The Security Of The Believer

[Everlasting-Grace]

So what do you do with verses like Galatians 6:8-9, 1 Timothy 5:8, and Titus 1:16? Do you just ignore them?
Are you even aware of these verses?

what do you do with john 3. 4, 5 and 6? or how about eph 1 and 2

You want to make the bible of no effect feel free.

You want to boast of your works. feel free.

I will boast in God

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Uh, your inability of not explaining the Parable of the Talents is unsettling. Please address the points I brought up in the Parable. If not, you are just burying your head in the sand over this portion of God’s Word.

lol

I am not here to make you happy.

If you do not like my explanation, thats too bad.. I showed you what it means in a way it makes the rest of the word agree

 

[Jimbone]

did you read the part where God told the Church of Smyrna He would BLOT OUT their Names?

God knew them, but, once He Blots Out their Name, it's like forgiven Sin, He no longer Remembers.

But I do not read anywhere it says the names blotted out were saved in truth then blotted out. You HAVE to add that. And you obviously do, to fit your preconceived views. We have to harmonize all these things. I guess I'm not really talking to YOU the mighty Watcher anymore, but my point stands. You have to ignore SO MANY other verses COMPLETELY to reach the conclusion you have. Again making a powerless and confused God who just doesn't know, and sent His only Son to take the just punishment for our sins the way He did, just so He can roll the dice on us and saves some so they can reject Him and besmirch His name.

I'm sorry to be so blunt here, but this is just a stupid idea in my head, and is completely disconnected from the SOVEREIGN God that I know, the ONE that rules over everything, that sustains everything, that authored all of history in awesome glory, who was made flesh on earth, born of the Spirit not of sinful Adam, never transgressed in any way even though tempted in EVERY WAY, He laid down His perfect life to take the wrath due to us so that through faith in Him alone we can be reconciled to Him again as we were created to be. He is the Savior, our King of kings, the fulfillment of the promises God made Israel, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father with ALL authority in heaven, and ON EARTH and must reign until EVERY ENEMY has been made a footstool for His feet.
This is the God I know and read about. He does not save with fingers crossed and a hope, He KNOWS, has purpose, and can not be thwarted.

 

[achduke7]

Actually, the gospel is described for us in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The gospel is simply about believing and not doing. Just reread 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 and you will see it is all about a belief and not doing anything.

To be a doer of the Word is to obey the various instructions in God’s Word (i.e., the Bible). This is what we read about. For example: A man who bridleth not his tongue, their religion is in vain (James 1:26). Pure religion and undefiled is to visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction (James 1:27). Do not have respect of persons in favoring the rich brethren over any poor brethren (James 2:1-7, which is continued in the use of other word throughout the chapter). These are all things that you do.



The confusion on your part only arises because of the corrupt Modern Translations that have flooded the market.

In Genesis 22:2, “offer him up” (KJB) is changed to: “sacrifice” in Modern Bibles (CEV, ERV, GW, TLB, MSG, NOG, NIV, NLT). God told Abraham to offer up Isaac and not to sacrifice him. So if certain Modern bibles are correct, the dilemma here is that either:

• Abraham did not obey God or:
• God changed His Word.

In other words, Abraham did obey by simply offering up his Son. That was the real instructions. The Modern Versions pervert this truth.

1 Cor 15:1-4 is how we are saved. After we are saved we will be a new and different person. Good and righteous people that are saved act different and do good things. After we are saved we should not sit around and do nothing. What profit is that? Paul goes into a great detail how we and why we are saved. He also goes into detail what you should do and not do after you are saved.

I think a big issue in reading Paul is separating how we are saved from how we act after we are saved.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

what do you do with john 3. 4, 5 and 6? or how about eph 1 and 2

You want to make the bible of no effect feel free.

You want to boast of your works. feel free.

I will boast in God

Actually much of John 3-6 is deals with the false sin and still be saved type belief.
Ephesians 2 is in reference to being saved initially by God’s grace.
But I asked you first to explain other verses that I put forth to you, and I believe you simply do not know how to explain them because they run contrary to your belief.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

lol

I am not here to make you happy.

If you do not like my explanation, thats too bad.. I showed you what it means in a way it makes the rest of the word agree

You made outrageous claims and then failed to explain the Parable of the Talents. By not explaining anything and making unsubstantiated claims this means you are simply cherry picking the Bible to defend a false interpretation on God’s Word. Anyone who knows the truth of God’s Word will gladly be able to defend it. Your not doing that and it is a huge “tell.”

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

1 Cor 15:1-4 is how we are saved. After we are saved we will be a new and different person. Good and righteous people that are saved act different and do good things. After we are saved we should not sit around and do nothing. What profit is that? Paul goes into a great detail how we and why we are saved. He also goes into detail what you should do and not do after you are saved.

I think a big issue in reading Paul is separating how we are saved from how we act after we are saved.

Romans 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.

Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Romans 6:15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

While we are initially saved by God’s grace, Sanctification is also a part of salvation, too (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13, Galatians 6:8-9).

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

But I do not read anywhere it says the names blotted out were saved in truth then blotted out. You HAVE to add that. And you obviously do, to fit your preconceived views. We have to harmonize all these things. I guess I'm not really talking to YOU the mighty Watcher anymore, but my point stands. You have to ignore SO MANY other verses COMPLETELY to reach the conclusion you have. Again making a powerless and confused God who just doesn't know, and sent His only Son to take the just punishment for our sins the way He did, just so He can roll the dice on us and saves some so they can reject Him and besmirch His name.

I'm sorry to be so blunt here, but this is just a stupid idea in my head, and is completely disconnected from the SOVEREIGN God that I know, the ONE that rules over everything, that sustains everything, that authored all of history in awesome glory, who was made flesh on earth, born of the Spirit not of sinful Adam, never transgressed in any way even though tempted in EVERY WAY, He laid down His perfect life to take the wrath due to us so that through faith in Him alone we can be reconciled to Him again as we were created to be. He is the Savior, our King of kings, the fulfillment of the promises God made Israel, and is now seated at the right hand of the Father with ALL authority in heaven, and ON EARTH and must reign until EVERY ENEMY has been made a footstool for His feet.
This is the God I know and read about. He does not save with fingers crossed and a hope, He KNOWS, has purpose, and can not be thwarted.

Narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it (Matthew 7:14).

 

[NightTwister]

Narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it (Matthew 7:14).

The way is narrow, but it's not a tightrope.
"I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. " -- Genesis 22:17

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

The way is narrow, but it's not a tightrope.
"I will surely bless you, and I will surely multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and as the sand that is on the seashore. " -- Genesis 22:17

Protestantism is the second largest branch of Christianity with close to 1 billion adherents. In Matthew 7, Jesus is not talking in context or view of atheists, agnostics, and pagan religionists. The FEW that Jesus is referring to is in context to other professing believers in Jesus Christ. So this means that the majority of Christiandom is not going to be of the FEW. Read the chapter for yourself and you will see that this is so.

 

[NightTwister]

Protestantism is the second largest branch of Christianity with close to 1 billion adherents. In Matthew 7, Jesus is not talking in context or view of atheists, agnostics, and pagan religionists. The FEW that Jesus is referring to is in context to other professing believers in Jesus Christ. So this means that the majority of Christiandom is not going to be of the FEW. Read the chapter for yourself and you will see that this is so.

So you dispute Gen 22:17. Got it.

 

[Cameron143]

While we are initially saved by God’s grace, Sanctification is also a part of salvation, too (See: 2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13, Galatians 6:8-9).

Sanctification isn't part of salvation in the sense that it is necessary for it. It is about how to live now that you are saved.

 

[Cameron143]

Narrow is the way that leads unto life and FEW be there that find it (Matthew 7:14).

Narrow in that there is only one WAY...can come through only one DOOR. But heaven is populated by a number no man can number.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Actually much of John 3-6 is deals with the false sin and still be saved type belief.

do what? Unless you are BORN AGAIN you will not see the kingdom of God. WHoever is born again will NEVER die but live forever.

Ephesians 2 is in reference to being saved initially by God’s grace.

There is no such thing as initial salvation. You either saved or your still dead in your sin.

But I asked you first to explain other verses that I put forth to you, and I believe you simply do not know how to explain them because they run contrary to your belief.

I do not have to explain them,

However you do have to settle the contradiction that your interpretation causes in the word of God.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

You made outrageous claims and then failed to explain the Parable of the Talents. By not explaining anything and making unsubstantiated claims this means you are simply cherry picking the Bible to defend a false interpretation on God’s Word. Anyone who knows the truth of God’s Word will gladly be able to defend it. Your not doing that and it is a huge “tell.”

Dude,

I explained the parable. If you do not like my explanation thats too bad.

You can calm your little tude down, Or I will put you where you belong.. with the rest of the self righteous people

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

So you dispute Gen 22:17. Got it.

Looking at all of believers through time, it adds up, but there are believers who will populate (families having children) in the Millennium and the New Earth, as well. There will also be many saints who will come to the faith during the Tribulation period, as well.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Sanctification isn't part of salvation in the sense that it is necessary for it. It is about how to live now that you are saved.

2 Thessalonians 2:13, Romans 8:13, and Galatians 6:8-9 say otherwise. Also see 1 Timothy 5:8.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Dude,

I explained the parable. If you do not like my explanation thats too bad.

You can calm your little tude down, Or I will put you where you belong.. with the rest of the self righteous people

Post # please.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

do what? Unless you are BORN AGAIN you will not see the kingdom of God. WHoever is born again will NEVER die but live forever.

You obviously have never read about those who are twice dead who were plucked up by the roots.

There is no such thing as initial salvation. You either saved or your still dead in your sin.

So there never was a moment in a believer’s life where they went from a lost state to a saved state?
The point in time they first got saved would be Initial Salvation.

I do not have to explain them,

You mean you cannot explain them because it does not align with your belief.

However you do have to settle the contradiction that your interpretation causes in the word of God.

Chapter and verse please.

 

[Bible_Highlighter]

Narrow in that there is only one WAY...can come through only one DOOR. But heaven is populated by a number no man can number.

This is true. But this is in reference to the saints who came out of the Tribulation. But Jesus’ words have to be true in some way in Matthew 7:14. Jesus was clearly saying FEW find eternal life, and this is in context to self professing believers. So imagine the number of believers who didn’t make it into God’s kingdom.