Predestination is misunderstood...

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I hope by reading my post you "do not think" I am claiming Adam and Eve were God?
I thought my post was pretty evident that I am tying what the serpent said to what God said and it's just using scripture to reference scripture. I am always leery when a post is plainly clear that it's just scripture referencing scripture but someone thinks there's a lesson to be taught as if the poster did not know any such difference. I have to question the rebuke of someone who is incapable of discerning. It reveals a lack of spiritual wisdom and a clear lack of the Gifts of the Spirit of God.
God made man in his own image。The meaning of this sentence is not only that human beings have one head, two arms and two legs.
It is that we should catch up with God's knowledge and wisdom in wisdom.
Just as human beings can make mobile phones with technology.This is similar to the magic of God or power of God.
But the difference is that we need to study and learn.
Like Fortune-telling belongs to the knowledge of heaven..For some reason, it was taught to mankind by angels.
Like Sodoma and Gomorrah were destroyed by God.Humans have mastered similar abilities, nuclear weapons.Even if it was meteorites that destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah.Over time, humans can do it, too.
But God has not restricted mankind from acquiring such ability.But human beings have chosen to stand with God or with the devil.
 

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God made man in his own image。The meaning of this sentence is not only that human beings have one head, two arms and two legs.
It is that we should catch up with God's knowledge and wisdom in wisdom.
Just as human beings can make mobile phones with technology.This is similar to the magic of God or power of God.
But the difference is that we need to study and learn.
Like Fortune-telling belongs to the knowledge of heaven..For some reason, it was taught to mankind by angels.
Like Sodoma and Gomorrah were destroyed by God.Humans have mastered similar abilities, nuclear weapons.Even if it was meteorites that destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah.Over time, humans can do it, too.
But God has not restricted mankind from acquiring such ability.But human beings have chosen to stand with God or with the devil.
Thank You for clarifying. Sometimes when we read a response it's a short version to what someone is thinking in a longer version.
 

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Adam was not deceived...
I believe you jumped too fast on that one.

Adam was not deceived as far as knowing the command by the serpent was wrong.

But, the point I made, was that Adam did not know it was Satan speaking via the serpent.
Two different deceptions....

Easy to miss....
 

Magenta

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I believe you jumped too fast on that one.

Adam was not deceived as far as knowing the command by the serpent was wrong.

But, the point I made, was that Adam did not know it was Satan speaking via the serpent.
Two different deceptions....

Easy to miss....
I believe Adam was not deceived, as Scripture says.
 
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God made man in his own image。The meaning of this sentence is not only that human beings have one head, two arms and two legs.
It is that we should catch up with God's knowledge and wisdom in wisdom.
Just as human beings can make mobile phones with technology.This is similar to the magic of God or power of God.
But the difference is that we need to study and learn.
Like Fortune-telling belongs to the knowledge of heaven..For some reason, it was taught to mankind by angels.
Like Sodoma and Gomorrah were destroyed by God.Humans have mastered similar abilities, nuclear weapons.Even if it was meteorites that destroyed Sodoma and Gomorrah.Over time, humans can do it, too.
But God has not restricted mankind from acquiring such ability.But human beings have chosen to stand with God or with the devil.
I do wish people would get this right.


Genesis 1:26

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26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.

The word says our image.

It doesn't say Gods own image.

It says in likeness to our image

It doesn't say in likeness to God's own image.

Please notice the word our.

Please also notice, making a creation in our image, is an image made up of more than person.

It can't be an image of God only.

It has to be an image that they all see.

Which makes it a created image. as in a picture. And a likeness to that pictures. Which means they all agree and like that picture in there likeness. Or image

Which means they all have to have likeness for that image
 

Genez

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Balaam probably thought the same .:unsure:;):giggle:
God used Balaam's ass to reach Balaam who was in a spiritually psychotic state.
Interesting to just learn this morning from my pastor that the ass actually spoke in a very eloquent form of Hebrew.

God was getting the insane Balaam to hear with what was fitting for his insanity.

I assure you...

Balaam's ass was the great great great great great great grandfather of Mr. Ed.

The angels sang the following theme song while watching Balaam going through his actions...

(sung to the theme song of Mr Ed)

A horse is a horse, and not an ass of course!
Unless that ass was high class, and meant for the course!

And if that ass wasssssss the?

Great great great great great great great grandfather..

of the amazing Mr. Ed!!!

:unsure: it went sumthin like dat...
 

Genez

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I believe Adam was not deceived, as Scripture says.
So you think Adam knew about Satan already?
How could he? Adam had no knowledge of good and evil yet.

Well...
Adam knew the command was wrong to do.
He was not deceived there.

But, you are saying that Adam knew it was invisible Satan speaking through the serpent???
That's a whole nother form of deception, different from the first one that was counted against him.

:whistle: :coffee::coffee::coffee:
 

Genez

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2 Tim 2:15 Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs notto be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

Let's not hand over to others our responsibility to listen to God and learn from Him.
God gave us pastor teachers to give us what we are to hear and learn from.... Ephesians 4:11-12

When its done right!

 

Magenta

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So you think Adam knew about Satan already?
How could he? Adam had no knowledge of good and evil yet.

Well...
Adam knew the command was wrong to do.
He was not deceived there.

:whistle: :coffee::coffee::coffee:
What Adam did or did not know about Satan we are not told. I would, however, say that Adam
and Eve knew good in knowing God. The evil they came to know was in their disobedience, in
deciding for themselves, the way they would go = against the counsel and command of God.


But, you are saying that Adam knew it was invisible Satan speaking through the serpent???
That's a whole nother form of deception, different from the first one that was counted against him.
I said no such thing.
 
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So you think Adam knew about Satan already?
How could he? Adam had no knowledge of good and evil yet.

Well...
Adam knew the command was wrong to do.
He was not deceived there.

But, you are saying that Adam knew it was invisible Satan speaking through the serpent???
That's a whole nother form of deception, different from the first one that was counted against him.

:whistle: :coffee::coffee::coffee:
Well it's so easy to believe something that fits, but the truth is scripture does not say Satan was the serpent in the garden

So your whole premise is based on an idea based on different scripture.

The bible tells children of God to be as wise as serpents, on that note is God telling you to be as wise as satan.

Oh and then theres two scriptures that suggest satan fell after fall, I bet you know which scriptures they are.
 
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I do wish people would get this right.


Genesis 1:26

New International Version



26 Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals,[a] and over all the creatures that move along the ground.

The word says our image.

It doesn't say Gods own image.

It says in likeness to our image

It doesn't say in likeness to God's own image.

Please notice the word our.

Please also notice, making a creation in our image, is an image made up of more than person.

It can't be an image of God only.

It has to be an image that they all see.

Which makes it a created image. as in a picture. And a likeness to that pictures. Which means they all agree and like that picture in there likeness. Or image

Which means they all have to have likeness for that image
"Our image" here is clearly meaning the father , son and holy spirit.
I hope You don't want to hint at Gnosticism.
 
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"Our image" here is clearly meaning the father , son and holy spirit.
I hope You don't want to hint at Gnosticism.
It's says in our image it doesn't say in a Gnosticism image. You said in God's own image.

Its says in our image.