Did Jesus Die on The Cross for The Just/Elect/Saved Whose Names Are Written in The Book of Life OR

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FollowerofShiloh

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And you were taught wrong! I know what the PURPOSES of the Mosaic Law Covenant were. And I can support each of them with scripture. I'll let you go first, sir. Give it your best shot and make certain you can support your position with scriptures, otherwise don't waste my time.
Are you trying to say how the Law is designed to help man keep focused upon God by keeping them faithful to God, help man to improve, help man to live by faith, help man to understand the moral character of God there's more?

Paull wrote
15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
Which is what I have been saying in bits n pieces.

I also added the teachings of Abraham.

So what's this mysterious revelation you think you have that no Jew has, other than Jesus concerning the Law?
 

Rufus

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Works of the law is simply law enforcement. Law enforcement does not justify a man, but faith does. I would say it is not a dichotomy even.
What are talking about "law enforcement"? :rolleyes: The works of the law are doing its requirements.
 

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Are you trying to say how the Law is designed to help man keep focused upon God by keeping them faithful to God, help man to improve, help man to live by faith, help man to understand the moral character of God there's more?

Paull wrote
15 For the law brings wrath, but where there is no law there is no transgression.
Which is what I have been saying in bits n pieces.

I also added the teachings of Abraham.

So what's this mysterious revelation you think you have that no Jew has, other than Jesus concerning the Law?
Yeah, fragmented, disjointed, detached, incoherent "pieces".

As I said previously, if you think you know the purposes of the Law, then tells us with with biblical proof.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Yeah, fragmented, disjointed, detached, incoherent "pieces".

As I said previously, if you think you know the purposes of the Law, then tells us with with biblical proof.
If you knew the truth then you would have recognized fragmented parts for what they meant.
 

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How can God "[love] us all" when he hates all sinners? Did God love Esau whom he rejected from participating in his covenant?
Yes God did. Esau in Genesis is revealed God was still good to him, When Jacob was worried about it. Even Cain, though God warned him about it. And even continued with mercy to Cain afterwards
Sorry it seems to not be understood by you, God for me knows what is best for me and everyone else too. I believe God over even me myself flesh selfishness, learning this daily Daddy knows best I believe Jeremiah 29:11 and see the results after going through many adversities first even death willingly as Jesus did that first in trust to Father for us all to choose now too. Hoping you have chosen and see what born new is in God's spirit and Truth, if not love you anyways
 
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What are talking about "law enforcement"? :rolleyes: The works of the law are doing its requirements.
No, it is not. Since the law is in the genitive/possessive case in Greek, the law does the work.
 

Rufus

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Yes God did. Esau in Genesis is revealed God was still good to him, When Jacob was worried about it. Even Cain, though God warned him about it. And even continued with mercy to Cain afterwards
Sorry it seems to not be understood by you, God for me knows what is best for me and everyone else too. I believe God over even me myself flesh selfishness, learning this daily Daddy knows best I believe Jeremiah 29:11 and see the results after going through many adversities first even death willingly as Jesus did that first in trust to Father for us all to choose now too. Hoping you have chosen and see what born new is in God's spirit and Truth, if not love you anyways
God is "good" to sinners and saints alike. The former by common grace, and the latter by saving grace. This does not mean that God loves sinners as his children. Moreover, you conveniently overlook the fact that God "hated" Esau in eternity BEFORE he did anything good or bad. This means in eternity Esau was predestined to be condemned as a reprobate, whereas Jacob was predestined unto election -- also in eternity BEFORE he did anything good or bad.
 

FollowerofShiloh

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I don't do jigsaw puzzles or speak Riddlease.
Possibly not because you're too busy "cherry picking" verses out of Biblical text context to fit your personal agenda you call the Reformed doctrine.
 

Rufus

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Possibly not because you're too busy "cherry picking" verses out of Biblical text context to fit your personal agenda you call the Reformed doctrine.
Yeah...funny how that works. I'm damned if I do (i.e. offer biblical texts as proof) and damned if I don't (because then I'm just relying on my opinion based on John Calvin, or Martin Luther or some other Reformed source). :rolleyes: Duplicitous much?
 

FollowerofShiloh

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Yeah...funny how that works. I'm damned if I do (i.e. offer biblical texts as proof) and damned if I don't (because then I'm just relying on my opinion based on John Calvin, or Martin Luther or some other Reformed source). :rolleyes: Duplicitous much?
We have 100+ pages of this threads history to verify you by.
 

Rufus

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We have 100+ pages of this threads history to verify you by.

Yeah...so says this thread's Duplicitous Fact Checker. :rolleyes:

By the way, you still haven't answered my question in 4660. Did a cat eat your tongue? :coffee: