TEMPLE......TO BE OR NOT TO BE....THAT IS MY QUESTION!!!!!

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Cameron143

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Cameron theres people in a hell fire right now pleading in agony and have been there a long time pleading for a long time

But Jesus doesn't hear them and he put them there

Do you know the scripture I'm talking about ?
I'm not talking about people in hell. I'm saying the law of eye for an eye was a limiting commandment. You keep adding to what I originally said so I'm responding. But it has nothing to do what my original comment.
 

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. Cameron teaching the law of love is a good way to prevent people going to hell

That's what Jesus came for too.

He came to teach people the law of love

But if they don't love they go to hell.

Where they feal the pain of burning
Teaching love doesn't save people. God saves.
 
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Teaching love doesn't save people. God saves.
ok Cameron we'll thanks for remind me. But you should be reminded your instructed to preach the gospel to help the great commission.

The great commission is to prevent people from going to hell.

And yes if you don't repent the eye for the eye scripture and a tooth for a tooth scripture still stands

Why else would God allow the Jews to live under his old covenant untill his return
 

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You're wrong about what I'm saying. I'm not judging Israel. God judged Israel. What do you think all the hoopla was about in the 1st century?
Jews can still be grafted back in. But the only provision for them to come is through Christ individually. I hope they all get saved. But I don't see a way for them as a nation to be saved. Could a bunch get saved at once. We've certainly seen that before.
You have NOT provided a cogent rebuttal founded upon sound exegesis regarding those many passages that I posted.
What you DID reply with was the same nauseating vacuous vapid opinions that you habitually dispense.

Which, of course, was exactly what I was expecting.

"IN THAT DAY".....the key phrase that undergirds all end-time prophecy, terminating with the Second Coming. Deal with it.

Zec 12:8
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
 
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You're wrong about what I'm saying. I'm not judging Israel. God judged Israel. What do you think all the hoopla was about in the 1st century?
Jews can still be grafted back in. But the only provision for them to come is through Christ individually. I hope they all get saved. But I don't see a way for them as a nation to be saved. Could a bunch get saved at once. We've certainly seen that before.
your confusing Isreal with Isreal lol.

There's two Judgements Isreal the first born and Isreal the second
 

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You have NOT provided a cogent rebuttal founded upon sound exegesis regarding those many passages that I posted.
What you DID reply with was the same nauseating vacuous vapid opinions that you habitually dispense.

Which, of course, was exactly what I was expecting.

"IN THAT DAY".....the key phrase that undergirds all end-time prophecy, terminating with the Second Coming. Deal with it.

Zec 12:8
In that day shall the LORD defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the LORD before them.
Zec 12:9
And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:10
And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
I'm waiting for you to go through Romans with me and show me how Paul built upon his arguments to come to the place he did in Romans 11 and what the verses mean in context.
In the meantime, the house of David is spiritual Israel. There is no value in the kingdom of God in any human heritage...there is neither Jew or Greek. There are only those in Christ and those who aren't. Those in Christ are a new creation. Why would God put up again the partition He tore down in the first place?
What was God's purpose in forming the Jewish nation in the first place?
 

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You have NOT provided a cogent rebuttal founded upon sound exegesis regarding those many passages that I posted.
I'm sure it's because typing "Fulfilled in 70AD" over and over again would look like spam, lol.

The preterist-wall catch-all. including all the absurdly specific geographic details which were "spiritually fulfilled" in the "spiritual geography".
 

Cameron143

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your confusing Isreal with Isreal lol.

There's two Judgements Isreal the first born and Isreal the second
There is no judgment of spiritual Israel. The nation Israel was judged under the old covenant. The new covenant concerns spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel is made up of those in Christ.
 
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There is no judgment of spiritual Israel. The nation Israel was judged under the old covenant. The new covenant concerns spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel is made up of those in Christ.
there is two Judgments for Isreal bro.

The first born and the second born
 

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You're wrong about what I'm saying. I'm not judging Israel. God judged Israel. What do you think all the hoopla was about in the 1st century?
Jews can still be grafted back in. But the only provision for them to come is through Christ individually. I hope they all get saved. But I don't see a way for them as a nation to be saved. Could a bunch get saved at once. We've certainly seen that before.
Cameron, Revelation 12, after the first verses 1-5 introduction to identify that the woman throughout the rest of that chapter is Israel - is about what Israel will experience during the 7 year 70th week.

The Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus in Revelation 12:10. To fulfill what Paul wrote about - all Israel shall be saved.
 

Cameron143

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Cameron, Revelation 12, after the first verses 1-5 introduction to identify that the woman throughout the rest of that chapter is Israel - is about what Israel will experience during the 7 year 70th week.

The Jews en-masse will turn to Jesus in Revelation 12:10. To fulfill what Paul wrote about - all Israel shall be saved.
That's one understanding. But why do you believe God is speaking of natural Israel and not spiritual Israel? Romans 9 has Paul speaking concerning the nation Israel and about the children of promise. He makes a point to say that the children of the flesh are not the ones who inherit the promise. So why doesn't it make more sense that the group all are saved in is spiritual Israel, and not natural Israel? Don't all those of the promise get saved?
 

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I'm sure it's because typing "Fulfilled in 70AD" over and over again would look like spam, lol.

The preterist-wall catch-all. including all the absurdly specific geographic details which were "spiritually fulfilled" in the "spiritual geography".
Stuck in a padded room echo chamber in a mental and spiritual straitjacket must really be a bummer. Made worse by his raving roommate @Thunderrr-mental
 
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Yes indeed if we don’t know better than he does lol
ahaa now ya talkin bro.

Knock and door shall be open my good friend today tomorrow and the next day.

This I tell you on the lords authority.

Remember bro your walking with brothers when we knock together.

And also brother always look for scripture to proof a brother right 👍
 

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There is no judgment of spiritual Israel. The nation Israel was judged under the old covenant. The new covenant concerns spiritual Israel. Spiritual Israel is made up of those in Christ.
“And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:28-29‬ ‭

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭

just making the point all the faithful are one group and all the unfaithful and wicked are one group

There we’re a lot of faithful Hebrews and Israelites later in the ot including Abraham the original man of faith
 

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“And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭8:11-12‬ ‭KJV‬‬

“There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.”
‭‭Luke‬ ‭13:28-29‬ ‭

“Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance: and think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭3:8-10‬ ‭

just making the point all the faithful are one group and all the unfaithful and wicked are one group

There we’re a lot of faithful Hebrews and Israelites later in the ot including Abraham the original man of faith
There was always a spiritual lineage in the natural lineage. This was always the seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise.
 

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That's one understanding. But why do you believe God is speaking of natural Israel and not spiritual Israel? Romans 9 has Paul speaking concerning the nation Israel and about the children of promise. He makes a point to say that the children of the flesh are not the ones who inherit the promise. So why doesn't it make more sense that the group all are saved in is spiritual Israel, and not natural Israel? Don't all those of the promise get saved?
Cameron, "spiritual Israel" is not a biblical term.

https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/search.php?q=spiritual+Israel&bsec=&order=0&s=1