Daniel and Matthews abomination of desolation.

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douggg

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The beast is already healed Doug.
If you understood what it is ,you would know that.
The person does not become the beast until the 7 years begin, around 3 years into it.

The 7 years begin following Gog/Magog. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9-10. The 7 years begin when the person as the
newly anointed King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah of the Jews confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant by having the law read from the temple mount - as instructed by Moses of all future leaders of Israel in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

He later becomes the revealed man of sin (see second chart down below). And shortly thereafter becomes the beast, on that chart as well..



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1.Antichrist sits in the temple (Hypocritical scribes and Pharisees)
2.Mortally wounded(Israel begins to wandering)
3.comes back to life (Israel was founded again)

But my understanding of this time span is not suitable for the Bible.Maybe divide the year by the day.
 

douggg

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1.Antichrist sits in the temple (Hypocritical scribes and Pharisees)
2.Mortally wounded(Israel begins to wandering)
3.comes back to life (Israel was founded again)

But my understanding of this time span is not suitable for the Bible.Maybe divide the year by the day.

Nobody I have ever heard ever disagrees that Matthew 24:30b is Jesus's Second Coming. Highlighted in red.

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Now look at the verses in Ezekiel 39:21-29. Who is speaking in those verses? It is Jesus Himself having returned to this earth, His Second Coming.

21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9 is the 7 years of verses 9-10 in Ezekiel 39, following the Gog/Magog event.

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Gog/Magog, then the 7 years, then Armageddon verses 17-20, then Jesus's Second Coming verses 21-29.
 
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The person does not become the beast until the 7 years begin, around 3 years into it.

The 7 years begin following Gog/Magog. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9-10. The 7 years begin when the person as the
newly anointed King of Israel, thought-to-be messiah of the Jews confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant by having the law read from the temple mount - as instructed by Moses of all future leaders of Israel in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

He later becomes the revealed man of sin (see second chart down below). And shortly thereafter becomes the beast, on that chart as well..



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The beast has already received a deadly wound and has already been healed.You act as though you don't know what it is.
 
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1.Antichrist sits in the temple (Hypocritical scribes and Pharisees)
2.Mortally wounded(Israel begins to wandering)
3.comes back to life (Israel was founded again)

But my understanding of this time span is not suitable for the Bible.Maybe divide the year by the day.
I agree with 2 and 3 but the man of sin isn't the beast.He is a representative of the evangelicals who want to keep Israel(the beast)safe.He gives the beast his armed forces who will practice the authority of the first beast on its behalf.Rev 13
 

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The beast has already received a deadly wound and has already been healed.You act as though you don't know what it is.
The deadly wound to the revealed man of sin does not happen until after the Gog/Magog event.

The actual event is in Ezekiel 28:1-10, with the prince of tyre a code name for the person. God has the revealed man of sin killed for having claimed to achieved God-hood, sitting in the temple reserved from the worship of the One True God.
 
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The deadly wound to the revealed man of sin does not happen until after the Gog/Magog event.

The actual event is in Ezekiel 28:1-10, with the prince of tyre a code name for the person. God has the revealed man of sin killed for having claimed to achieved God-hood, sitting in the temple reserved from the worship of the One True God.
The man of sin isn't the one with a deadly wound.Its the beast that received the deadly wound but that deadly wound has already been healed.
The man of sin is the one who gives a host to the beast by which the daily sacrifice is abolished.You just quoted the scripture the other day and you have forgotten it already.
 

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I would like to know when all the above is going to happen. This year? 7 years from now? or a thousand years from now? If you don't stop this foolishness, you're going to get the Lord so confused, he won't know when he's supposed to return.

You people give me the impression you read the Bible as if it’s a label on a bottle of soda. Maybe you should draw straws to see who's right.
 

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I would like to know when all the above is going to happen. This year? 7 years from now? or a thousand years from now? If you don't stop this foolishness, you're going to get the Lord so confused, he won't know when he's supposed to return.

You people give me the impression you read the Bible as if it’s a label on a bottle of soda. Maybe you should draw straws to see who's right.
Maybe we can cast lots.
 
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I would like to know when all the above is going to happen. This year? 7 years from now? or a thousand years from now? If you don't stop this foolishness, you're going to get the Lord so confused, he won't know when he's supposed to return.

You people give me the impression you read the Bible as if it’s a label on a bottle of soda. Maybe you should draw straws to see who's right.

What is it you would like to know?

The beast from revelation 13 has already been wounded and the deadly wound was healed.
The second beast would appear in Israel next year after Donald Trump is reelected.That is when everyone in Israel will recieve the mark of the beast.Evetyone except the saints there.


Sorry if you were confused.
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I would like to know when all the above is going to happen. This year? 7 years from now? or a thousand years from now? If you don't stop this foolishness, you're going to get the Lord so confused, he won't know when he's supposed to return.

You people give me the impression you read the Bible as if it’s a label on a bottle of soda. Maybe you should draw straws to see who's right.
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I think your off by a year.
I'm pretty sure it's 2028.Trumps final year.
 

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I think your off by a year.
I'm pretty sure it's 2028.Trumps final year.
Okay, let me ask you a question. How have you Scripturally arrived at the year 2028, just curious? You have to have a start point, in order to come to this 2028.
 

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The man of sin isn't the one with a deadly wound.Its the beast that received the deadly wound but that deadly wound has already been healed.
The man of sin is the one who gives a host to the beast by which the daily sacrifice is abolished.You just quoted the scripture the other day and you have forgotten it already.
No, the man of sin does not give a host to the beast. The revealed man of sin IS the same person as the beast.

The host given to the little horn person - will be the EU army, which the little horn will have command over.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

the little horn > becomes the prince shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast.

That's one simple line of foundational eschatology that you should memorize. And build your scenario upon.
 
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Okay, let me ask you a question. How have you Scripturally arrived at the year 2028, just curious? You have to have a start point, in order to come to this 2028.
y start point doesn't start with an actual date.It starts with a person.Daniel 11:7 -The old Gipper was kind of when the Beirut bombing of the marine barracks took place
Also Twa flight 847 was highjacked.The mastermind continued more years than reagon.
Dan 11:11-The first US Iraq war went well.untill the US took its forces away,then sadam.killed about 200,000 people and was just di tickled to remain in power.
Dan 11:13-The US returned ,took the most defences cities,the republican guard was no match.Also took prisoners to Cuba.Dan 12:20-
Obama moves into the white house.didnt invade the middle east but did give us the Obamacare tax.Dan 11:21-Trump moves into the estate.There are certain things I've expected from Trump.A few things he has mentioned doing and one thing I expected him.to do since 2003 ,Move the US embassy to Jerusalem Daniel 11:45.I expect him to give israel an army in his next year.
 
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No, the man of sin does not give a host to the beast. The revealed man of sin IS the same person as the beast.

The host given to the little horn person - will be the EU army, which the little horn will have command over.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.

the little horn > becomes the prince shall come > becomes the Antichrist > becomes the revealed man of sin > becomes the beast.

That's one simple line of foundational eschatology that you should memorize. And build your scenario upon.

Who gives his army to the little horn?

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.


The beast is the receiver,who is the giver?
 
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Okay, let me ask you a question. How have you Scripturally arrived at the year 2028, just curious? You have to have a start point, in order to come to this 2028.
The army will be stationed in Israel for 42 months.That would bring it to 2028.
Revelation 11:2-
Daniel 12:7.
Revelation 13:5
 

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The little horn person emerges to be the leader over a pack of ten EU leaders in Daniel 7:24. It is the ten leaders who's EU military are put under the command of the little horn person. i.e the ten leaders are the ones who give the little horn the host.
 
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The little horn person emerges to be the leader over a pack of ten EU leaders in Daniel 7:24. It is the ten leaders who's EU military are put under the command of the little horn person. i.e the ten leaders are the ones who give the little horn the host.
If that were the case then it would be that little person's daily sacrifice that is abolished.

Daniel 8:12 And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression, and it cast down the truth to the ground; and it practised, and prospered.


Insted,the king of the norths armed forces are given to Israel to abolish Israels daily sacrifices.

Israel is the receiver and the king of the north is the provider.
 
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The little horn person emerges to be the leader over a pack of ten EU leaders in Daniel 7:24. It is the ten leaders who's EU military are put under the command of the little horn person. i.e the ten leaders are the ones who give the little horn the host.

The United states has 100,000 armed forces members in Europe.If Europe is so powerful as you believe,why does the US provide Europe with a host of 100,000?
 

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But most disturbing of all how does someone who will become the antichrist replace America?? Appears like America has gone the way of Rome. Civil war, world war - the possibilities are endless unless Israel just falls out of favor with America?
The American government is going to collapse America on purpose, and that will be the start of the New World Order, one world government.

Republican and Democrat top leaders are working together which is the Hegel System, and they want a one world government that will be a balance between democracy and communism, and a unified religious system that is a balance between atheist and spirituality, which they believe they are evolving to be spiritual, and there is no personal God, which is the new age movement that interprets the Bible and all religions according to the occult and evolution, and people are evolving to be spiritual, and there is no personal God.

America and Russia have been working together the whole time as the 2 opposing forces in the Hegel System which there will be a balance between them for a one world government.

The United Nations supports new age organizations, and is with them as well as Science.

Which Science says humans are not from the earth, and the world needs to prepare for an alien encounter.

Which they believe aliens are going to help mankind have peace, advance, and evolve, which they talk about the return of the gods.

Donald Trump was put in place to increase the fighting between the 2 political parties, and to gain favor, and support of the Republicans to convince them of 3 things that is part of the New World Order plan.

1. To show that the microchip is beneficial to cut down on crime which he said that if they had a biometric system in place to give to all people on temporary visas 911 could of been avoided.

Which when the New Age Christ/antichrist negotiates peace in the Middle East resulting in a peace treaty he will work in the world, and push the agenda of the new age movement.

They will prepare all the cities to move all people in to the cities, and no development can happen outside city limits, and the people become the police force of the cities.

Which is United Nations Agenda 21, a sustainability act which 179 nations agreed to it in 1992, and it is more popular now.

They will give all people a microchip linked to satellite like a GPS tracking system for humans, which they will know their location, and can watch what they do, and if a crime happens they will know who was in the area, and how close they were to the crime scene.

This will cut out judges, lawyers, and the now known police force.

2. To take the vaccine which he said he got the vaccine.

3. To convince them to accept a one world government saying it is the best thing to do seeing the current situation in the world which is all a set up, and scare tactic to scare the people of the world to accept a one world government, and to set the stage for the New Age Christ to negotiate peace.

Trump says he is against a one world government as he tries to gain their trust, and support, but will eventually say he is for a one world government.

Trump is saying he is a Christian, and the USA should only be a Christian nation which is to further gain the trust, and support of the Republicans, and to make Christianity out to look bad being a bully, not tolerant, and being exclusive, which will anger the other religions in America, and anger the religions in the world.

Which is what they want to get as many people as possible to shun Christianity making it easier for them to accept the new age movement.

Donald Trump is part of the new age movement plan as well as Joe Biden, and his daughter who is a Jewish convert, and his son in law, follow the Kabbalah which is an occult, and mystic, interpretation of the Bible like the new age movement, and they were both on his staff.

America must collapse which means their system of democracy, capitalism, the pursuit of money and material things, worldly entertainment, fleshy pleasures, and freedoms, for it is not compatible with the one world government to come.

So they will collapse America before the New Age Christ negotiates peace in the Middle East.

They want to cripple the people physically, mentally, and financially.

It is strange of all the viruses that are coming out, and stronger, and last longer, and higher mortality rate, and fungal disease with a 60% chance of death, and a big outbreak of the measles.

Which it appears they are like mad scientists in a lab creating viruses, and things to cripple the American people for it is strange how all of a sudden all this is happening big time.

The American government at the top level does not care about the people which they believe they are doing the will of nature, and will have no mercy, or compassion, which God said their conscious is seared with a hot iron for they will not feel shame, or guilt, and feel justified for whatever they do no matter how cruel for this is what the will of nature wants them to do as they prepare the world for the next evolutionary step.

But it is all the imagination of their mind them being highly arrogant, and self exalting, which the time will come they will not want to hear the truth of the Bible, but want to hear it according to their own lusts, and be turned on to fables, fantasy.

Like at the flood the imaginations of their heart was only evil continually.

And at the tower of Babel now anything they have imagined to do will not be restrained from them.

And now the new age movement which they believe mind creates reality more real than the world of sense.