MYSTERY, BABYLON

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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

I used to think that this referred to the Catholic church. It seemed like a good fit. But now I'm wondering if it is referring to the whole world, as a system. I just finished reading Jeremiah and it is making me think Babylon is a much stronger foe. Babylon was able to remove Gods chosen people from the land.

Jeremiah 51:53-58


53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
54A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
55Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
56Because the spoiler is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, every one of their bows is broken: for the LORD God of recompences shall surely requite.
57And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts. 58Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary.


I think Babylon is the world and the enticement of riches and fame that the world can give. What do you think??
 
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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

I used to think that this referred to the Catholic church. It seemed like a good fit. But now I'm wondering if it is referring to the whole world, as a system. I just finished reading Jeremiah and it is making me think Babylon is a much stronger foe. Babylon was able to remove Gods chosen people from the land.

Jeremiah 51:53-58


53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
54A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
55Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
56Because the spoiler is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, every one of their bows is broken: for the LORD God of recompences shall surely requite.
57And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts. 58Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary.


I think Babylon is the world and the enticement of riches and fame that the world can give. What do you think??
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Alot of people are starting to think this. I still have not bought into it.

The thing that forms my opinion is what Babylon was. It was a city, but it was also a religion. It was started at the tower of babel. And it had certain characteristics. When Babylon was overthrown. The priests took the religion with them and ran to other parts of the world. The OT prophets preached against it as Israel was always caught dabbling in it. And when Israel did. they were said to be "playing the harlot" the harlot being the Babylon religious system.

In its later forms, it became what we now know as the greek mythology, and then roman mythology. It is still with us today. Although it calls itself something else.

The big thing is the Jews were always in trouble because they were playing the harlot. The harlot is Babylon. and if we find this "harlot" I believe we will find Babylon.
 
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I'm in Ezekiel now and just read Ezekiel 23 the parable of the sisters.



28For thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will deliver thee into the hand of them whom thou hatest, into the hand of them from whom thy mind is alienated:
29And they shall deal with thee hatefully, and shall take away all thy labour, and shall leave thee naked and bare: and the nakedness of thy whoredoms shall be discovered, both thy lewdness and thy whoredoms. 30I will do these things unto thee, because thou hast gone a whoring after the heathen, and because thou art polluted with their idols.

Really all of Ezekiel 23 but those verses seemed to be the gist of it. I'm still leaning toward Babylon being the world. I don't always know how the OT and the NT tie together, though. My view is that the OT is types and shadows of what the NT brings.

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Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

I used to think that this referred to the Catholic church. It seemed like a good fit. But now I'm wondering if it is referring to the whole world, as a system. I just finished reading Jeremiah and it is making me think Babylon is a much stronger foe. Babylon was able to remove Gods chosen people from the land.

Jeremiah 51:53-58


53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
54A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
55Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
56Because the spoiler is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, every one of their bows is broken: for the LORD God of recompences shall surely requite.
57And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts. 58Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary.


I think Babylon is the world and the enticement of riches and fame that the world can give. What do you think??
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Just remember that Babylon (Papacy) is not alone she has children.
Revelation 17:5
(5) And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Revelation 17:2
(2) With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine of her fornication.

 
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Grandpa said:
Rev 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.

I used to think that this referred to the Catholic church. It seemed like a good fit. But now I'm wondering if it is referring to the whole world, as a system. I just finished reading Jeremiah and it is making me think Babylon is a much stronger foe. Babylon was able to remove Gods chosen people from the land.

Jeremiah 51:53-58


53Though Babylon should mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD.
54A sound of a cry cometh from Babylon, and great destruction from the land of the Chaldeans:
55Because the LORD hath spoiled Babylon, and destroyed out of her the great voice; when her waves do roar like great waters, a noise of their voice is uttered:
56Because the spoiler is come upon her, even upon Babylon, and her mighty men are taken, every one of their bows is broken: for the LORD God of recompences shall surely requite.
57And I will make drunk her princes, and her wise men, her captains, and her rulers, and her mighty men: and they shall sleep a perpetual sleep, and not wake, saith the King, whose name is the LORD of hosts. 58Thus saith the LORD of hosts; The broad walls of Babylon shall be utterly broken, and her high gates shall be burned with fire; and the people shall labour in vain, and the folk in the fire, and they shall be weary.


I think Babylon is the world and the enticement of riches and fame that the world can give. What do you think??
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hi Grandpa:

examine the surrounding texts and all references to the great city: she is Jerusalem.
she will soon be running the show (for a little season).
zone.

Revelation 11:8
Their bodies will lie in the street of the great city, which is figuratively called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified.
 
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No. What you are talking about is a "daughter" of babylon. Of course she wrote the babylonian talmud when she was there. where do you think she got her ideas from?

Come on think dude. Stop trying to force reality to your own conclusion to make your belief come true.

Scripture makes it clear. They were dabbling in this stuff LONG before they were taken to babylon. In fact it was because of them "playing the harlot" that got them their in the first place!

Babylon is the religious system that was formed in Babylon. and is still on earth today.

The daughters and sons of the mother are the ones who are playing the harlot with her. The jews, if as you say wrote the talmud is from her" are a daughter. Not the mother.

The mother is the one who :GIVES BIRTH" not the one who is born out of.
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Can a daughter also be a mother?

I'm not disputing that the Babylonian system of modern jews is a daughter of babylon. Thats obvious....its called the BABYLONIAN TALMUD. Their apostate system was refined and perfected there.

That doesnt stop pharisaic apostate judaism and the city of Jerusalem from being the Mother of Harlots.

Are you saying that the Chaldeans are the Mother of Harlots?
 
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Can a daughter also be a mother?

I'm not disputing that the Babylonian system of modern jews is a daughter of babylon. Thats obvious....its called the BABYLONIAN TALMUD. Their apostate system was refined and perfected there.

That doesnt stop pharisaic apostate judaism and the city of Jerusalem from being the Mother of Harlots.

Are you saying that the Chaldeans are the Mother of Harlots?
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The problem with this thinking is that it states the origional "mother" is dead, and is no longer alive. That is not true. Judaism might be a daughter. but the thing she got her harlotry from (the mother) is still alive and kicking!

No not the chaldeans. where do you get this?? where do you think the chaldeans got their harlotry from? they are just another daughter.
 
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watch and see what happens when the WHOLE world speaks one language again.....

Genesis 11

The Tower of Babel

1 Now the whole earth had one language and one speech. 2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east, that they found a plain in the land of Shinar, and they dwelt there. 3 Then they said to one another, “Come, let us make bricks and bake them thoroughly.” They had brick for stone, and they had asphalt for mortar. 4 And they said, “Come, let us build ourselves a city, and a tower whose top is in the heavens; let us make a name for ourselves, lest we be scattered abroad over the face of the whole earth.”
5 But the LORD came down to see the city and the tower which the sons of men had built. 6 And the LORD said, “Indeed the people are one and they all have one language, and this is what they begin to do; now nothing that they propose to do will be withheld from them. 7 Come, let Us go down and there confuse their language, that they may not understand one another’s speech.” 8 So the LORD scattered them abroad from there over the face of all the earth, and they ceased building the city. 9 Therefore its name is called Babel, because there the LORD confused the language of all the earth; and from there the LORD scattered them abroad over the face of all the earth.
 
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The problem with this thinking is that it states the origional "mother" is dead, and is no longer alive. That is not true. Judaism might be a daughter. but the thing she got her harlotry from (the mother) is still alive and kicking!
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Theres a million mothers but only one MOTHER OF HARLOTS. Doesnt matter if her 'mother' is still alive or not...shes the MOTHER OF HARLOTS.

A HARLOT or WHORE is one who cheats ON GOD! You have to be a bride who cheats to be a harlot. Duh! Gods chosen people.

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No not the chaldeans. where do you get this?? where do you think the chaldeans got their harlotry from? they are just another daughter.
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(Isaiah 47:1) Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.

Thats why I'm asking about chaldeans.

So who's the Mother?

Obviously you cant say the RCC now coz they are a daughter so who is it? the chaldeans? pagans? Their mother? WHO?

WHO cheated on God?
 
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Theres a million mothers but only one MOTHER OF HARLOTS. Doesnt matter if her 'mother' is still alive or not...shes the MOTHER OF HARLOTS.

A HARLOT or WHORE is one who cheats ON GOD! You have to be a bride who cheats to be a harlot. Duh! Gods chosen people.
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Nice try. The people who made up this religion where gods people also. The traded him for their false theology. alot of which resembled truth, but was a lie with bits of truth mixed in. And it was here LONG before Israel was formed. And is still here today. sorry you can't admit that!


(Isaiah 47:1) Come down, and sit in the dust, O virgin daughter of Babylon, sit on the ground: there is no throne, O daughter of the Chaldeans: for thou shalt no more be called tender and delicate.
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Thats why I'm asking about chaldeans.

So who's the Mother?

Obviously you cant say the RCC now coz they are a daughter so who is it? the chaldeans? pagans? Their mother? WHO?

WHO cheated on God?
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So you do not think this Babylon mystery did not go with the people when they were scattered? You do not think the priests and priestesses of this system did not leave and go someplace else when Babylon was overthrown and take their apostate religion with them?

Sorry man. I am not going to fail to look at reality to make my belief come true any more than I would misinterpret scripture to make my belief come true.

Do you even know what made up the babylonian philosophy which as odds with God?
 
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MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem.

The Great Whore
 
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MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS
AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH

There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem.

The Great Whore
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I don't see anywhere in that quote the word city. Babylon is a religious system not a city.
 
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There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem. MY MY MY WHAT A JEW HATER!
 
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It says it's a city "And saying, Alas, alas, that great city, that was clothed in fine linen, and purple, and scarlet, and decked with gold, and precious stones, and pearls!"
 
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This is very very interesting Thing! MY BABY>>>> I should do a thread on it!
 
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Oh and Jerusalem is God's chosen city, not satan's. People need to think before they speak if they know anything about scripture.
 
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There is only one CITY on earth where God has chosen to put his NAME – Jerusalem. MY MY MY WHAT A JEW HATER!
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well evidently you've never read the Book of Revelation (or anything else from what i gather).
stop with the slurs please..that's x2 now
thanks.
 
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Oh and Jerusalem is God's chosen city, not satan's. People need to think before they speak if they know anything about scripture.
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He was finished with earthly Jerusalem in 70AD.
Jerusalem which is above is our mother.
 
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Some people Just Drip with Hatred towards Israel on this Forum >>>> very interesting1
 
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