TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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douggg

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Well if the lord as declared all food safe to eat then that means all animals are no longer unclean,

So answer this question @cv5 and @Kroogz

Why does it need to be a lamb that gets sacrificed in Daniels prophecy for the future.

Are you sure that lamb is not Christians that will be sacrificed everyday 🤔
What was the daily sacrifice being performed in first and second temples ?
 

Cameron143

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Really? You think Jesus returned and has become King over all the nations with an iron rod???

Where are all His people who have put on immortality and reigning with Him over the nations? I don't know anybody like that. Do you???


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I believe Jesus came in the 1st century, raptured believers and poured out His wrath through the Roman army on unbelieving Jerusalem.
The part of Jesus ruling with a rod is simply that He is ruling the world currently through judgment. But He is ruling. He sits on a throne, possesses the keys to death and hell, and is adding to the church daily and the forces of hell are impotent to do anything about it.
The kingdom of God started basically with 120 cowards in an upper room and has grown to over millions in our time. Not quite the largest tree yet, but certainly on its way.

Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. In other words, to undo the effects of sin. But the effects of sin did not occur immediately. Adam and Eve didn't immediately fall over dead. Adam lived to be 900. But the effects of sin over time had life expectancy go down over time.

Likewise, after the resurrection of Jesus, the effects of the resurrection are gradually changing things in the other direction. Eventually, they will swallow up all the effects of sin and all things will be as they were...with some improvements.

There is abundant evidence for both the effects of sin and the effects of the resurrection. Would be glad to go through them with you if you you like.
 

Cameron143

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No, the daily sacrifice of two lambs, one in the morning and one in the evening are not taking place at present because there is no physical temple standing to perform the daily sacrifice.

Jesus has not returned because when He returns in Revelation 19 at the end of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel, everyone alive that day will know it. On the day that Jesus returns, the beast-king (the Antichrist person) and the false prophet, both standing on the temple mount that day, will be cast alive into the lake of fire. Revelation 19:20

And the abomination of desolation statue image of the beast-king will be turned to ashes, exposing Satan to all present that day to behold him, i.e. see him in plain sight. He will be cast into the bottomless pit prison, Revelation 20:1-3.

And the armies that will have assembled at Armageddon will all be destroyed by Jesus, in Revelation 19:21.

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Jesus gave the parable of the fig tree generation to know when his return is near, and that generation will not pass away without seeing all of the end times events take place.

1967 Jerusalem (the fig tree) back in the hands of the Jews + 70 years for a generation (Psalms 90:10) = 2037, not later than.

So if we subtract 7 years, not later than 2030, the 70th week will start. It will start right after the Gog/Magog event of Ezekiel 38-39.
So sacrifices have ceased, right?
 

douggg

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So sacrifices have ceased, right?
To begin again at the time of the end, so that the time of the end prophecies regarding the little horn person (the Antichrist) can be fulfilled.

Those things will be fulfilled not in the distant future, but begin during the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. To begin no later than the end of 2030.
 

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I believe Jesus came in the 1st century, raptured believers and poured out His wrath through the Roman army on unbelieving Jerusalem.
The part of Jesus ruling with a rod is simply that He is ruling the world currently through judgment. But He is ruling. He sits on a throne, possesses the keys to death and hell, and is adding to the church daily and the forces of hell are impotent to do anything about it.
The kingdom of God started basically with 120 cowards in an upper room and has grown to over millions in our time. Not quite the largest tree yet, but certainly on its way.

Jesus came to destroy the works of the devil. In other words, to undo the effects of sin. But the effects of sin did not occur immediately. Adam and Eve didn't immediately fall over dead. Adam lived to be 900. But the effects of sin over time had life expectancy go down over time.

Likewise, after the resurrection of Jesus, the effects of the resurrection are gradually changing things in the other direction. Eventually, they will swallow up all the effects of sin and all things will be as they were...with some improvements.

There is abundant evidence for both the effects of sin and the effects of the resurrection. Would be glad to go through them with you if you you like.

That's not what the Bible says. And no, I don't need to go through any of that in greater detail. I don't know where you got all that from, but I know I wouldn't listen to that.


All believers were raptured out before 70AD?

Yeah, at least we now know where he stands.

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Kroogz

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That's not what the Bible says. And no, I don't need to go through any of that in greater detail. I don't know where you got all that from, but I know I wouldn't listen to that.





Yeah, at least we now know where he stands.

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Well, if the rapture happened before 70AD.......He forgot to pick up John.
 

Cameron143

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That's not what the Bible says. And no, I don't need to go through any of that in greater detail. I don't know where you got all that from, but I know I wouldn't listen to that.





Yeah, at least we now know where he stands.

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Please tell me where I'm wrong.
 

Cameron143

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To begin again at the time of the end, so that the time of the end prophecies regarding the little horn person (the Antichrist) can be fulfilled.

Those things will be fulfilled not in the distant future, but begin during the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. To begin no later than the end of 2030.
Why wasn't Jesus referring to the end of the age and not the end of the world?
 

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I was given a preview of the "new" me (I had a sapphire blue top with a red hairband which in sorts alluded to a helmet of salvation and a breastplate of righteousness) and even though the outer me is slowly wasting away, and groans inwardly as I wait eagerly for...the redemption of my body, the inner me is being renewed day by day, sealed for the day of redemption. This day coming is in Malachi described as a day, "burning like a furnace, when all the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble; the day is coming when it will set them ablaze...not a root nor branch will be left to them ....But for you, who fear My name, the sun of righteousness will rise with healing in its wings, and you will go out and leap like calves from the stall." This is written within the context of The Great Day of the LORD. "Then you will trample the wicked for they will be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I am preparing."

I haven't trampled any ashes of the wicked to date, that I'm aware of so, as to whether this temple has to be built or not, I'm not sure how that would make any difference to me?
 

Cameron143

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If it was just for those in Jerusalem.....why did the Lord promise a church in ASIA that He would protect them?
The destruction was in Jerusalem. Why would a church in Asia need protection from that? Is there a particular passage you are thinking of?
 

Kroogz

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It was for those in Jerusalem.
Rev 1~~4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is, and who was, and who [c]is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne,

Rev 3~~10 Because you have kept My word of perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of the testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming quickly; hold firmly to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
 

Cameron143

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Rev 1~~4 John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from Him who is, and who was, and who [c]is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before His throne,

Rev 3~~10 Because you have kept My word of perseverance, I also will keep you from the hour of the testing, that hour which is about to come upon the whole world, to test those who live on the earth. 11 I am coming quickly; hold firmly to what you have, so that no one will take your crown.
That's simply tribulation. To keep them from. It doesn't have to mean being raptured. He could simply keep the effects from coming upon them. Same situation exists today. The church in some areas suffers greatly while in other areas does not.
 

Kroogz

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That's simply tribulation. To keep them from. It doesn't have to mean being raptured. He could simply keep the effects from coming upon them. Same situation exists today. The church in some areas suffers greatly while in other areas does not.
It is in direct reference to His coming. If they are sitting pretty in Asia, far from a local destruction in Jerusalem......they are safe. No need to keep them safe from Jerusalem's destruction.