Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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Everlasting-Grace

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I answered this in post 273.
Sorry but this post did not answer the question
Look there. No, all Israel, as in the nation of Israel, will never be saved.
God divorced the nation of Israel for spiritual fornication. Any Jews who become saved, become so,
only because they are of the elect. The Israel that will be saved is spiritual Israel not the nation of Israel.
paul said ALL Israel will be saved.

so please do not say all Israel will be saved.

there is NO gentile who is a part of Israel in romans 11. period
 

rogerg

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I just told you

No because they commites sin, Like adultry or murder.

Why can you not seperate personal sins, for the sin of unbelief?

And you wonder why people ignore. you
According to you, if it is a sin, then Jesus paid for it regardless of the sin. Now you are changing your answers.
You said all sin.
 

selahsays

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For God so loved the world, Who is the world

that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him - Did he not die for everyone so that whoever believes?
Isn’t that what I just said? Read John 3:16. The world includes everyone, does it not?
 

rogerg

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Sorry but this post did not answer the question


paul said ALL Israel will be saved.

so please do not say all Israel will be saved.

there is NO gentile who is a part of Israel in romans 11. period
Oh my! What does this mean?

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
 

MerSee

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Wrong. Jesus' death paid the price for ALL sin. His blood was shed for everyone. Otherwise it was ineffective, which is absurd.
The blood of Christ is obviously ineffective for the unelects who choose to believe the wrong doctrine.
 

rogerg

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Isn’t that what I just said? Read John 3:16. The world includes everyone, does it not?
No. It is the world to come. This current world is to be destroyed by God - the world to come is the eternal one because of Christ.
 

selahsays

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The blood of Christ is obviously ineffective for the unelects who choose to believe the wrong doctrine.
Well yes, not everyone will believe. Those who will not believe in Jesus Christ are not Elect.
 

selahsays

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No. It is the world to come. This current world is to be destroyed by God - the world to come is the eternal one because of Christ.
No. because it’s in this earth age (world) that we must believe in our Lord and Savior.
 

MerSee

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That's not what I asked (and you know it). Again... Do you consider yourself to be infallible?
Um

No you do not

Jesus said he DIED FOR THE WORLD

You claim he only DIED for the ELECT.

These two do not match up. And you are calling Jesus a liar

PS. I can scream too..
The whole world Jesus died for is the elect. The elect are the whole world; the unelect are nothing but misery and suffering for all eternity in hell.
 

Johann

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for the Unjust/Nonelect/Unsaved whose names are not written in The Book of Life?

Revelation 21:27
There shall not enter into it any thing defiled, or that worketh abomination or maketh a lie, but they that are written in the book of life of the Lamb
The question of whether Jesus died on the cross for the just/elect/saved whose names are written in the Book of Life is a matter of theological debate. Some Christians believe that Jesus died only for the elect, meaning those who are predestined by God to be saved, while others believe that Jesus died for all people, regardless of their status as elect or non-elect. The debate centers around the interpretation of various biblical passages, such as John 3:16, which states that God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, and Romans 8:28-30, which speaks of those who love God being predestined for conformity to the image of his Son.

Those who believe that Jesus died only for the elect argue that his death was a perfect sacrifice that secured and guaranteed every saving blessing for them. They point to passages such as John 10:11, which speaks of Jesus laying down his life for the sheep, and 2 Timothy 2:10, which speaks of Paul enduring all things for the sake of those who are chosen. They argue that Jesus' death was limited in the sense that he knew for whom he was dying and that his death would ultimately benefit only the elect.

On the other hand, those who believe that Jesus died for all people argue that his death was a perfect sacrifice that can save anyone, but that it only benefits those who believe in Jesus. They point to passages such as Isaiah 53:6, which speaks of the Lord causing the iniquity of us all to fall on him, and 1 John 2:2, which speaks of Jesus being the propitiation for our sins and not just ours, but also for those of the whole world.

In conclusion, the question of whether Jesus died on the cross for the just/elect/saved whose names are written in the Book of Life is a matter of theological debate. Both sides of the debate have biblical support, and ultimately, the answer may depend on one's interpretation of various passages in the Bible.

J.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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According to you, if it is a sin, then Jesus paid for it regardless of the sin. Now you are changing your answers.
You said all sin.
Dude go away

Jesus said he who does not believe is condemned

Did jesus lie?

Answer or go away!
 

MerSee

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That's not what I asked (and you know it). Again... Do you consider yourself to be infallible?
I believe all doctrine which comes from Jesus Christ; yes, all doctrine I believe from Jesus Christ is infallible.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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Oh my! What does this mean?

[Gal 6:15-16 KJV]
15 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
16 And as many as walk according to this rule, peace [be] on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.
what does this have to do with Gods promise to Israel in Gen 12, 15 and 17?
 

rogerg

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No. because it’s in this earth age (world) that we must believe in our Lord and Savior.
Jesus could not have died for this current world if it is going to be destroyed. Had Jesus died for it, because of that, it can't be destroyed -
there would be no judgment against it because by Jesus, it would be sinless.
 

MerSee

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I believe what the Word says and proved it with Scripture. Take a look back at my answers.





Well, you show me the word unelects, chapter and verse in the Word and I will answer that question.
I asked you first.
 

Everlasting-Grace

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The whole world Jesus died for is the elect. The elect are the whole world; the unelect are nothing but misery and suffering for all eternity in hell.
NO

IT DOES NOT SAY ELECT IN JOHN 3

why are you tryign to add to the word a word that is not there ?
 

MerSee

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I know exactly what I said

they are not condemned because they commited personal sins

they are condemned because they did not believe

I never said believe was not a sin, thats what your attributing to me, Because your blame shifting. You do not want to look at what Jesus said
Which SPECIFIC incorrect doctrine of Christ do you believe an unelect can believe and still get to heaven?