Predestination is misunderstood...

[Mem]

"...ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye."
There goes the I, which only leaves Calvinists only with TULP.

 

[sawdust]

God sends the Gospel to them who are already regenerated with a new heart

If they are regenerated they are already alive and saved from death and don't need the Gospel.

 

[Thunderrr-mental]

If the one who keeps giving you warnings does not lead you to sound doctrinal teachers?
Then what?

I am not saying its not God.
But that can not be known until you find yourself being led to good teachers.. which are few to be found.

you cant help but throw an insult in with every single comment you make towards me can you..



Your the one who is listening to satan your comments clearly illustrated satan.
Which is


False accusations.

Turning a blessing into a curse

Baring false witness

Telling lies

Striping people of God

Being mean hearted

Not taking correction

Meaningless apolagies

Siting hatred.

All of these characteristics are of the devil

Your listening to them and portraying them in every post you make to me

It's you who need help

But it ain't no pastor that will save you


Because you would not listen anyway


But anyhow I've had Enough of your abuse.

Ànd I'm cutting you off for good.

Goodbye

 

[Genez]

you cant help but throw an insult in with every single comment you make towards me can you..



Your the one who is listening to satan your comments clearly illustrated satan.
Which is


False accusations.

Turning a blessing into a curse

Baring false witness

Telling lies

Striping people of God

Being mean hearted

Not taking correction

Meaningless apolagies

Siting hatred.

All of these characteristics are of the devil

Your listening to them and portraying them in every post you make to me

It's you who need help

But it ain't no pastor that will save you


Because you would not listen anyway


But anyhow I've had Enough of your abuse.

Ànd I'm cutting you off for good.

Goodbye

That means?

I must have been correct then...

bye!

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

Rabbit trail

For you it is because when the absolute Truth is presented to you there's no place for you to hide from it.

 

[Genez]

"
There goes the I, which only leaves Calvinists only with TULP.

"TULP Fiction."

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

"TULP Fiction."

I went to a local Christian Bookstore to buy this edition. Looked everywhere for it from inspirational, sound doctrine, to even the children's section and finally had to ask for help. They led me to the spiritually dead section and on every shelf you could find multiple copies.

p.s. Joking!

 

[maxamir]

That all refers to all those of whom God knew would choose to believe when given the grace to make their souls free to believe.
And not only to believe. But, to be predestined by God to be born in the church age, so that they would be found 'in Christ' when God determined they would believe. For we are now 'in Christ' like Eve was 'in Adam' before she was revealed.

We will be revealed in the resurrection of the Church as the Bride of Christ. For then we shall be "bone of his bones and flesh of His glorious body.... Just like Eve was bone of Adam's bone and flesh of Adam's flesh...

That is what we have been Chosen "in Him" for.

God indeed knew who would believe on Him because He chose to grant them that belief as a gift of grace.

To say as many false do, that God chose those He foresaw were going to choose Him is post-destination and not predestination.

Scripture confirms that God chose His people before they were born or could do anything.

Rom 9:11 (for the children not yet being born, nor having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works but of Him who calls),

 

[maxamir]

John 3:16

16 Οὕτως
16 Thus



γὰρ
for



ἠγάπησεν
loved



ὁ
-



Θεὸς
God



τὸν
the



κόσμον
world-universe

^
Same word John uses in John 3:16 and 1 John 2:2

κοσμου
of world-universe

you are confirming your ignorance by not reading that there are many different uses of the word kosmos and not all relate to every single person without exception.

The work kosmos is used in the verse below but does that mean that every single person in the world followed Christ?

Joh 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

you are confirming your ignorance by not reading that there are many different uses of the word kosmos and not all relate to every single person without exception.

The work kosmos is used in the verse below but does that mean that every single person in the world followed Christ?

Joh 12:19 The Pharisees therefore said among themselves, "You see that you are accomplishing nothing. Look, the world has gone after Him!"

Paul confirms my words it means creation:

Romans 8:
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it,

21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

 

[sawdust]

Scripture confirms that God chose His people before they were born or could do anything.

No-one argues God chose us. He chose us to conform to His Son. He chose us to be adopted as His children. He chose us to have eternal life. What He did not choose was who would believe His word as true. He extended His grace to ensure we could make that decision of our own will, not His.

If what you say were true, then the Lord is doing the lousiest of jobs keeping that up because if He really chooses what we believe, then we should all believe the same thing.

 

[maxamir]

As my Dad would say, You're kind of Special, aren't ya?

We have all stated as the Bible states from Paul's Letter, “In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it, to the praise of his glory.”

We HEARD the Gospel, Believed, Sealed with the Holy Spirit.
or
"Faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God”


Luke wrote it this way, 44 While Peter was still saying these things, the Holy Spirit fell on all who heard the word.

Hearing the Gospel is what initiates the Holy Spirit.


NOWHERE in the Bible does it say what the Reformed claim...NOWHERE!

It's always HEARING first then the Holy Spirit.

It is the Holy Spirit that uses the Word of God as the means to open up the eyes of the blind to see and to teach and guide into all truth (John 14:26, 16:13) just as He did to Lydia below.

Act 16:14 Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.

Christ said that no one can even see the Kingdom of God unless they have first been born again (John 3:3) How can someone therefore choose something they can not even see?

 

[maxamir]

I am denying that you know the Word of God since most of your answers include attachments of the words/quotes/opinions of men, and none of GOD!

If you believe the quotes from these godly men are unbiblical then it is your duty to show where they are wrong but I do not see you doing this.

 

[maxamir]

Then God holds people to a higher standard of having to love our enemies and requires more of us than what God Himself does, that makes no sense in my book nor from a scriptural point of view.

God is Love, Life and Light those are His nouns, God acts to protect people from themselves and to bring forth His plan and not out of hate, that is ridiculous.

God commands His people to reflect the love that was shown to them while they were His enemies but is under no obligation to love all of His enemies especially those He has not chosen to love. We do not know who God has chosen to love therefore we are to be obedient and love all, even our enemies to glorify the love that God had shown to us.

God loves those who love Him and they only do so because He first loved them (Pro 8:17, 1 Jn 4:19).

God is indeed love and He loves justice just as much as He loves His people and the greatest display of both is seen at the cross where Christ satisfied divine justice in order to grant righteous mercy to His people and not to those He justly hates.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

It is the Holy Spirit that uses the Word of God as the means to open up the eyes of the blind to see and to teach and guide into all truth (John 14:26, 16:13) just as He did to Lydia below.

Act 16:14 Now a certain woman named Lydia heard us. She was a seller of purple from the city of Thyatira, who worshiped God. The Lord opened her heart to heed the things spoken by Paul.

Christ said that no one can even see the Kingdom of God unless they have first been born again (John 3:3) How can someone therefore choose something they can not even see?

Nothing happens until you first HEAR the Gospel.

 

[maxamir]

"Supremely" sovereign, being sovereign is not superlative enough?

many people deny God's sovereignty and therefore the word supreme adds to the extent of His sovereignty and that He is LORD over all.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

If you believe the quotes from these godly men are unbiblical then it is your duty to show where they are wrong but I do not see you doing this.

Who said they are godly?
YOU?
Who are YOU again?

 

[maxamir]

Paul confirms my words it means creation:

Romans 8:
20 For the creation was subjected to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who subjected it,

21 in hope that the creation itself shall be freed from the bondage of corruption into the liberty of the glory of the children of God.

you therefore serve a frustrated, impotent God not found in Scripture, who is not able to free people from such bondage as the whole kosmos besides His elect are still under the sway of the god of this world, Satan.

Scripture says otherwise.

Mat 1:21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."

 

[sawdust]

Christ said that no one can even see the Kingdom of God unless they have first been born again (John 3:3) How can someone therefore choose something they can not even see?

How can one choose to reject what they cannot see? If God does not show them, it is the Lord who is at fault. But we are shown in Romans 1 that God does indeed make them see, yet there are some who reject Him outright, long before the Gospel even has a chance to be presented.

 

[FollowerofShiloh]

you therefore serve a frustrated, impotent God not found in Scripture, who is not able to free people from such bondage as the whole kosmos besides His elect are still under the sway of the god of this world, Satan.

Scripture says otherwise.

Mat 1:21 And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."

Those are Jews, His People.

Jesus even said He only came for the Jews but then later He mentioned the Gentiles. But when this was Prophesied is for JEWS only.