Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

[FollowerofShiloh]

Not the ones of another fold.

Correct. Verses 2/3 fulfill: He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”

 

[Mem]

Salvation and righteousness are both gifts in the scripture.

Sure, since none of us can procure righteousness on our own merit. But scripture says that Abraham's faith was counted for righteousness. That is, in lieu of righteousness, God considers faith (in Christ) as sufficient to be counted aas righteousness.

 

[MerSee]

Sure, since none of us can procure righteousness on our own merit. But scripture says that Abraham's faith was counted for righteousness. That is, in lieu of righteousness, God considers faith (in Christ) as sufficient to be counted aas righteousness.

Correct faith.

 

[PaulThomson]

This makes no sense
Jesus told many. You do not hear because you do not believe

Really. That's news to me. Where did he say this?

 

[PaulThomson]

John 6:28,29
Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

The word "that" underlined is "hina"and means in order that, so that. The text is not saying that the work of God is believing on him whom God hath sent.
It is saying that something mentioned earlier is the work of God, and the purpose of that work is to enable people to believe on Him whom God sent.

The work mentioned earlier is " Labour... for the food that endures to aeonous life." We are to labour to be in a position to hear the word of God, so that we may believe on Him whom God sent.

 

[PaulThomson]

PaulThomson said:
"We are saved by grace through faith" This is not of ourselves. It is the gift of God.

If that we are saved by grace through faith [in Christ] is not of ourselves, what more could it be referring to as being not from us, other than the idea of God saving us by grace through faith? What do you have in mind?

Salvation isn't an idea. It has reality. The same with grace and faith. The idea of each did originate with God, but so does the reality of them. In other words, the idea of salvation isn't the gift; the reality of salvation is the gift.

For this (salvation by grace through faith) to be "of ourselves" it would have to begin as our own idea, before God had the idea. God would have to get the idea from us for it to be of ourselves.

 

[Cameron143]

PaulThomson said:
"We are saved by grace through faith" This is not of ourselves. It is the gift of God.

If that we are saved by grace through faith [in Christ] is not of ourselves, what more could it be referring to as being not from us, other than the idea of God saving us by grace through faith? What do you have in mind?



For this (salvation by grace through faith) to be "of ourselves" it would have to begin as our own idea, before God had the idea. God would have to get the idea from us for it to be of ourselves.

I have no problem with the idea of salvation originating with God. I must have misunderstood your post.

 

[Mem]

Correct faith.

I'm not shipwrecking, you siren of MerSee, you, shepherding only yourself.

 

[Mem]

Salvation by grace through faith, and that is faith in God and not in ourselves, as much as anyone would like to argue differently.

 

[7thMoon]

Really. That's news to me. Where did he say this?

I don't hear him, because he is not in this realm. It must mean that I am damned.

 

[7thMoon]

Salvation by grace through faith, and that is faith in God and not in ourselves, as much as anyone would like to argue differently.

Salvation is the gift in Ephesians 2:8 not faith. There is some myth that faith, an act of free will, is a gift of God.

 

[Everlasting-Grace]

Really. That's news to me. Where did he say this?

John 6: 62 What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? 63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. 64 But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. 6

 

[Mem]

Salvation and righteousness are both gifts in the scripture.

When people insist on correcting what they perceive as my error... are only revealing that that they can see twat.

 

[Cameron143]

When people insist on correcting what they perceive as my error... are only revealing that that they can see twat.

I twat I taw a putty tat.

 

[Mem]

I that I taw a putty tat.

Lift up your eyes.

 

[Niki7]

Salvation is the gift in Ephesians 2:8 not faith. There is some myth that faith, an act of free will, is a gift of God.

Perhaps your understanding is clouded as you state you are unsure of your faith.

We, who ARE sure of our faith, understand that we are saved through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[HeIsHere]

Salvation is the gift in Ephesians 2:8 not faith. There is some myth that faith, an act of free will, is a gift of God.

Agree this particular text does not support faith being a gift from God, having stated this it neither an act of the will.

 

[Niki7]

But the other fold tells us they aren't Jews. So who are they?

Well who do you think or are you asking cause you don't know

 

[Cameron143]

Well who do you think or are you asking cause you don't know

It's Gentiles.
The question arose in a discussion about John 10.

 

[7thMoon]

Perhaps your understanding is clouded as you state you are unsure of your faith.

We, who ARE sure of our faith, understand that we are saved through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ.

Are you saved, being saved, or to be completely saved? According to James White, it isn't about the prevention of death, but about the afterlife. Perhaps, it isn't my faith/trust, but others misfaith in things unnecessary.