Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

Its the elect, the word especially just clarifies who God is the Saviour of.

Its the greek word malista :

1. especially, chiefly, most of all, above all

most (in the greatest degree) or particularly

in a particular manner; specifically

Notice it says , (comma) and especially...
You seriously need to learn the English language.

It clearly shows ALL HUMANS (, comma) and especially the Humans that believe!!

"""who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe”"" 1 Tim. 4:10

Notice 2 types of people God is speaking about here.

 

[brightfame52]

Romans 1:19 because the known of God is manifest among them, for God has revealed it to them

You cannot be depraved if God is revealing Himself to you.

Thats natural creation, man knows there is a God of creation, but they still become idolaters,

Nothing to do with Spiritual revelation which comes through Christ only, not creation Matt 11 27

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Jn 17

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You desperate grasping at straws lol

 

[brightfame52]

Notice it says , (comma) and especially...
You seriously need to learn the English language.

It clearly shows ALL HUMANS and (, comma) especially the Humans that believe!!

"""who is the Savior of all men, and especially of those who believe”"" 1 Tim. 4:10

Notice 2 types of people God is speaking about here.

Didnt I just deal with that

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Thats natural creation, man knows there is a God of creation, but they still become idolaters,

Nothing to do with Spiritual revelation which comes through Christ only, not creation Matt 11 27

27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

Jn 17

3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

You desperate grasping at straws lol

The fact that what you post goes against Bible Scholars tells me you don't know anything at all.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Didnt I just deal with that

You are no one anyone should listen to.

 

[Cameron143]

You keep asking this so there is no question that you believe the sins of the lost' are left unpaid. However, the introduction of Isaiah 55 begins with an invitation to the needy (and, spiritually, isn't that is all the world?), "“Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you without money, come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost! " And verse 3 directs those whom are thirsty, "Incline your ear and come to Me; listen, so that your soul may live." So, it seems that one can buy without money, but that is not that there is actually nothing to pay, as there is attention, and respect of the invitation (might this be alluding to the same as putting on our wedding clothes? ).

Isaiah 55 is no different than Acts 2. The offer of salvation was given to all and a response was called for. Acts 2, however, explains what occurs in those who do respond. It accentuates the activity of God that produces the responses in man. There is always a response from man, but there isn't always a saving response, which is seldom considered.

Where I believe many err is they focus on the choices of men irrespective of the activity of God. If God is the author of faith, then it follows that He is its cause.

 

[brightfame52]

Isaiah 55 is no different than Acts 2. The offer of salvation was given to all and a response was called for. Acts 2, however, explains what occurs in those who do respond. It accentuates the activity of God that produces the responses in man. There is always a response from man, but there isn't always a saving response, which is seldom considered.

Where I believe many err is they focus on the choices of men irrespective of the activity of God. If God is the author of faith, then it follows that He is its cause.

No such thing as a offer of salvation, thats myth, folklore

 

[Cameron143]

Yes!

It is when there's a provision in place. Jesus said we just need to Believe. If you do not believe then you fail to meet that provision.

Unbelief is part of what was paid for. Either debt is paid for or not.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Unbelief is part of what was paid for. Either debt is paid for or not.

That's why I use the term "Free Will." You just described it. You can only not believe by choice. Today, everyone has heard about Jesus. Those who do not follow are those that say that is fake news. They have made a choice.

 

[Cameron143]

No such thing as a offer of salvation, thats myth, folklore

Technically correct, but @Mem was merely meaning a universal call.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

If God is the author of faith, then it follows that He is its cause.

Heb12:2 states that Jesus is "the author [/prince, captain, chief leader - G747] and finisher [/completer, consummator - G5051] of THE FAITH..." ("THE faith" being "THAT BODY OF TRUTH" [not speaking of "personal" faith--trust/belief/etc])

-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/heb/12/2/p0/t_concif_1145002

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

The offer of Salvation that is factually in the Bible
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Notice, we don't just HEAR the Voice of Jesus but we also MUST OPEN THE DOOR.

 

[TheDivineWatermark]

the introduction of Isaiah 55 begins with an invitation to the needy (and, spiritually, isn't that is all the world?), "“Come, all you who are thirsty, come to the waters; and you without money, come, buy, and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without cost! " And verse 3 directs those whom are thirsty, "Incline your ear and come to Me; listen, so that your soul may live."

Nice!




Reminds me of the following verse also:

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. [notice they are both saying this]

And let him that heareth say, Come.

And let him that is athirst come.

And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

--Rev22:17

 

[brightfame52]

Unbelief is part of what was paid for. Either debt is paid for or not.

Correct, Christs redemptive death redeems out of unbelief, because it redeems from all iniquity Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

In order to be zealous of good works they were given Faith to become a believer

 

[Cameron143]

Heb12:2 states that Jesus is "the author [/prince, captain, chief leader - G747] and finisher [/completer, consummator - G5051] of THE FAITH..." ("THE faith" being "THAT BODY OF TRUTH" [not speaking of "personal" faith--trust/belief/etc])

-- https://www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/heb/12/2/p0/t_concif_1145002

That makes Him the author and finisher of the faith, not our faith.
But even if it is as you say, it doesn't change or negate what I shared. Faith comes by hearing and hearing is an operation of God and not men.

 

[Cameron143]

The offer of Salvation that is factually in the Bible
20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me.

Notice, we don't just HEAR the Voice of Jesus but we also MUST OPEN THE DOOR.

Must or will?
Revelation 3:20 is addressed to saved people who can hear. It is not an evangelical call. It is an instruction for believers.

 

[Cameron143]

Nice!




Reminds me of the following verse also:

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. [notice they are both saying this]

And let him that heareth say, Come.

And let him that is athirst come.

And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely."

--Rev22:17

Again, the qualification of hearing.

 

[jamessb]

Those scriptures' are about Gods elect. Thats it, and they are saved. All mankind wasnt Gods elect, Jesus never knew them Matt 7:23

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Sorry, but you are wrong. Should I believe what the Bible clearly says or your theory?

I gave you the appropriate verses above. If you don't believe what they say, there is nothing more to discuss.

 

[jamessb]

No such thing as a offer of salvation, thats myth, folklore

John 3:16-18, "For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him. The one who believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God."

That clearly shows that there is a choice! 1) Believe in Christ and have eternal life or 2) do not believe in Christ and be condemned.

It's that simple! Why is this even being discussed???

 

[brightfame52]

That's why I use the term "Free Will." You just described it. You can only not believe by choice. Today, everyone has heard about Jesus. Those who do not follow are those that say that is fake news. They have made a choice.

Those who Christ died for cant not believe, His death converts them to believers. So they have not a choice to not believe. And the ones who dont believe the word, they have no choice to believe, they were appointed to disobey the word 1 Pet 2:7-8

7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,

8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto[to that end] also they were appointed.