Are we in the great tribulation
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tribulation is dependant on how great the cause is toojust sayin
Getting beheaded because you stole a car.. And getting beheaded because you refused to worship the image of the beast does not change the fact you are getting your head chopped off..
but that's just, those who refuse to worship the beast go through a battle with satan
Those who identify satan in there life go through a battle.
Those who identify satan in other people's life's go through an even bigger battle.
Then those who give there life to Jesus
Suffer to
But then there's those who suffer more so all over the world.
Some greater, because Satan has to kill one man before he kills another
However the question should be how many people is satan killing at anyone time
Yeah, sorry, so no verses. They began killing the followers of Jesus at the time of the apostles, starting with Stephen. Over the last 100 years more Christians have been martyred than in the previous 1900 years. So obviously, hunting down and killing Christians does not refer to the sign that we are in "the great tribulation".
You are simply teaching according to your imagination. That is a seriously risky endeavor.
Neither Rev 13:15 nor 20:4 or John 16:33 supports a doctrine that the Great tribulation is marked by killing Christians (the verses you reference).
However the NT does say Christians are not appointed to wrath and the pouring out of wrath in the book of Revelation marks what they call "the Great Tribulation".
but that's just, those who refuse to worship the beast go through a battle with satan
Those who identify satan in there life go through a battle.
Those who identify satan in other people's life's go through an even bigger battle.
Then those who give there life to Jesus
Suffer to
But then there's those who suffer more so all over the world.
Some greater, because Satan has to kill one man before he kills another
However the question should be how many people is satan killing at anyone time
Satan and his followers are killing millions each year.. But during the great tribulation billions will be dying each year.. I believe from reading scripture that 1/3rd of mankind will be slaughtered by the Anti-christ and his followers and then another 1/3rd of human life will be ended in the great disasters that God shall bring upon the earth..
As for people who give their life to Christ yeah they suffer some kind of persecution but it is all relative.. There is the persecution of being shunned by your family because they have rejected Christ.. And then there are new Christians who end up being ""honor killed"" by their family because they changed their religion.. There are more then a few cases of former muslims who became Christians and ended up being murdered for it by their family relatives.. Some suffer more some suffer less.. But in the end times there will be greater suffering then at any other time.. It's all about the numbers and the severity..
yeah well i did post verses.. take your time to read my posts.. Anyway we shall disagree about this then.. And yeah i believe you are preaching based on what you want to believe also.. Which is indeed risky behavour because it sets one up not to be ready for great tribulation.. So when great tribulation strikes one who believed that God would protect them from it.. Well their belief in God can take a mighty blow..
This is where the followers of satan are satans, and antichrist spirits.
Then the soul of human that goes wicked too.
Tell me how people are saved now
John 1 says different
John says for we know we are in the last hour because many antichrists are in the world.
Last hour is as close to great tribulation you can get. Do you deny this ?
Which means many Satans many anti Christ.
As Satan is the antichrist too. They multiply as idols are created and there are many types of idols you can create. An image of the beast becomes a false prophet when it's worshiped it speaks
And satan as give all antiChrists authority to accuse Gods children day and night.
And all of none Gods people that are mature, know about God, but don't serve him, know about losing your soul but still don't serve God, are all controlled by a false prophet, a Goliath in there life, a beast an anti Christ a warped spiritual being deluded and deceiving human beings who deceive others
Incase you've not noticed.
how many have been killed by theese Type of creature this year alone and last year.
Because your life is rosey does that make you correct
This is where the followers of satan are satans, and antichrist spirits.
Then the soul of human that goes wicked too.
Tell me how people are saved now
John 1 says different
John says for we know we are in the last hour because many antichrists are in the world.
Last hour is as close to great tribulation you can get. Do you deny this ?
I don't deny scripture.. But i do deny certain interpretations of scripture.. Like if you think that the final hour is literal and not symbolic and you think the great tribulation happened just after the assertion of Jesus as preterists do then yeah i totally deny that interpretation..
Jesus made it clear that the end would not come until the gospel was preached to ALL nations on earth and that did not happen in one hour after Jesus assented into heaven.. It is still yet to be completed..
(Matthew 24:14) "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come."
There is only 1 satan.. but there are many anti-christs,, for instance all muslims are anti-christs.. But there will be a final anti-christ who will be a great leader who will claim to be God on earth and will demand to be worshiped and will have anyone who refuses to worship him executed..
No an image is a flat surfaced depiction of someone or something.. In the end times they will produce a moving image of the anti-christ, think TV, that will speak to the people all over the world..
Why do you assume my life is rosy ??? Do you know me? Nope.. Do you know all about my life? Nope.. Don't create an idol out of me.. Don't play the man, play the ball..
I speak Welsh so ask if you deny, I ask you to see if you believe
Then I ask you not personaly, obviously you struggle with literal yourself
I ask also because your life is rosy is a generalised question
I ask you because it's a general view most people are sticking two fingers up and she shut up or something.
So no are you most people.
You see I have opinions just like so no problem, for me tu aska yu
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is ok for you talk about for me with about this problemI'm not getting personal so I hope you see this question is not direct
The Great Tribulation does not happen until Satan appears in the temple of God (in Jerusalem) claiming to be God.
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
—selah
Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 (KJV)
—selah
the title says are we in great tribulation and not has the great tribulation been and gone.
Jesus said his word would bring a sword between brother.
do you deny this or are you a preterist
I speak Welsh so ask if you deny, I ask you to see if you believe
Then I ask you not personaly, obviously you struggle with literal yourself
I ask also because your life is rosy is a generalised question
I ask you because it's a general view most people are sticking two fingers up and she shut up or something.
So no are you most people.
You see I have opinions just like so no problem, for me tu aska yu
This
I'm not getting personal so I hope you see this question is not direct
Alright your English is not good enough to take part in a detailed complicated English discussion.. So i will withdraw from this discussion.. You need to go find a site where you can discuss these concepts in your native language.. Otherwise you are going to end up frustrating yourself and frustrating the English people you are talking to..
This is for others who might be reading my replies.. No i do not deny that Jesus said that that The Word of God would bring division within families.. I have personally experienced this myself because i am a convert from the catholic religion to a Bible believing Christian and that divided me from my devout catholic dad and my staunchly atheist sister.. So i know what the symbolic meaning of the sword mentioned by Jesus means in real life....
(Matthew 10:34-37) "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. {35} For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. {36} And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. {37} He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me."
Yep my foes in faith have been members of my own household..
Oh and i am not a preterist.. That should be obvious.. But since this guy does not have English as His main language he does not seem to be able to get to this conclusion from reading my posts..
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child. And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood. And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth. And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
- Revelation 12:9-17 (KJV)
I apologize for being a little off-topic, @Thunderrr-mental.
it's fine to talk about anything in my topics really I don't mind.
I believe the man of lawlessness has been revealed to.
But I believe the book of Revelations is mixed up and not in the right order unfortunately