The promised seed

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Genesis 3:11, ‘I (God) will put enmity between thee (the devil) and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; (He) shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.’

The woman’s seed undoubtedly referred to Jesus Christ. What was the Lord telling the devil and the prediction he was making about the future of man?

First, let me point out this one fact: the father’s blood alone flows through an unborn child’s veins. A mother’s blood never enters the bloodstream of the child. Jesus’ blood was that of God alone and not that of a man or woman. For this reason, the blood of Jesus Christ can take away the sins of the world.

The seed implanted in the virgin by the Holy Spirit was of the Creator himself. Mary’s contribution to that seed was flesh. The word seed in Greek is sperm; in Hebrew, it’s Zera: A metaphor for semen, virile, progeny, offspring, children, or descendants.

Galatians 3:16 for you, ‘Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ.’ The seed in Genesis is limited to one principal descendant, Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:19 tells us the Law was added because of transgressions, ‘Until the seed should come to whom the promise was made.’ The blood of animals held by the temple priests was only a type, Jesus being the anti-type.

Hebrews 2:16, ‘He (Jesus) took not on him the nature of angels; but He took on him the seed of Abraham.’

Reliable chronologists agree that the fall of man occurred on October 23, 4004 BC, between the fifteenth and thirtieth by the Julian calendar. Only the Lord knows the exact day and hour of his Sons conception and birth, but the month and year, October 4 B.C.

Nine months earlier, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary; he cleansed her womb and then impregnated her with the life of the incarnate God. Within that seed was the blood, soul, and spirit of the Father’s only begotten Son. He was to take on the form of a child of the flesh. A son was given to be born of a virgin.

He would be the perfect sacrifice, a Lamb without spot or blemish, a gift from God for all time. Jesus gave his life to save those who believed in his finished work. His is the only acceptable sacrifice for the world’s sins.

Hebrews 9:22, ‘Without shedding of blood there is no (forgiveness).’

A few details concerning the promised seed are overlooked at times. This one miracle of conception accomplished the following. Joseph, Mary’s husband, was descended from King Solomon, Matthew 1:6-16. God promised to preserve David’s throne, representing royal authority forever, but not by Solomon’s seed; see Jeremiah 22:24-30. Joseph was Jesus’ legal Father, and through his genealogy, he was to pass David’s throne on to Jesus Christ. The requirement for the throne of Judah was to be a Davidic descendant and sanctioned by divine appointment. No man can ever sit as King of Israel unless he is a member of the House of David.

Isaiah 7:5-6 tells us of a conspiracy that rose among the enemies of God to do away with the house of David, but God warned that any such scheme was doomed to failure; Isaiah 8:9-15. The genealogy of Mary shows she descended from Nathan, another son of David. The Messianic bloodline bypassed Solomon, precisely as prophesied. For this reason, Christ’s birth had to be that of a virgin and not by Joseph, his stepfather by adoption.

Mary’s Father, Heli, was claimed to be the Father of Joseph in Luke 3:23. The problem was that using a woman’s genealogy was contrary to Jewish Law. When a family tree ended with a daughter, as in Mary’s case, Joseph’s name would have been inserted, not Mary’s. But this would cause a problem because of Joseph’s connection to Solomon.

Let me draw this out for you. If we have a straight line on the left of the line, we will write the name of David, followed by Solomon. Then Jeconiah, followed by Joseph. Here’s the problem. The ‘Jeconiah connection’ is significant in Matthew’s genealogy because of the curse the LORD pronounced on Jeconiah in B.C. 599.

Jeremiah 22:24-30. ‘As I live, said the LORD, even though Jeconiah the Son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were a signet ring on my right hand, yet would I pluck you thence; … Is this man Jeconiah a despised, broken idol? Is he a vessel wherein there is no pleasure? Wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. Thus said the LORD, write you this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.’

Neither Jeconiah nor his descendants had the right to David’s throne. Until Jeremiah arrived, the first requirement for messianic lineage was to be of David’s house. With Jeremiah, not only did the descendent have to be of the house of David, but apart from Jeconiah.

According to Matthew’s genealogy, Joseph had the blood of Jeconiah in his veins, which automatically would have disqualified Jesus if he were Joseph’s son by blood. Genesis 3:15 tells us Christ would come after the ‘seed of a woman.’ And Isaiah 7:14 reveals, ‘Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel,’ interpreted, ‘God with us.’

The Lord received his humanity from his mother and the blood, that of God; therefore, the ‘Only begotten Son of The Father.’ And only by the shedding of his precious blood are we saved.

Luke 1:35, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee (Mary) and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also that holy one which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.’

Matthew 1:20, ‘That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.’

This mystery of conception was kept secret from the beginning until the appointed time. 1 Corinthians 2:7-8-9, ‘We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory. Which none of the princes of the world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.’

Every nation and its people have consistently fostered the idea of atonement for sins and that without the shedding of blood, there could be no remission. History gives evidence of this slaughter of man and beast in both the ancient and modern world, from the human sacrifices to the sun god of the Incas, ‘Inti,’ to the child sacrifices to the God of the Canaanites, Moloch. From Asia to the Americas and Europe to the Orient, human sacrifices were man’s way of satisfying their bloodthirsty gods. Blood flowed as rivers from the altars of pagan idol worshippers, but it was all in vain.
 

studentoftheword

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A mother’s blood never enters the bloodstream of the child.
I agree with this statement -----the placenta is the reason the Mother's blood never mixes with the fetus -----the placenta provides nutrients and oxygen needed for the growth of the baby ---it is the Father"s tainted Blood that enters the fetus and that is why our Sin nature is a blood issue -----the Father's Seed __Sperm ----is tainted and corrupt ----

That is why we have a generational curse ------the iniquity of the Father is passed on----


Exodus 34:6-7

Expanded Bible


6 The Lord passed in front of Moses and said, “I am the Lord. The Lord is a God who shows ·mercy [compassion], who is ·kind [gracious], ·who doesn’t become angry quickly [patient], who has great ·love [loyalty] and faithfulness

7 and ·is kind [L guards/preserves loyalty] to thousands of people. The Lord forgives people for ·evil [iniquity], for ·sin [transgression], and for ·turning against him [sin], but he does not ·forget to punish guilty people [L clear].
He will punish not only the guilty people, but also their children, their grandchildren, ·their great-grandchildren, and their great-great-grandchildren [L to the third and fourth generations; Num. 14:18; Neh. 9:17; Ps. 86:15; 103:8; 145:8; Nah. 1:3].”

Eve was deceived by Satan into sin ---Adam sinned willfully on his own ----Adam was a type of Christ and was in Charge of the Garden ---Eve was his helper and companion ---Adam could have saved the day if he had of refused the fruit --but he made a bad choice ----and paid the price --which he passed on to us -----
 

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First, let me point out this one fact: the father’s blood alone flows through an unborn child’s veins. A mother’s blood never enters the bloodstream of the child. Jesus’ blood was that of God alone and not that of a man or woman. For this reason, the blood of Jesus Christ can take away the sins of the world.

That's something new. I've never heard this! Where did you get that information?


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Nehemiah6

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I agree with this statement -----the placenta is the reason the Mother's blood never mixes with the fetus -----the placenta provides nutrients and oxygen needed for the growth of the baby...
Do you have any scientific information to back this up? Not that I am questioning your statement, but surely there must be actual studies to confirm this. Scripture never contradicts true science, since it is God Himself who is behind all natural laws (which govern science).
 

John146

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Genesis 3:11, ‘I (God) will put enmity between thee (the devil) and the woman, and between your seed and her seed; (He) shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.’

The woman’s seed undoubtedly referred to Jesus Christ. What was the Lord telling the devil and the prediction he was making about the future of man?

First, let me point out this one fact: the father’s blood alone flows through an unborn child’s veins. A mother’s blood never enters the bloodstream of the child. Jesus’ blood was that of God alone and not that of a man or woman. For this reason, the blood of Jesus Christ can take away the sins of the world.

The seed implanted in the virgin by the Holy Spirit was of the Creator himself. Mary’s contribution to that seed was flesh. The word seed in Greek is sperm; in Hebrew, it’s Zera: A metaphor for semen, virile, progeny, offspring, children, or descendants.

Galatians 3:16 for you, ‘Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of one, and to thy seed, which is Christ.’ The seed in Genesis is limited to one principal descendant, Jesus Christ.

Galatians 3:19 tells us the Law was added because of transgressions, ‘Until the seed should come to whom the promise was made.’ The blood of animals held by the temple priests was only a type, Jesus being the anti-type.

Hebrews 2:16, ‘He (Jesus) took not on him the nature of angels; but He took on him the seed of Abraham.’

Reliable chronologists agree that the fall of man occurred on October 23, 4004 BC, between the fifteenth and thirtieth by the Julian calendar. Only the Lord knows the exact day and hour of his Sons conception and birth, but the month and year, October 4 B.C.

Nine months earlier, the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary; he cleansed her womb and then impregnated her with the life of the incarnate God. Within that seed was the blood, soul, and spirit of the Father’s only begotten Son. He was to take on the form of a child of the flesh. A son was given to be born of a virgin.

He would be the perfect sacrifice, a Lamb without spot or blemish, a gift from God for all time. Jesus gave his life to save those who believed in his finished work. His is the only acceptable sacrifice for the world’s sins.

Hebrews 9:22, ‘Without shedding of blood there is no (forgiveness).’

A few details concerning the promised seed are overlooked at times. This one miracle of conception accomplished the following. Joseph, Mary’s husband, was descended from King Solomon, Matthew 1:6-16. God promised to preserve David’s throne, representing royal authority forever, but not by Solomon’s seed; see Jeremiah 22:24-30. Joseph was Jesus’ legal Father, and through his genealogy, he was to pass David’s throne on to Jesus Christ. The requirement for the throne of Judah was to be a Davidic descendant and sanctioned by divine appointment. No man can ever sit as King of Israel unless he is a member of the House of David.

Isaiah 7:5-6 tells us of a conspiracy that rose among the enemies of God to do away with the house of David, but God warned that any such scheme was doomed to failure; Isaiah 8:9-15. The genealogy of Mary shows she descended from Nathan, another son of David. The Messianic bloodline bypassed Solomon, precisely as prophesied. For this reason, Christ’s birth had to be that of a virgin and not by Joseph, his stepfather by adoption.

Mary’s Father, Heli, was claimed to be the Father of Joseph in Luke 3:23. The problem was that using a woman’s genealogy was contrary to Jewish Law. When a family tree ended with a daughter, as in Mary’s case, Joseph’s name would have been inserted, not Mary’s. But this would cause a problem because of Joseph’s connection to Solomon.

Let me draw this out for you. If we have a straight line on the left of the line, we will write the name of David, followed by Solomon. Then Jeconiah, followed by Joseph. Here’s the problem. The ‘Jeconiah connection’ is significant in Matthew’s genealogy because of the curse the LORD pronounced on Jeconiah in B.C. 599.

Jeremiah 22:24-30. ‘As I live, said the LORD, even though Jeconiah the Son of Jehoiakim king of Judah were a signet ring on my right hand, yet would I pluck you thence; … Is this man Jeconiah a despised, broken idol? Is he a vessel wherein there is no pleasure? Wherefore are they cast out, he and his seed, are cast into a land which they know not? O earth, earth, earth, hear the word of the LORD. Thus said the LORD, write you this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.’

Neither Jeconiah nor his descendants had the right to David’s throne. Until Jeremiah arrived, the first requirement for messianic lineage was to be of David’s house. With Jeremiah, not only did the descendent have to be of the house of David, but apart from Jeconiah.

According to Matthew’s genealogy, Joseph had the blood of Jeconiah in his veins, which automatically would have disqualified Jesus if he were Joseph’s son by blood. Genesis 3:15 tells us Christ would come after the ‘seed of a woman.’ And Isaiah 7:14 reveals, ‘Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel,’ interpreted, ‘God with us.’

The Lord received his humanity from his mother and the blood, that of God; therefore, the ‘Only begotten Son of The Father.’ And only by the shedding of his precious blood are we saved.

Luke 1:35, ‘The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee (Mary) and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore, also that holy one which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.’

Matthew 1:20, ‘That which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.’

This mystery of conception was kept secret from the beginning until the appointed time. 1 Corinthians 2:7-8-9, ‘We speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory. Which none of the princes of the world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.’

Every nation and its people have consistently fostered the idea of atonement for sins and that without the shedding of blood, there could be no remission. History gives evidence of this slaughter of man and beast in both the ancient and modern world, from the human sacrifices to the sun god of the Incas, ‘Inti,’ to the child sacrifices to the God of the Canaanites, Moloch. From Asia to the Americas and Europe to the Orient, human sacrifices were man’s way of satisfying their bloodthirsty gods. Blood flowed as rivers from the altars of pagan idol worshippers, but it was all in vain.
Been teaching this for years brother. It’s refreshing to see others get it. That’s why the word begotten is vital to the scriptures.

After the fall, Adam’s bloodline was passed down through Seth and all men after him. Man‘s blood is what’s corrupt because of sin. Jesus had to be born of a virgin through the Holy Spirit. The body prepared for the Son had God’s blood flowing through it, not Joseph’s.
 

John146

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it really doesn't, you know. the blood in the baby's veins is the baby's blood.
We are all of one blood, passed down from Adam to Seth to Noah, etc...

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
 

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We are all of one blood, passed down from Adam to Seth to Noah, etc...

Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
yes! we're all genetically related. doesn't change the facts of biology, though. :)
 

John146

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yes! we're all genetically related. doesn't change the facts of biology, though. :)
Where does a child get his or her blood? Are you trusting biology or the word of God?
 

notmyown

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Where does a child get his or her blood? Are you trusting biology or the word of God?
lol i'm not reading it with wooden-headed literalism. the child gets his or her DNA from the parents. two cells, a sperm and an ovum, become a whole human being under the superintendence of God! it's marvelous!
 

John146

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lol i'm not reading it with wooden-headed literalism. the child gets his or her DNA from the parents. two cells, a sperm and an ovum, become a whole human being under the superintendence of God! it's marvelous!
If you don't take the bible literally and allow it to be as honest as possible, then you can make it say anything you want. I'm not saying you are guilty of this here, but a lot of false narratives come from not taking the bible literally. Passages will tell us when not to take it literally.
 

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If you don't take the bible literally and allow it to be as honest as possible, then you can make it say anything you want. I'm not saying you are guilty of this here, but a lot of false narratives come from not taking the bible literally. Passages will tell us when not to take it literally.
yes, we take literally what's meant to be taken literally. i fully agree.
 

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Been teaching this for years brother. It’s refreshing to see others get it. That’s why the word begotten is vital to the scriptures.

After the fall, Adam’s bloodline was passed down through Seth and all men after him. Man‘s blood is what’s corrupt because of sin. Jesus had to be born of a virgin through the Holy Spirit. The body prepared for the Son had God’s blood flowing through it, not Joseph’s.
Happy New Year
 

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And he hath on his (robe) and on his thigh a name written, KING of KINGS, and LORD of LORDS." The first and the last, the Almighty. Amen to that!
 

studentoftheword

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Do you have any scientific information to back this up? Not that I am questioning your statement, but surely there must be actual studies to confirm this
Not sure --to be honest --just my view -------but it makes sense to me that we all have sinned and if the Mother's blood mixes with the Fetus then------ Jesus would have had tainted Blood running through Him and therefore would not have been Holy and sinless --in my view ----the tainted Blood comes from the Father -----the scripture says the iniquity of the Father is passed on ---it says nothing about the Mother's iniquity being passed on -------so there has to be a cleansing of some type if the mother's blood enters the fetus- I would say ------

---Mary's ovum was penetrated by the sperm of the Holy Spirit--and Jesus was sinless and Holy -----

God could have made Mary's Blood Holy if it did enter the Fetus as God can do anything He wants to -----so that could have happened as well ???????----




I did just find this ------

Health Encyclopedia
https://www.urmc.rochester.edu/encyclopedia/content.aspx?ContentTypeID=90&ContentID=P02362
Blood Circulation in the Fetus and Newborn
How does the fetal circulatory system work?
During pregnancy, the unborn baby (fetus) depends on its mother for nourishment and oxygen. Since the fetus doesn’t breathe air, their blood circulates differently than it does after birth:

  • The placenta is the organ that develops and implants in the mother's womb (uterus) during pregnancy. The unborn baby is connected to the placenta by the umbilical cord.
  • All the necessary nutrition, oxygen, and life support from the mother’s blood goes through the placenta and to the baby through blood vessels in the umbilical cord.
  • Waste products and carbon dioxide from the baby are sent back through the umbilical cord blood vessels and placenta to the mother's circulation to be eliminated.
 

Nehemiah6

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God could have made Mary's Blood Holy if it did enter the Fetus as God can do anything He wants to -----so that could have happened as well ???????---
Mary was a virgin when Christ was conceived. So Joseph contributed nothing. But the process of normal reproduction is as follows: "To form a fetus, an egg from the mother and sperm from the father come together. The egg and sperm each have one half of a set of chromosomes. The egg and sperm together give the baby the full set of chromosomes. So, half the baby's DNA comes from the mother and half comes from the father."

So at the very least Mary contributed her set of chromosomes and that is how Christ became a Man. At the same time He was conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit, so He was fully God. Regardless, the conception and birth of Christ was miraculous.
 

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Mary was a virgin when Christ was conceived. So Joseph contributed nothing. But the process of normal reproduction is as follows: "To form a fetus, an egg from the mother and sperm from the father come together. The egg and sperm each have one half of a set of chromosomes. The egg and sperm together give the baby the full set of chromosomes. So, half the baby's DNA comes from the mother and half comes from the father."

So at the very least Mary contributed her set of chromosomes and that is how Christ became a Man. At the same time He was conceived supernaturally by the Holy Spirit, so He was fully God. Regardless, the conception and birth of Christ was miraculous.
Why would Mary have to contribute DNA? She has fallen DNA just as Adam does. While it is true that blood type is passed on though the father's DNA, I haven't found in scripture where it says the sin nature is passed to offspring in this manner. Her flesh is every bit as corrupt as his.
Also, Matthew 1:20 says that which is conceived in her was conceived of the Holy Spirit. What precludes the entire conception being the work of the Spirit?