

And if one possesses eternal life, he cannot pass from life back unto death (or the life he has is not eternal). It is a permanently finished transaction.

1 John 5:12, "He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life."

No Bible verse actually says that if one possesses eternal life it is a permanently finished transaction.
Actually there are tons of Scripture verses that would negate that teaching in several different categories.
I will supply these different verse lists at another time when I have more time.

Jesus alone possesses immorality. (1 Timothy 6:16).
So you have to abide in Christ in order to obtain eternal life because He is the source of life.
Jesus says I am the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).
You cannot have eternal life without Jesus.
The way we know Jesus is if we find we are keeping His commands (1 John 2:3).

The context of the second chapter of James is not salvation. The man's justifcation in verse 24 is not of his soul, but his standing before God and his testimony before the world.

This is simply not true at all.

There are no chapter breaks in the original manuscripts. James 1 sets the stage of discussion for James 2.

James 1:21-22 says:

21 “Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.​

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.“​

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James is warning those who are wrongfully having respect of persons by saying that they need to receive the engrafted Word which is able to save their souls. This is further backed up by the fact that James 2:17 says faith without works is dead. A dead faith cannot save anyone. Plus, if you were to read James 2:24 again, it ties in works and faith in with the word ”justified.” You may try to do the fancy dance and say that “justified” in James 2:24 is in reference to being justified before men, but this same word ”justified’ is used for faith in the same verse, too. James says You see how a man is justified by works and not by faith alone (James 2:24). Meaning, you are not going to argue against justification by faith is a part of salvation (which is taught in Romans 5:1). Yet, James is saying we are not justified by faith alone.

Abraham was a saved man already (as pointed out in verse 23 which explains how he was saved by faith) and he was not offering Isaac up for his own soul's salvation. He was being obedient to the God Who had already saved his soul, so that his faith was made perfect (v.22), meaning complete or mature. He showed his faith by his works.

No. Romans 5:2 says faith is how we gain access to God’s grace. James says Abraham was justified by works by offering Isaac upon the alter. Then if you were to read Hebrews 11, it then says…. BY FAITH Abraham offered up Isaac upon the alter. Same thing. Abraham’s works in offering Isaac upon the alter was just another way of saying… FAITH. Plus, nobody was around to witness Abraham offer Isaac upon the alter. So he was not being justified by works before men because no other people were present to witness the event.

 

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What gave you the idea that I thought that you did?

Because you were making statements that contradicted the Bible.

 

[Mem]

Because you were making statements that contradicted the Bible.

correction; I made statements that contradicted your reading comprehension.

 

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correction; I made statements that contradicted your reading comprehension.

Correction. The burden of proof is on you to show how this is even so with Scripture.

 

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Correction. The burden of proof is on you to show how this is even so with Scripture.

To be doers of the word is to believe the gospel, that is, do believe the gospel. Abraham did believe and proved it by obeying God as far as with every intent to drive a knife through his son's heart, or his throat or other, because he believed God could raise him up again. And yet, God prevented Abraham from 'completely obeying' what He had commanded so then, was it actually God's will that Abraham actually do that?

 

[Evmur]

First, you did not address any of the verses I posted that refutes your wrong way of thinking.
Second, it would be more fruitful to our conversation to actually show me Scriptures of what your view of salvation and the new birth actually is.



You have no authority if you are not speaking in line with the faith of the Bible.
So far that I have seen, you have failed to explain many verses I have put forth to you that refutes your wrong belief.



The thing is that you really dont’ know the proper biblical test to check if a believer has Christ in them or not.
Granted, this does not even matter to many who hold to Perpetual Belief Alone Salvationism.
Many who believe in this type of belief have told me that you can be out of fellowship with Christ and still be saved.

Anyway, the way we know that Christ is in us is if we find we are keeping His commandments.

1 John 2:3
”And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.”

The person who says they know the Lord and yet they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them.

1 John 2:4
”He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”

Abiding in Christ is a salvation issue because that is what 1 John 5:12 says.

1 John 5:12
”He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.”

As for a believer in their struggle to overcome sin:

We are told this….

“…let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.” (2 Corinthians 7:1).

This verse above is just one of many verses in Scripture you don’t believe. You don’t believe in perfecting holiness because most in your camp believe you will be enslaved to sin this side of Heaven. You also change the word ”fear” in relation to God, as well. Fear does not mean fear to you but respect. But Philippians 2:12 says work out your salvation with fear and trembling. Obviously somebody trembles because they are in fear or they are afraid.

But I DO believe in holiness unto the Lord and there is a way to attain it and a way which militates against it and makes it impossible to attain.

You have chosen the way that militates against holiness.

2 Corinthians 7.1. begins
Since we have these promises beloved ...
...let us therefore cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit and make holiness perfect in the Lord

"beloved .." is that how you think of yourself? since we have these promises, what promises? you say commandments God says promises. What promises? receiving God's promises are the key to keeping His commands.

Yes I have the right to question you about your status, you've come preaching doctrines and how we all gotta live. Did God appoint you for that?

And you are preaching something you yourself have not attained. You still sin yet you beating on us.

Since we have these promises, God has promised us the free gift of eternal life if'n we believe. But YOU say it is neither a free gift nor is it eternal.

This gift you say must be earned and it comes and goes like the morning dew. Until you KNOW that you are saved and it is forever and ever you will never have the inner strength or faith to live it.

oops you sin and you think God is going to whack you, you think He may abandon you to the devil again. How can you fight the devil? he may yet have you back in his clutches.

You are being double minded, saved/unsaved, saved/unsaved, now in the light now in darkness God wants you to come BOLDLY to His throne of grace in full assurance of faith to find help in time of need.

That's the way to attain to holiness.

 

[Evmur]

While the Jewish nation was not perfect, and they slipped up many times, the Jewish nation were God’s chosen people that were in acceptance of God‘s existence, and they were the guardians of the Holy Scriptures.
Jesus is preaching from a standpoint of the true faith He wanted them to have as believers and not as unbelievers.
Only Gentiles were dogs and unbelievers. Jesus did not come first for the Gentiles yet and the Gentiles were unbelievers.
But God knew that salvation would later go out to the Gentiles and therefore, our Lord’s teachings before the cross would be applicable to the Gentiles, as well. Meaning, Jesus desires all men to come to have faith in Him for salvation, and to follow the Father’s teachings.

Also think about the words of Jesus on the Sermon on the Mount. An unbeliever or unregnerate Jew can forgive everyone on the planet, but that would not save them. They need to first accept Jesus Christ or their Messiah or Savior first in order to be Iniitally Saved. Yet, Jesus said if you do not forgive, you will not be forgiven by the Father (Matthew 6:15). So Jesus is talking to those who already have faith in Him. He is not talking to unbelievers or unregenerate Jews because it would do them no good to apply the principles He was teaching at the Sermon on the Mount (or other times) if they rejected Him as their Messiah. In other words, God’s teachings relayed by Jesus go hand in hand with accepting Him as the Messiah.

To put it to you another way, you do not believe the words of Jesus in Matthew 5:28-30, Matthew 6:15, Matthew 12:37, Matthew 25:31-46, Luke 9:62, Luke 10:25-28, etcetera. Why? Because you and most of Christianity teach against His words in His warning against how sin can condemn or destroy our souls in the afterlife. Jesus agreed with the lawyer that to love God and to love your neighbor was a part of inheriting eternal life (Luke 10:25-28). In Luke 10: Jesus did not correct the lawyer and say, “Wrong lawyer! Just believe on the finished work of the cross!” Yes, we need to first be saved by God’s grace through faith, which is a process of salvation that is without works. That is how salvation starts. But salvation is continued Sanctification (Holy living by the Spirit) in 2 Thessalonians 2:13. Also see Romans 8:13, Galatians 6:8-9.



In 1 Timothy 6:3-4 it also talks about the words of Jesus and the doctrine according to godliness.
Your view allows for a person to live in ungodliness and yet still be saved, and therefore it runs contrary to the true faith given to us in the Bible. Jesus said that even looking upon a woman in lust will cause us to be cast bodily into hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30). This applies to me, you and everyone on the planet. But like I said, you don’t believe these words by our Lord Jesus.



John 6:37-40 says,

37 "All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.​

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.​

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.​

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."​

First, what does Jesus mean by,

“All that the Father giveth me come to me?”

Well, we have to understand that the Father elects those based on His future foreknowledge of our free will choice concerning Him (1 Peter 1:2) (Deuteronomy 30:19). Also, we also have to understand that not everyone is going to be saved; However, it is God's will that all people should be saved, though (1 Timothy 2:4) (2 Peter 3:9) (Revelation 22:17). This is why we read in Scripture about how many are called, but few are chosen (Matthew 20:16).

Same meanings since all are given the chance to have life through Jesus. But those who are His have come so willingly in faith, repenting and turning with a sincere heart; forever to the submission of God’s commandments and desires.

Verse 39 implies that it is possible for Jesus to lose some of the flock. If it were not so, He would have said so. But if what you say is true, then Jesus would have said,

"I WILL lose nothing."​

However, that is not what Jesus said. Jesus says,

"I SHOULD lose nothing."​

John 6:39 (KJV) says,

"And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day."

Second, eternal life here is not a guarantee. Jesus says in verse 40

"MAY have everlasting life".​

John 6:40

"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day."​

In other words, Jesus should lose none and all who are His should be raised, because they should all continue in the righteousness God gave them through the sacrifice of Jesus. It’s not that Jesus isn’t capable of keeping up with His sheep; it’s that He never keeps His sheep against their wills. How so?

Well, we see in Scripture that the Father gave all of the disciples to Jesus; However, Jesus kept them all except Judas, though.

John 17:12 says:

"While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled."​

Now, allow me to rephrase this in modern-terminology:

While I was with the marbles in the world, I kept them. Those marbles that you gave me I kept, and none are lost, but the green marble.​

And OSAS terminology:

While I was with the marbles in the world, I kept them. Those marbles that you gave me I kept, and none are lost, except for the green marble that you never gave me.​

Do you see now how OSAS doesn't make any sense?



I take this statement by John the Baptist to mean that it was primarily a reference to the event at Pentecost.
However, it can also be applied to how all believers are baptized spiritually when they accept Jesus Christ as their Savior, and the gospel message in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. Baptism in fire can also be applied to a testing of one’s faith.



Chapter and verse please.



Which was the belief that they could sin and still be saved. They turned God’s grace into lasciviousness or a license to sin.
Read again Jude 1:4. Also see that the MANY believers who thought they were saved were cast out because they also worked sin or iniquity in Matthew 7:22-23, and Matthew 13:41-42.



On this point, we agree. 1 Corinthians 1:17, and 1 Peter 3:21 tell us that baptism is not a salvation issue.

You say all these fine things but you commit atrocities against the brothers, assassinating their characters.

love thy neighbour ... where is your love for the late Charles Stanley?

Evil speaking, judging, gossiping are among the sins God hates most.

Should in 17th century english grammar is the perfect of shall.

 

[Evmur]

What part of being cut off from the vine do you not understand? View attachment 258746

Jesus said He was the vine, the Father is the husbandman (it's HIS Vine!), and we are the branches.

He's saying when a branch does not bare fruit... it is cut off. That means separated from the vine for those of you in Rio Linda!

The way to get back on the vine is to confess and forsake your sin and become in right standing with the Lord once again. One cannot walk after the flesh and be on the vine at the same time as walking after the flesh is to be not abiding in Christ refusing to be led by the Holy Spirit based on God's Word.





Which is why satan has so many false teachers teaching salvation differently then what God's Word teaches... causing people to be led by doctrines of demons instead of by the Holy Spirit

Jesus said the Holy Ghost would lead us in to ALL Truth (John 16:13),
and Jesus said God's Word IS Truth (John 17:17)

Romans 8:14
For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God.





That's funny... there's so many warnings in God's Word that indicate... salvation can actually be lost.

This is WHY the OSAS peoples can only recognize certain passages and must deny, ignore, or otherwise explain away the rest of God's Word is because they cannot accept the whole counsel of God and keep their OSAS position.

The fact of the matter is, Jesus and His Apostles did not actually teach eternal security as we see warning written to believers that clearly tell us loss of salvation is possible and that salvation is conditional to use abiding in Christ.

This is why OSAS peoples don't like what Jesus teaches in John 15 and they have top dancer around this simple truth as to try to explain away what Jesus said.







It actually got started with the false teacher augustine... John Calvin and Martin Luther were both big fans of augustine's false doctrine rather then studying the Bible, they brought the false teachings of augustine in to the "reformation" which was no reformation at all as they FAILED to return to biblical doctrine. Sad, very sad indeed for these "reformers"

You found a scripture that says "salvation can be lost?"

John 15
I am the vine and My Father is the vine dresser, every branch of Mine which bears no fruit He takes away ..."

That is distinct from "if any man does not abide in Me he is cast forth as a branch ... "

You do not abide in Christ, you trust in your own ability to be faithful.

You did not explain how a branch which has been cut off manages to get back onto the vine ...

 

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The Parable of the Talents explains this. One needs to be faithful over a few things in order for the Lord to say to us, “Enter thou into the joy of thy Lord.” The unprofitable servant was told about how they were to be cast into outer darkness where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. So just a belief alone will not save a believer unless they accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior on their death bed, or something.

Lol

Sorry. Your few works will not get you to heaven.

Don;t boast. But put your faith in the work of Christ.

 

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James said if we claim to have faith buy do nto have works out faith is dead.

No faith means no salvation.

But what of those who claim to have faith, but have many works. But there faith is in their works

that is where the works argument fails

works do not prove you had true saving faith.

Says or claims to have faith (but has no works) is the key word in James 2:14 which sets up the context. James is discussing the evidence of faith (says-claims to have faith but has no works/I will show you my faith by my works - James 2:14-18) and not the initial act of being accounted as righteous with God. (Romans 4:2-3)

Apart from authentic faith, all we have is a bad tree producing bad fruit (Matthew 7:17-20) and not a good tree producing good fruit. We see this in Matthew 7:22-23 who even though these many people will say to Jesus on that day, 'Lord, Lord, didn't WE' do many wonderful works etc.. Jesus will say to them, depart from me I never knew you which means they were never saved.

John 17:3 - And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent (which is an intimate, experiential knowledge, found only in a relationship). The term "know" implies intimate, experiential knowledge, through a relationship with Christ and not merely theoretical knowledge.

If these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 were saved, they would have said 'Lord, Lord, didn't YOU' die for our sins and were buried and rise again the third day to provide for us eternal life. We trust in YOU alone Lord as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.

 

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Initial Salvation? I'm sure what you mean by this is when one is initially saved, but one is either saved or lost (not saved).

Initial salvation means we are merely "initially" saved by grace through faith, not works, then after that, we are saved by works at the back door through the process of ongoing sanctification. I call that "type 2 works salvation" which culminates in back loading works into the gospel. (Romans 11:6)

 

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You found a scripture that says "salvation can be lost?"

John 15
I am the vine and My Father is the vine dresser, every branch of Mine which bears no fruit He takes away ..."

That is distinct from "if any man does not abide in Me he is cast forth as a branch ... "

You do not abide in Christ, you trust in your own ability to be faithful.

You did not explain how a branch which has been cut off manages to get back onto the vine ...

agreed totally 😊

 

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To be doers of the word is to believe the gospel,

Actually, the gospel is described for us in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The gospel is simply about believing and not doing. Just reread 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and you will see it is all about a belief and not doing anything.

To be a doer of the Word is to obey the various instructions in God’s Word (i.e., the Bible). This is what we read about. For example: A man who bridleth not his tongue, their religion is in vain (James 1:26). Pure religion and undefiled is to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction (James 1:27). Do not have respect of persons in favoring the rich brethren over any poor brethren (James 2:1-7, which is continued in the use of other word throughout the chapter). These are all things that you do.

that is, do believe the gospel. Abraham did believe and proved it by obeying God as far as with every intent to drive a knife through his son's heart, or his throat or other, because he believed God could raise him up again. And yet, God prevented Abraham from 'completely obeying' what He had commanded so then, was it actually God's will that Abraham actually do that?

The confusion on your part only arises because of the corrupt Modern Translations that have flooded the market.

In Genesis 22:2, “offer him up” (KJB) is changed to: “sacrifice” in Modern Bibles (CEV, ERV, GW, TLB, MSG, NOG, NIV, NLT). God told Abraham to offer up Isaac and not to sacrifice him. So if certain Modern bibles are correct, the dilemma here is that either:

• Abraham did not obey God or:
• God changed His Word.

In other words, Abraham did obey by simply offering up his Son. That was the real instructions. The Modern Versions pervert this truth.

 

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But I DO believe in holiness unto the Lord and there is a way to attain it and a way which militates against it and makes it impossible to attain.

Hebrews 12:14 is not talking about believing on the finished work of the cross. The context of the very verse itself if you ever bothered to read it says that you are to also follow peace with all men as a part of the warning that we will not see the Lord. So you have to follow after holiness and follow peace with all men without which no man shall see the Lord. Following peace with all men is holy conduct or action on our part involving our Sanctification.

You have chosen the way that militates against holiness.

Not at all. I not only believe Romans 3:25 by trusting in the blood, but I also believe the blood of Jesus cleanses us from all sin if we also walk in the light as He is in the light as 1 John 1:7 says. Walking in the light = Loving your brother, which is expressed by the indirect wording in 1 John 2:9-11.

2 Corinthians 7.1. begins
Since we have these promises beloved ...
...let us therefore cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit and make holiness perfect in the Lord

What promise was it just talking about?
Well, skip back to the previous chapter and reading at the end, we see this:

2 Corinthians 6:14-18

14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?​

15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?​

16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.​

17 “Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,​

18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty."​

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So you have to be holy and separate by not being yoked with unbelievers and not involve yourself with idols and then the Lord will receive and be a Father unto you, etcetera.

"beloved .." is that how you think of yourself? since we have these promises, what promises? you say commandments God says promises. What promises? receiving God's promises are the key to keeping His commands.

To believe on the name of Jesus is a commandment (Please see 1 John 3:23).
But even promises we have come with conditions in the New Covenant.
Show me a promise in the New Covenant, and if it deals with our salvation, it is usually tied with a condition.
I can show this to you in the Bible if you like. But it probably does not appeal to you.
Therefore, the fine print of details of the truth of the Bible is not something you appear to accept because it is not your idea of good news.

Yes I have the right to question you about your status, you've come preaching doctrines and how we all gotta live. Did God appoint you for that?

We are told to follow Jesus’ example in Scripture and He quoted God’s Word many times. So there is no need to be appointed to do such a thing if one is a believer in God’s Word.

And you are preaching something you yourself have not attained. You still sin yet you beating on us.

I have no idea what my future holds. You just assume that I am enslaved to some kind of sin based on looking at your own life or the lives around you. This is not faith. We walk by faith and not by sight. Try reading 1 Peter 4:1-2 sometimes and get back to me.

Since we have these promises, God has promised us the free gift of eternal life if'n we believe. But YOU say it is neither a free gift nor is it eternal.

In order for John 5:24 to apply for you, you have to HEAR (obey) God’s Word. Jesus said that the Jews were not of God because they did not hear or obey God’s words. He said the lusts of their father they will do (Which was the devil). Remember, 1 John 3:8 says that he that commits sin is of the devil. Eternal life is a person named Jesus Christ, and it is not a super power, or a magical wish granted to you by a genie. Christ alone has immorality (1 Timothy 6:16). Jesus said He is the way, the truth, and the life. He that has the Son has life, and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). So you need to abide in the Son in order to have eternal life because He is the source of eternal life. No Jesus, and there is no life. How can you have an assurance that you know the Lord Jesus? By keeping His commands (1 John 2:3). The person who says they know the Lord and they do not keep His commands is a liar and the truth is not in them (1 John 2:4). What truth is not in them? Jesus because Jesus is the way, the truth, and the life (John 14:6).

This gift you say must be earned and it comes and goes like the morning dew. Until you KNOW that you are saved and it is forever and ever you will never have the inner strength or faith to live it.

This is a false accusation. The gift of salvation is not earned. The gift is received free by believing in the gospel message in that we are to believe that Christ died for our sins, He was buried, and risen the third day (1 Corinthians 15:1-4). This also generally includes seeking forgiveness with the Lord Jesus Christ, as well (Romans 10:9) (Romans 10:13). But after we receive the gift who is Jesus Christ and His grace, we also know that grace teaches us to deny ungodliness and that we should live godly and righteously in this present world (See: Titus 2:11-12).

oops you sin and you think God is going to whack you, you think He may abandon you to the devil again. How can you fight the devil? he may yet have you back in his clutches.

A believer can abide in spiritual death due to sin, and not be instantly killed by God physically. God is desiring this believer to repent (i.e., seek forgiveness with the LORD Jesus) with them forsaking that sin to be reconciled back to God. This is what 1 John 1:9, 1 John 1:7, and Proverbs 28:13 is all about (Which you do not understand).

The prodigal son was said to be “dead” and ”alive AGAIN” when he came home and sought forgiveness with his father. The prodigal son was dead spiritually while living it up with prostitutes. But when he came back home seeking forgiveness with his father, he was ”alive AGAIN” spiritually. If what you say is true, then the prodigal son could have continued to live it up with prostitutes and still be regarded as alive by his father. But that’s not how the parable plays out. James 5:19-20 teaches the same truth, and so you cannot play games with the parable and say it means something else entirely.

You are being double minded, saved/unsaved, saved/unsaved, now in the light now in darkness God wants you to come BOLDLY to His throne of grace in full assurance of faith to find help in time of need.

That's the way to attain to holiness.

No. Galatians 5:24, 1 Peter 4:1-2, and 2 Corinthians 7:1 is the way of holiness but you have rejected such Scripture verses because you want the easy way out. Think. There are going to be many believers who will be shocked at the Judgment in that they will be cast out.
Have you not read Matthew 7:22-23? Have you not read Matthew 13:41-42? You should, and it should scare you. But I am afraid many today will refuse to see what I have shown in Scripture, and they will not learn of the danger they are truly in until they are at the Judgment. I do not desire you to be in that situation. So I am here to warn you by God’s Word to look at the whole counsel of His Word and not look at things from a wrong perspective that justifies turning God’s grace into a license for immorality or lasciviousness.

 

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Lol

Sorry. Your few works will not get you to heaven.

Don;t boast. But put your faith in the work of Christ.

So then how do you explain the Parable of the Talents when it talks about how those who were faithful over a few things were told to enter the Joy of their Lord vs. the unprofitable servant who was cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth? See, unlike you, I cannot read this Parable and twist it beyond its most plain and child like reading. My soul is too important to play games with by such sloppy reading. There are many warnings about how sin can destroy our soul in the New Testament. But most like yourself are not looking at these verses. You must run past them really fast when you read your Bible. I mean, when Jesus warned about how looking at a woman in lust can cause us to be in danger of hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30), what do you do with that? Do you seek to explain it away? Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud, and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Also consider looking at Luke 10:25-28, as well.

 

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Lol

Sorry. Your few works will not get you to heaven.

Don;t boast. But put your faith in the work of Christ.

So what do you do with verses like Galatians 6:8-9, 1 Timothy 5:8, and Titus 1:16? Do you just ignore them?
Are you even aware of these verses?

 

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You found a scripture that says "salvation can be lost?"

John 15
I am the vine and My Father is the vine dresser, every branch of Mine which bears no fruit He takes away ..."

That is distinct from "if any man does not abide in Me he is cast forth as a branch ... "

You do not abide in Christ, you trust in your own ability to be faithful.

You did not explain how a branch which has been cut off manages to get back onto the vine ...

“….be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life." (Revelation 2:10).

We are also told:

“...We are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end.” (Hebrews 3:13-14).​

"Keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life." (Jude 1:21).​

We are told to:

1. Continue in the grace of God (Acts of the Apostles 13:43).
2. Continue in the faith (Acts of the Apostles 14:22) (Colossians 1:23).
3. Continue in his goodness, otherwise we can be cut off (just like the Jews were cut off) (Romans 11:21-22).

Revelation 22:14-15

14 "Blessed are they that do his commandments,
that they may have right to the tree of life, and may
enter in through the gates into the city.
15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."

 

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So then how do you explain the Parable of the Talents when it talks about how those who were faithful over a few things were told to enter the Joy of their Lord vs. the unprofitable servant who was cast into outer darkness where there was weeping and gnashing of teeth? See, unlike you, I cannot read this Parable and twist it beyond its most plain and child like reading. My soul is too important to play games with by such sloppy reading. There are many warnings about how sin can destroy our soul in the New Testament. But most like yourself are not looking at these verses. You must run past them really fast when you read your Bible. I mean, when Jesus warned about how looking at a woman in lust can cause us to be in danger of hellfire (Matthew 5:28-30), what do you do with that? Do you seek to explain it away? Paul says if any man does not agree with the words of Jesus Christ, and the doctrine according to godliness, he is proud, and he knows nothing (1 Timothy 6:3-4). James 4:6 says that God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble.

Also consider looking at Luke 10:25-28, as well.

Yet you twisted it

Its no different that god silver and precious stone. Not every believe will have the same amount of works. But all of them will have some fruit. Because all of them had Faith,

we are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH..

The one who hid it did not believe. they were lost like all non believers are

 

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You say all these fine things but you commit atrocities against the brothers, assassinating their characters.

love thy neighbour ... where is your love for the late Charles Stanley?

Evil speaking, judging, gossiping are among the sins God hates most.

Should in 17th century english grammar is the perfect of shall.

Unfortunately, Charles Stanley has passed away. But Charles was a false teacher. He taught an extreme form of Hyper Grace.
While I do not agree with the author’s hatred of trusting in the KJB, over Modern counterfeit bibles, they do a good write up on exposing Charle’s Stanley’s false Hyper Grace teaching. You can check that out here:

https://www.evangelicaloutreach.org/charles-stanley.htm

 

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Yet you twisted it

Its no different that god silver and precious stone. Not every believe will have the same amount of works. But all of them will have some fruit. Because all of them had Faith,

we are saved by Grace THROUGH FAITH..

The one who hid it did not believe. they were lost like all non believers are

Uh, your inability of not explaining the Parable of the Talents is unsettling. Please address the points I brought up in the Parable. If not, you are just burying your head in the sand over this portion of God’s Word. Just saying I am twisting the parable and running out of the room to not explain anything does not mean anything. There is no substance to your words if you cannot back up what you say with the Bible.