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Everlasting-Grace

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Butter chicken with rice... but it was not too spicy... .:D. Heh, why do you ask? .:unsure::ROFL:

I am about to have some cherry pie...

I am on a strict diet to try to reverse my type 2 sugar and high blood pressure.. I can‘t wait to be able to eat pie again!!
 

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I've just had two chicken drum sticks, and a pot noodle.

Nice and easy to do. On my long night shifts.
I had 6 chicken wings, My “carnivore diet” limits me, I have 2 more months of strict no carbs or sugar.. I made it a month, My cravings are starting to die. But wow.. I feel like I am coming of an addiction (although they say carbs and sugar is an addiction).
 
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I am prety sure the tax collector came to the understanding of how dead he was when he got on his knee and cried out for Gods mercy.

He became poor in spirit, and entered the kingdom of God. Through Grace as God adopted him as his son and made him alive based on being justified
People are still able to decipher right from wrong before they receive salvation, and can even rule over sin, according to the old t, there is a scripture where by a person was told he could rule over sin.

So there's something else going on with being saved,

What I would like to know is.

Which sounds best

Everlasting Gods Good will.

Or everlasting unmerited favour.

Saved By God's Good will.

Saved By God's unmerited favour.

Peace and Good will to you.

Peace and unmerited favour to you.
 
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Then theres

Good will and peace to you

Unmerited favour and peace to you.

Which is appreciated 😃
 

Everlasting-Grace

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I'm not saying that at all. I'm saying dead people can't respond to the gospel call. But when they are quickened they are given ears to hear and their eyes to see and understand and they believe the truth about their condition.
Can you read Acts 2:37 and tell me what has taken place?
We need to read in context, see below

37. Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”

1. They were cut to the heart - Their conviction of when they realizes what they did to christ by hanging him on a cross was so deep, and so strong, that it cut into their heart,
2. They asked, what shall we do

38 Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.”
40 And with many other words he testified and exhorted them, saying, “Be saved from this perverse generation.”


1. His response is to repent, To change your view, to confess, to be poor in spirit, To change from a state of unbelief to a state of belief

2. He then told those who did repent to be baptized as an outward testimony of an inward faith

3. He said those who repented would recieve remission of sin and the gift of the spirit (be born again) and this promise is not only to them, but to everyone who would come after (us)

41 Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.

We finally see, those who recieved his word (recieved Christ) were baptized, as peter said asked them to do. Showing they had freely chose to repent and believe
 
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Was king david raised at that time? How about Abraham?
There could be exceptions if that's what your implying.

Difficult to know what you mean here.

Did Abraham receive salvation before the cross or was he saved by faith before the cross, then received salvation after the cross.

Did God do to Abraham what he did to Elisha. There's no Putting God in box, when he decides who is ready to be used and who is not.


Was he saved By a protective hedge before the cross which is something like Gods light shielding them, like the light that shielded lot on the way out off sodom.

Was abraham raised to life before the cross, which could be an exception to the rule, somehow

Well you would have to say so, because the parable of the richman in Lazarus suggests so.
 

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The gift of the Holy Spirit or promise of the Father is experiential and outward and is given as a seal to believers. The indwelling of the Spirit is nonexperiential and must be present for quickening to occur. The first is spoken of in Ephesians 1:13. The latter is spoken of in 1 Corinthians 12:13. It is when we are placed into Christ.
If you are interested to do so, tell me what transpires in Acts 2:37 that leads to verse 38.
They were convicted of their guilt (cut to the heart)

John 16:8
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment
 

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People are still able to decipher right from wrong before they receive salvation, and can even rule over sin, according to the old t, there is a scripture where by a person was told he could rule over sin.

So there's something else going on with being saved,

What I would like to know is.

Which sounds best

Everlasting Gods Good will.

Or everlasting unmerited favour.

Saved By God's Good will.

Saved By God's unmerited favour.

Peace and Good will to you.

Peace and unmerited favour to you.
They would both be the same

Unmerited is Gods good will being given to you at his expense..
 

Everlasting-Grace

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There could be exceptions if that's what your implying.

Difficult to know what you mean here.

Did Abraham receive salvation before the cross or was he saved by faith before the cross, then received salvation after the cross.

Did God do to Abraham what he did to Elisha. There's no Putting God in box, when he decides who is ready to be used and who is not.


Was he saved By a protective hedge before the cross which is something like Gods light shielding them, like the light that shielded lot on the way out off sodom.

Was abraham raised to life before the cross, which could be an exception to the rule, somehow

Well you would have to say so, because the parable of the richman in Lazarus suggests so.
The point is, those people who were raised, died again, They are not walking the earth today.

Their physical bodies were ressurected, like Lazarus was, and the man’s daughter was
 
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There could be exceptions if that's what your implying.

Difficult to know what you mean here.

Did Abraham receive salvation before the cross or was he saved by faith before the cross, then received salvation after the cross.

Did God do to Abraham what he did to Elisha. There's no Putting God in box, when he decides who is ready to be used and who is not.


Was he saved By a protective hedge before the cross which is something like Gods light shielding them, like the light that shielded lot on the way out off sodom.

Was abraham raised to life before the cross, which could be an exception to the rule, somehow

Well you would have to say so, because the parable of the richman in Lazarus suggests so.
No,

I see God reveals himself in many ways, In nature, In the universe, In his people. I also see God knowing who will react to his message and making sure he gets the the word, and help they need to make the decision. But I also know he helps people who sadly he knows will never Recieve him also (see israel)
It's important to remember that when Jesus started his ministry he also started to save people.

Such as casting out demons.

Such as teaching faith


Such as choosing people to be his church.

Such as healing people.

Such as teaching people to pray.

Such as raising the dead.

The question is where they saved by salvation or something else.
 

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It's important to remember that when Jesus started his ministry he also started to save people.

Such as casting out demons.

Such as teaching faith


Such as choosing people to be his church.

Such as healing people.

Such as teaching people to pray.

Such as raising the dead.

The question is where they saved by salvation or something else.
Depends on the context.

those he physically healed where healed of their sickness

those who were spiritually healed were saved from the penalty of sin.
 

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No they are not both the same,

It's quite clearly saved by God's Good will, and not God's unmerited favour.


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Thanks for your opinion. But I disagree.

Charis (the greek word). Means grace, kindness, good will, favor, a gift, free benevolence, what is pleasing, pleasureable

Grace can be a good thing, a gift or favor given on someone that was not earned, based solely on your pleasure.

grace can be used in a bad way, a charismatic person can spread his false teachings just by his speach being pleasing or pleasurable

Anyway, Grace means favor and it also means good will.. so again, it is both the same
 

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I had 6 chicken wings, My “carnivore diet” limits me, I have 2 more months of strict no carbs or sugar.. I made it a month, My cravings are starting to die. But wow.. I feel like I am coming of an addiction (although they say carbs and sugar is an addiction).
Am doing strict carnivore also brother...I have type 2 but it is in remission...Done Keto for 18 months , now eating only beef , butter , bacon and eggs...Next bloods in one month...Losing stored fat , so much health issues gone , I am delighted...Have you watched DR M Berry on YouTube , he is amazing , and fighting for doctors to introduce Keto/Carnivore...
 
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Depends on the context.

those he physically healed where healed of their sickness

those who were spiritually healed were saved from the penalty of sin.
So there saved when they confessed before the resurrection then.

So they where saved by mercy because they confessed there sin.
 
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I have it.

I have favor from God, And I did not merit it.

Do you have it? Or are you trying to merit your salvation?
No you can't keep falling back on a works based Salvation, friend, thats putting God in a box, there's no such thing buddy.

There is the works of Gods children to lead you to the cross tho.
 
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I have it.

I have favor from God, And I did not merit it.

Do you have it? Or are you trying to merit your salvation?
you did not merit it, would imply you where saved by an unmerited favor.

Why Should God's good will equate to unmerited favor.

You did not deserve it, and God Good will decided to save you before you received salvation.
 

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Am doing strict carnivore also brother...I have type 2 but it is in remission...Done Keto for 18 months , now eating only beef , butter , bacon and eggs...Next bloods in one month...Losing stored fat , so much health issues gone , I am delighted...Have you watched DR M Berry on YouTube , he is amazing , and fighting for doctors to introduce Keto/Carnivore...
A friend of min introduced me to Dr Berry, He is the reason I am doing this. My sugar went way High and the doctor said I must do something.

I get my first blood work here in a few weeks. I am praying.. I eat 4 eggs for breakfast most days..lol. I am the same, only I add chicken and some fish.. Are you doing the salt drinks? I am trying LMNT, I get cramps all the time due to lack of minerals.